55 staff made redundant

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 minutes ago
Jenius99 (U4918)

I think it's when I know more about the future or when it becomes unviable.
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Indeed and our entire discussion is that the redundancies are only because of covid. Information has been released since then that suggests this is not true. Sven Mislintat our previous chief scout suggested he first wanted the changes last year. But our dof said no because sven was being replaced by Edu. Now it seems that Edu feels the same so restructuring is taking place. This has been coming but Covid has excipated the situation .
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Yes, but Arsenal have been very clear that this is a result of COVID, so we have to judge them based on that.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 minutes ago
Jenius99 (U4918)

I think it's when I know more about the future or when it becomes unviable.
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Indeed and our entire discussion is that the redundancies are only because of covid. Information has been released since then that suggests this is not true. Sven Mislintat our previous chief scout suggested he first wanted the changes last year. But our dof said no because sven was being replaced by Edu. Now it seems that Edu feels the same so restructuring is taking place. This has been coming but Covid has excipated the situation .
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Yes, but Arsenal have been very clear that this is a result of COVID, so we have to judge them based on that.
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Clever? Its been nothing but bad press.

Where did I say clever?

Why is anybody defending billionaires doing all they can to keep every bit of the cash they've already got. At the expense of 1000s of normal income people?

Instead of focusing on the BS excuses big business is teaming with over this. Why are people not focused on all the money these men and women actually personally have? Because it could save an awful lot of jobs and lives. Stop letting them con you into believing it has to be this way.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Where did I say clever?
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Clever by Arsenal to use Covid as an excuse without explaining the context. That came later but too late for anyone to pick up or care because they had already lost the narrative.

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 day, 4 hours ago
Looking at this from a wider perspective, why are Arsenal being singled out as a separate entity? A lot of people have and will lose their jobs during the current situation, and a lot of jobs at companies that have very rich owners, will be lost. Should the criticism aimed towards Arsenal be aimed at all employers who are cutting jobs? I ask this of the poster You can’t buy class, who brings an emotional debate to the table, mentioning something as severe as possible suicides, I imagine doing so just to try and elicit the extreme but possible effect that this kind of thing can have on people’s lives. It is an emotive but valid point, so how far should we be expected to take such a point? For me, that kind of point is far bigger than being critical of any individual company (regardless of whether that company is a football club or not).
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As Jenius said, I think your post was well-balanced so fair play to you, with regards to your question above, I think you have to look at each case on its individual merits. Many businesses really cannot afford to continue without restructuring or making redundancies, that's a fact, many would go out of business. Arsenal however would not - therefore there is a decision, there can be a decision and there has been a decision made on the timing, sure, there is never a great time to make someone redundant but there are surely really bad (or the worst) times to do so, aka right now. Whatever your position is at the club, whether you are a first team player, middle-office management or catering staff, I would expect all of them to be treated with the dignity and class that represent the values we believe in and expect to see from Arsenal as fans.
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 day, 3 hours ago
Try to keep insults out of it. Its a bit of ironic moniker anyway. I don't consider myself a genius at all.

Its not about being heartless. Its life. A lot of people are losing their jobs because the economics do not support their employment. Do you want them to terminate their employment now when they could find other jobs or do you want them to do it just before Christmas? I also doubt very much that they are very low grade as those jobs usually don't go in restructuring and the numbers don't support it. I suspect they are middle to upper tier management. However irrespective the cold facts are this happens in all companies and all sectors when the economy takes a downturn. Why should those people be protected while the cook down your local chippie is not?

As I showed you on the employee figures Arsenal are top heavy and club is under performing both commercially and on the football side. The number of job losses are pretty minimal.

And as for the players. They got 5% back for qualifying for Europe. Did they forgo that because they were sticking up for the those fired? Did Aubameyang give the club a discount. The salary cut they and all the executives took (btw they took a bigger cut) were to save the club as a whole. The club didn't furlough staff. The club didn't borrow from the Bank of England and endanger the other 1070 staff who still have a job.
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You've misunderstood me mate, it was never intended to be an insult, just an ironic joke based on the context of this discussion and your opinions on it which I've found surprising coming from you, a poster who I often agree with and if not totally agree - usually I can understand the thought-process/logic to what you are saying and see some sense to it. I knew from the first time I saw your display name on this site that it was exactly that, an ironic moniker as you say and I enjoyed the comedy of it Of course, if I really ever thought that was an accidental misspelling then I would have mentioned it long ago and one'd have to be pretty thick to think that in the first place.

Apologies if my post was a bit aggressive with the line of questioning but I wanted to try and push the human/emotional side into your thought process because I felt like you were ignoring that entirely.

From a purely business perspective of course you can raise an argument that these changes are necessary and there's never a good time for it but as I wrote above, there's also a really really bad time for it and that's right now, at the bottom of the economic barrel with millions being plunged into unemployment. If a business can comfortably afford to delay this restructuring a little; and that's a business which supposedly prides itself on strong ethical and moral values, doing things the right way and staying classy, then I absolutely thing they should do that. Job losses are part of life, it's life, sure, but there's more to life than someone with 8 billion+ net wealth who's just made profits of £323 million during the last 4-5 months saving himself a few pennies right now.

And from a business perspective, anything that reflects badly on the club in the media can also become very bad business when it comes to convincing players to join us or negotiation/renegotiation of current/future sponsorship deals.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 9 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Where did I say clever?
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Clever by Arsenal to use Covid as an excuse without explaining the context. That came later but too late for anyone to pick up or care because they had already lost the narrative.
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Sorry, I’m confused... I never called it clever?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 9 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Where did I say clever?
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Clever by Arsenal to use Covid as an excuse without explaining the context. That came later but too late for anyone to pick up or care because they had already lost the narrative.
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Sorry, I’m confused... I never called it clever?
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Sorry there isn't a sarcasm font. I was actually being critical of their PR department.

Ah okay, apologies for not understanding.

Would love a sarcasm font!