Look, I totally agree Spurs have had an awful season and should count themselves lucky to get European Football next season, but how do Uefa come up with their qualifying justification.
Arsenal ( lucky as usual ) play three matches of any significance ( Sheff Utd, Man City and Chelsea ) and are rewarded with immediate entry straight into the group stage without breaking sweat.
Spurs on the other hand achieve qualifying over a grueling 38 games, only for Uefa to say, sorry lads, but you have to play three sudden death one match rounds, over a 16 day period btw, just to get to where your colleagues Arsenal are without having to kick a ball.
Absolute joke. Surely anyone will agree, qualifying over a 38 game period should be ranked higher than over only 3 games.
Uafa qualifying joke
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To be honest if the season, which includes European competitions, has not finished yet, then Werner should be nowhere near Chelsea until the season has officially finished.
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Thank you Sandy I can't believe that anybody would argue differently.
It also makes me wonder about Werners character. I'm sure most players would want to finish their cl adventure with Leipzig before leaving.
As I said last night cl qf don't come around very often for clubs like them and their fans must be livid with the owners for not insisting that he stayed until their season was over.
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Unfortunately, as has been shown in this thread, your argument doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
RB Liepzig are under no obligation to play any particular player in any given match. They have a squad to choose from and should be allowed to choose from that squad. If Werner was still at Liepzig they would be completely in their right to not play him for any reason whatsoever and this wouldn't ruin the integrity of the competition any more than selling him would.
Variants of this debate come up relatively frequently; often when managers moan that a different club has played a "weakened team" against a rival. The manager is allowed to play any permutation of registered players that they want.
If we accept that changing a team doesn't ruin the integrity of a competition then we have to accept that changing a team through a transfer doesnt ruin the integrity of a competition.
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If the competition had been played to its original schedule Werner would have been available for selection until Leipzig were finished.
Therefore it is not the same competition as he has been allowed to leave. I bet Atletico can't believe their luck.
No problem with him leaving but he should have honoured the whole of the 19/20 season first.
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Yes available for selection. That isn't the same as being selected. If the competition had gone on as scheduled and Werner went through a horrible patch of form and Liepzig decided to drop him, would that also ruin the integrity of the competition? After all, the end result is the same.
How about red cards and suspensions? Does that ruin the integrity of the competition? What if Werner had received a red card in the last minute of the previous game. Does that ruin the integrity of the competition because it makes it easier for the team they draw next?
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He was very much Leipzigs top boy at the point of sale but of course he could of got injured, suspended or lost his form.
However if any of these things occurred it should of been as a Leipzig player until their cl campaign finishes.
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What difference does it make?
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To be honest if the season, which includes European competitions, has not finished yet, then Werner should be nowhere near Chelsea until the season has officially finished.
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Thank you Sandy I can't believe that anybody would argue differently.
It also makes me wonder about Werners character. I'm sure most players would want to finish their cl adventure with Leipzig before leaving.
As I said last night cl qf don't come around very often for clubs like them and their fans must be livid with the owners for not insisting that he stayed until their season was over.
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Unfortunately, as has been shown in this thread, your argument doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
RB Liepzig are under no obligation to play any particular player in any given match. They have a squad to choose from and should be allowed to choose from that squad. If Werner was still at Liepzig they would be completely in their right to not play him for any reason whatsoever and this wouldn't ruin the integrity of the competition any more than selling him would.
Variants of this debate come up relatively frequently; often when managers moan that a different club has played a "weakened team" against a rival. The manager is allowed to play any permutation of registered players that they want.
If we accept that changing a team doesn't ruin the integrity of a competition then we have to accept that changing a team through a transfer doesnt ruin the integrity of a competition.
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If the competition had been played to its original schedule Werner would have been available for selection until Leipzig were finished.
Therefore it is not the same competition as he has been allowed to leave. I bet Atletico can't believe their luck.
No problem with him leaving but he should have honoured the whole of the 19/20 season first.
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Yes available for selection. That isn't the same as being selected. If the competition had gone on as scheduled and Werner went through a horrible patch of form and Liepzig decided to drop him, would that also ruin the integrity of the competition? After all, the end result is the same.
