Bojo and chums do it again.
Trump stuff all over
At last they admitted that their communications have been complex and confusing. Only took them 6 months then.
Moonshot Moonhowlers
posted on 10/9/20
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 11 minutes ago
Silver-nothing is perfect, unfortunately. Erring on the side of caution isn’t such a bad thing though. Is it?
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Exactly what I am doing, mate. Background is electronics. The software will work fine. The hardware based on bluetooth RSSI, I am highly sceptical.
DYOR but I'll let others test the false positives and negatives out.
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Why do I now picture you like The Omega Man?!
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Omega? He wouldnt soil his wrist with that muck.
posted on 10/9/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
And fook the ridiculous notion of stop-go-stop nonsense on the basis of these untrustworthy tests.
Base on what’s actually happening. Hospitalisations and deaths down and very manageable.
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Mmmm. Interesting. So, if you think this is 'very manageable' why do you think both the UK and Scottish governments have imposed more stringent measures?
posted on 10/9/20
comment by Magnum. (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 11 minutes ago
Silver-nothing is perfect, unfortunately. Erring on the side of caution isn’t such a bad thing though. Is it?
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Exactly what I am doing, mate. Background is electronics. The software will work fine. The hardware based on bluetooth RSSI, I am highly sceptical.
DYOR but I'll let others test the false positives and negatives out.
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Why do I now picture you like The Omega Man?!
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Omega? He wouldnt soil his wrist with that muck.
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Indeed. I've soiled my wrists with lots of muck in my time (sic) but never something so vulgar.
Spent some time, too long in fact - a splendid afternoon, with old Mr Vincent in Hamilton. Unfortunately retired but prepared to provide a history of watch making and servicing as part of my purchase. He was a real gem of the old school and quite open about what was a reliable watch and what was not, who made movements for whom and who was ripping the pash with their prices for what was inside.
Anyway, prefer the svelte and functional over the trend for bigger is better and bought something German.
posted on 10/9/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 11 minutes ago
Silver-nothing is perfect, unfortunately. Erring on the side of caution isn’t such a bad thing though. Is it?
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Exactly what I am doing, mate. Background is electronics. The software will work fine. The hardware based on bluetooth RSSI, I am highly sceptical.
DYOR but I'll let others test the false positives and negatives out.
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Why do I now picture you like The Omega Man?!
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Omega? He wouldnt soil his wrist with that muck.
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Indeed. I've soiled my wrists with lots of muck in my time (sic) but never something so vulgar.
Spent some time, too long in fact - a splendid afternoon, with old Mr Vincent in Hamilton. Unfortunately retired but prepared to provide a history of watch making and servicing as part of my purchase. He was a real gem of the old school and quite open about what was a reliable watch and what was not, who made movements for whom and who was ripping the pash with their prices for what was inside.
Anyway, prefer the svelte and functional over the trend for bigger is better and bought something German.
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Mind Curly used to go on about his watch cabinet
posted on 10/9/20
I don't need 14 dials and 100 atmospheres for the kind of diving I have in mind.
posted on 10/9/20
comment by Magnum. (U22391)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
Silver-nothing is perfect, unfortunately. Erring on the side of caution isn’t such a bad thing though. Is it?
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Exactly what I am doing, mate. Background is electronics. The software will work fine. The hardware based on bluetooth RSSI, I am highly sceptical.
DYOR but I'll let others test the false positives and negatives out.
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Do you mean in relation to its ability to accurately identify two devices in proximity?
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The ID bit is easy. It is the actual proximity that is very hard. Lots of assumptions and averaging needed. Transmission & reception can be both amplified and attenuated by the environment of, and external to the devices.
It is 'just' radio waves but bluetooth operates on the unregulated, catch all frequency band of 2.4-2.48GHz along with routers, some remotes, cordless phones, baby monitors, garage openers, other bluetooth - loads of junk. Why so precise? Well, your microwave kicks in at 2.5GHz! Not to mention some cellular carrier frequencies clustered around. Messy.
I'm not close enough to know how good they've got it but back when they were first talking about it several respected agencies rubbished the accuracy that could ever be delivered by an infinite number of environments and a plethora of different mobile devices.
It will work of a sort. False negatives, well we won't really know? False positives ditto - right now you need symptoms to have a test after being traced - at least that what they say? Maybe more than one if that then gives a false positive? We do need to get the capacity to multiple test every traced contact, symptoms or not, else too many will be off school / work / losing money / hurting economy.
posted on 11/9/20
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 10 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
And fook the ridiculous notion of stop-go-stop nonsense on the basis of these untrustworthy tests.
Base on what’s actually happening. Hospitalisations and deaths down and very manageable.
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Mmmm. Interesting. So, if you think this is 'very manageable' why do you think both the UK and Scottish governments have imposed more stringent measures?
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Because there as clueless as the next man?
posted on 11/9/20
* they’re
posted on 11/9/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. (U22391)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
Silver-nothing is perfect, unfortunately. Erring on the side of caution isn’t such a bad thing though. Is it?
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Exactly what I am doing, mate. Background is electronics. The software will work fine. The hardware based on bluetooth RSSI, I am highly sceptical.
DYOR but I'll let others test the false positives and negatives out.
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Do you mean in relation to its ability to accurately identify two devices in proximity?
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The ID bit is easy. It is the actual proximity that is very hard. Lots of assumptions and averaging needed. Transmission & reception can be both amplified and attenuated by the environment of, and external to the devices.
It is 'just' radio waves but bluetooth operates on the unregulated, catch all frequency band of 2.4-2.48GHz along with routers, some remotes, cordless phones, baby monitors, garage openers, other bluetooth - loads of junk. Why so precise? Well, your microwave kicks in at 2.5GHz! Not to mention some cellular carrier frequencies clustered around. Messy.
I'm not close enough to know how good they've got it but back when they were first talking about it several respected agencies rubbished the accuracy that could ever be delivered by an infinite number of environments and a plethora of different mobile devices.
It will work of a sort. False negatives, well we won't really know? False positives ditto - right now you need symptoms to have a test after being traced - at least that what they say? Maybe more than one if that then gives a false positive? We do need to get the capacity to multiple test every traced contact, symptoms or not, else too many will be off school / work / losing money / hurting economy.
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Cheers mate.
That's what I thought. Its guaging the proximity that would seem to be the issue to me. I'm sure its accurate up to a point but multiple factors would seem to effect it.
posted on 11/9/20
It would be so much easier to take all this if we had any real accuracy in the bloody tests. False positives; false negatives; positives based on a virus dead cells.
People having their civil liberties crushed at the whim of a chosen few in each government with zero discussion at either parliament for at least some scrutiny or questioning.
We’ve been getting so terrified and bossed around we now in the majority actually welcome it and want more.
Rules of 6 ffs but get back to work and start using public transport?
2.8 million people on an NHS waiting list?
Trying to save a quarter of the deaths that will be caused by cancer with absolutely zero indication of any assurances?
Not a “Save the NHS” any longer but now a “prevent a second wave regardless of the cost”, again with zero indication of any assurances. What next summer? Release a bit and lockdown again come September if there’s no vaccine; which a significant proportion will refuse to take anyway as they don’t want to be the guinea pigs?
Covid Marshalls to boss us around in the streets? Busy bods jobsworths with no power but to threaten to call the police?
A curfew next? Oh yes, can see that.
Hospitality closed down again in pubs and restaurants? Why not? Loads of people “meet” there.
Sporting events on a tv with no sound?
Fwcking lunacy in its purest form and all decided by a handful of individuals with no scrutiny or questioning.