How about red cards and suspensions? Does that ruin the integrity of the competition? What if Werner had received a red card in the last minute of the previous game. Does that ruin the integrity of the competition because it makes it easier for the team they draw next?
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He was very much Leipzigs top boy at the point of sale but of course he could of got injured, suspended or lost his form.
However if any of these things occurred it should of been as a Leipzig player until their cl campaign finishes.
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What difference does it make?
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I'm sure Atletico Madrid are delighted he's gone.
It could make a big difference to the outcome of that tie and hence the competition as a whole.
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To be honest if the season, which includes European competitions, has not finished yet, then Werner should be nowhere near Chelsea until the season has officially finished.
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Thank you Sandy I can't believe that anybody would argue differently.
It also makes me wonder about Werners character. I'm sure most players would want to finish their cl adventure with Leipzig before leaving.
As I said last night cl qf don't come around very often for clubs like them and their fans must be livid with the owners for not insisting that he stayed until their season was over.
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Unfortunately, as has been shown in this thread, your argument doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
RB Liepzig are under no obligation to play any particular player in any given match. They have a squad to choose from and should be allowed to choose from that squad. If Werner was still at Liepzig they would be completely in their right to not play him for any reason whatsoever and this wouldn't ruin the integrity of the competition any more than selling him would.
Variants of this debate come up relatively frequently; often when managers moan that a different club has played a "weakened team" against a rival. The manager is allowed to play any permutation of registered players that they want.
If we accept that changing a team doesn't ruin the integrity of a competition then we have to accept that changing a team through a transfer doesnt ruin the integrity of a competition.
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If the competition had been played to its original schedule Werner would have been available for selection until Leipzig were finished.
Therefore it is not the same competition as he has been allowed to leave. I bet Atletico can't believe their luck.
No problem with him leaving but he should have honoured the whole of the 19/20 season first.
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Yes available for selection. That isn't the same as being selected. If the competition had gone on as scheduled and Werner went through a horrible patch of form and Liepzig decided to drop him, would that also ruin the integrity of the competition? After all, the end result is the same.
How about red cards and suspensions? Does that ruin the integrity of the competition? What if Werner had received a red card in the last minute of the previous game. Does that ruin the integrity of the competition because it makes it easier for the team they draw next?
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He was very much Leipzigs top boy at the point of sale but of course he could of got injured, suspended or lost his form.
However if any of these things occurred it should of been as a Leipzig player until their cl campaign finishes.
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What difference does it make?
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I'm sure Atletico Madrid are delighted he's gone.
It could make a big difference to the outcome of that tie and hence the competition as a whole.
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It could but that's an unproveable hypothetical. Atletico might win the tie if Werner had played, in which case him not playing has 0 negative effect.
Similarly, Liepzig might win the tie now. In which case Werner not playing has 0 negative effect.
It goes back to having a squad. Teams have squads so that they can rotate where needed. It was Liepzog's choice to sell Werner, just like it would have been their choice to rest him or drop him.
The only way in which you could argue it affecting the integrity is if you don't believe managers should be allowed to choose anyone from their squad to play. If you think that managers should have that choice then it makes no difference.
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If the competition had been played to its original schedule Werner would have been available for selection until Leipzig were finished.
Therefore it is not the same competition as he has been allowed to leave. I bet Atletico can't believe their luck.
No problem with him leaving but he should have honoured the whole of the 19/20 season first.
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So if he had remained at Leipzig, but the club decided they won't play him anymore in order not to risk injury and jeopardise the potential lucrative deal with Chelsea, would you be happy with that?
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I don't know about happy but I would be more accepting of it than the current situation.
He should be a Leipzig player until the end of this season but its up to them whether they select him.
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So you have no problem if he had left Leipzig in January, but you don't want him to leave in July?
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If the competition had been played to its original schedule Werner would have been available for selection until Leipzig were finished.
Therefore it is not the same competition as he has been allowed to leave. I bet Atletico can't believe their luck.
No problem with him leaving but he should have honoured the whole of the 19/20 season first.
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So if he had remained at Leipzig, but the club decided they won't play him anymore in order not to risk injury and jeopardise the potential lucrative deal with Chelsea, would you be happy with that?
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I don't know about happy but I would be more accepting of it than the current situation.
He should be a Leipzig player until the end of this season but its up to them whether they select him.
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So you have no problem if he had left Leipzig in January, but you don't want him to leave in July?
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As long as he was a Leipzig player on Feb 1st then he should of been their player until their season was over.
I really don't think thats an unreasonable request.
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If the competition had been played to its original schedule Werner would have been available for selection until Leipzig were finished.
Therefore it is not the same competition as he has been allowed to leave. I bet Atletico can't believe their luck.
No problem with him leaving but he should have honoured the whole of the 19/20 season first.
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So if he had remained at Leipzig, but the club decided they won't play him anymore in order not to risk injury and jeopardise the potential lucrative deal with Chelsea, would you be happy with that?
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I don't know about happy but I would be more accepting of it than the current situation.
He should be a Leipzig player until the end of this season but its up to them whether they select him.
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So you have no problem if he had left Leipzig in January, but you don't want him to leave in July?
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As long as he was a Leipzig player on Feb 1st then he should of been their player until their season was over.
I really don't think thats an unreasonable request.
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So you would have had no problem if he had left in January?
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If the competition had been played to its original schedule Werner would have been available for selection until Leipzig were finished.
Therefore it is not the same competition as he has been allowed to leave. I bet Atletico can't believe their luck.
No problem with him leaving but he should have honoured the whole of the 19/20 season first.
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So if he had remained at Leipzig, but the club decided they won't play him anymore in order not to risk injury and jeopardise the potential lucrative deal with Chelsea, would you be happy with that?
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I don't know about happy but I would be more accepting of it than the current situation.
He should be a Leipzig player until the end of this season but its up to them whether they select him.
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So you have no problem if he had left Leipzig in January, but you don't want him to leave in July?
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As long as he was a Leipzig player on Feb 1st then he should of been their player until their season was over.
I really don't think thats an unreasonable request.
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So you would have had no problem if he had left in January?
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None at all.
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If the competition had been played to its original schedule Werner would have been available for selection until Leipzig were finished.
Therefore it is not the same competition as he has been allowed to leave. I bet Atletico can't believe their luck.
No problem with him leaving but he should have honoured the whole of the 19/20 season first.
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So if he had remained at Leipzig, but the club decided they won't play him anymore in order not to risk injury and jeopardise the potential lucrative deal with Chelsea, would you be happy with that?
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I don't know about happy but I would be more accepting of it than the current situation.
He should be a Leipzig player until the end of this season but its up to them whether they select him.
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So you have no problem if he had left Leipzig in January, but you don't want him to leave in July?
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As long as he was a Leipzig player on Feb 1st then he should of been their player until their season was over.
I really don't think thats an unreasonable request.
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Absolutely, the joke is the supporters on here saying what Werner is doing is fine, would be beside themselves with rage if their best player went and sat in the stand of another club, whilst they were very much still in contention for the CL.
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If the competition had been played to its original schedule Werner would have been available for selection until Leipzig were finished.
Therefore it is not the same competition as he has been allowed to leave. I bet Atletico can't believe their luck.
No problem with him leaving but he should have honoured the whole of the 19/20 season first.
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So if he had remained at Leipzig, but the club decided they won't play him anymore in order not to risk injury and jeopardise the potential lucrative deal with Chelsea, would you be happy with that?
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I don't know about happy but I would be more accepting of it than the current situation.
He should be a Leipzig player until the end of this season but its up to them whether they select him.
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So you have no problem if he had left Leipzig in January, but you don't want him to leave in July?
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As long as he was a Leipzig player on Feb 1st then he should of been their player until their season was over.
I really don't think thats an unreasonable request.
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Absolutely, the joke is the supporters on here saying what Werner is doing is fine, would be beside themselves with rage if their best player went and sat in the stand of another club, whilst they were very much still in contention for the CL.
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As I've mentioned in earlier comments Sandy you have to wonder about the character of a man who walks away from a cl qf against Atletico.
I'm sure Chelsea would have fully understood him wanting to see the job through with Leipzig before joining them. Its not as if he didn't have plenty of suitors and had to grab any offer he received.
Strange business.
posted on 3/8/20
Maybe he’s only going there for the medical before joining Spurs