but is it any worse than any of the other so called big teams in the Prem?
Spurs have conceeded 1 goal against Everton
2 goals against Southampton, but scored five
1 goal against Newcastle (last kick of the game)
1 goal against Manchester United, but scored six
3 goals against West Ham in the last eight minutes, which will never probably be repeated in the next 50 years or so. And still didn`t lose the game.
So is Spurs defence really that bad, or is it something that supporters are just jumping on every time Spurs let in a goal. OK, it would be nice to keep the odd clean sheet, but Spurs are scoring so many goals, that does not really matter that much. What Spurs need to do is just put games completely beyond the opposition, give them no way back in.
Take the game against West Ham, if Kane`s shot had gone in to make it 4-0, with 15 minutes left, I doubt anybody would have been talking about the defence. The more I think about that West Ham game, the more I realise it was a once in 20/30 years fluke result, so cannot really blame the defence too much for that.
I think far, far too much is made of the defence, when 80 per cent, maybe more defences in the division are worse. Just the two late goals conceeded are like clouding opinions a bit, and the defence does seem to have become an easy target with a lot of our supporters.
A lot is made about Spurs defence,
posted on 26/10/20
There’s always an excuse, title winners find ways to win despite the excuses, Spurs find ways to shoot ourselves in the foot (Newcastle aside as that penalty was utter disgrace)
posted on 26/10/20
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 58 minutes ago
I don't think it is unreasonable for us to question our defending. After all, it's being going on longer than just this season.
But, when you take into account various things, it does appear Spurs defending might not be as bad as rival supporters and, of course, the media,like to make out at every opportunity.
Southampton - one goal under the now apparently obsolete handball rules.
Newcastle - one goal for the same rule
Man Utd - sorry, but every team that plays Utd conceeds a penalty, so I don't count that goal.
West Ham. Agree this was an every 50 years freak. Goals were conceded agreed, but still a freak that won't happen again for years.
Lokomotiv Plod - Goal conceded was a worldy. Nobody's defensive error
Shkendija - Another worldy - nobody's fault.
Maccabi Haifa - one goal was a worldy. Nobody's fault
So, in a season were we have seen 7 past Liverpool, 6 past Utd and many other high scoring freakish results, in our case, that leaves genuine goals conceded as follows:
Everton - 1
Southampton - 1
Chelsea - 1
Maccabi - 1
Wesy Ham - 3
.
So, a total of 7 conceded from open play in 10 games. The exact same as Liverpool conceded in just one game.
That does not read badly compared with others, who don't get anywhere near the criticism we do.
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Good analysis, although it’s not 7 goals in 10 games from open play, it’s only 4 - the Everton goal was a set piece, and 2 of the West Ham ones too
posted on 26/10/20
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 hour ago
I don't think it is unreasonable for us to question our defending. After all, it's being going on longer than just this season.
But, when you take into account various things, it does appear Spurs defending might not be as bad as rival supporters and, of course, the media,like to make out at every opportunity.
Southampton - one goal under the now apparently obsolete handball rules.
Newcastle - one goal for the same rule
Man Utd - sorry, but every team that plays Utd conceeds a penalty, so I don't count that goal.
West Ham. Agree this was an every 50 years freak. Goals were conceded agreed, but still a freak that won't happen again for years.
Lokomotiv Plod - Goal conceded was a worldy. Nobody's defensive error
Shkendija - Another worldy - nobody's fault.
Maccabi Haifa - one goal was a worldy. Nobody's fault
So, in a season were we have seen 7 past Liverpool, 6 past Utd and many other high scoring freakish results, in our case, that leaves genuine goals conceded as follows:
Everton - 1
Southampton - 1
Chelsea - 1
Maccabi - 1
Wesy Ham - 3
.
So, a total of 7 conceded from open play in 10 games. The exact same as Liverpool conceded in just one game.
That does not read badly compared with others, who don't get anywhere near the criticism we do.
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Amusingly most of the criticism comes from our own fans.
posted on 26/10/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 hour ago
I don't think it is unreasonable for us to question our defending. After all, it's being going on longer than just this season.
But, when you take into account various things, it does appear Spurs defending might not be as bad as rival supporters and, of course, the media,like to make out at every opportunity.
Southampton - one goal under the now apparently obsolete handball rules.
Newcastle - one goal for the same rule
Man Utd - sorry, but every team that plays Utd conceeds a penalty, so I don't count that goal.
West Ham. Agree this was an every 50 years freak. Goals were conceded agreed, but still a freak that won't happen again for years.
Lokomotiv Plod - Goal conceded was a worldy. Nobody's defensive error
Shkendija - Another worldy - nobody's fault.
Maccabi Haifa - one goal was a worldy. Nobody's fault
So, in a season were we have seen 7 past Liverpool, 6 past Utd and many other high scoring freakish results, in our case, that leaves genuine goals conceded as follows:
Everton - 1
Southampton - 1
Chelsea - 1
Maccabi - 1
Wesy Ham - 3
.
So, a total of 7 conceded from open play in 10 games. The exact same as Liverpool conceded in just one game.
That does not read badly compared with others, who don't get anywhere near the criticism we do.
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Amusingly most of the criticism comes from our own fans.
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I agree we aren’t as bad as we are made out, but I think some of the criticism of our defence is warranted. We make for too many errors and it’s been going on for years, especially in the big away games, at times it was almost guaranteed we would make a stupid error to gift a goal, usually early on too. Just look at the CL final as a classic example, what true spurs fan was actually shocked at that start??
posted on 26/10/20
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 hour ago
I don't think it is unreasonable for us to question our defending. After all, it's being going on longer than just this season.
But, when you take into account various things, it does appear Spurs defending might not be as bad as rival supporters and, of course, the media,like to make out at every opportunity.
Southampton - one goal under the now apparently obsolete handball rules.
Newcastle - one goal for the same rule
Man Utd - sorry, but every team that plays Utd conceeds a penalty, so I don't count that goal.
West Ham. Agree this was an every 50 years freak. Goals were conceded agreed, but still a freak that won't happen again for years.
Lokomotiv Plod - Goal conceded was a worldy. Nobody's defensive error
Shkendija - Another worldy - nobody's fault.
Maccabi Haifa - one goal was a worldy. Nobody's fault
So, in a season were we have seen 7 past Liverpool, 6 past Utd and many other high scoring freakish results, in our case, that leaves genuine goals conceded as follows:
Everton - 1
Southampton - 1
Chelsea - 1
Maccabi - 1
Wesy Ham - 3
.
So, a total of 7 conceded from open play in 10 games. The exact same as Liverpool conceded in just one game.
That does not read badly compared with others, who don't get anywhere near the criticism we do.
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Amusingly most of the criticism comes from our own fans.
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I agree we aren’t as bad as we are made out, but I think some of the criticism of our defence is warranted. We make for too many errors and it’s been going on for years, especially in the big away games, at times it was almost guaranteed we would make a stupid error to gift a goal, usually early on too. Just look at the CL final as a classic example, what true spurs fan was actually shocked at that start??
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This. Far to many error prone players in the team Sandy, notably Aurier, Sanchez and Dier. Even Winks getting in on the act the other day. The moment we cut out these stupid mistakes, the more confident I’ll be.
posted on 26/10/20
Just look at the CL final as a classic example, what true spurs fan was actually shocked at that start??
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You can't blame the current side's defence for what happened in the CL final 2 years ago?
There is a chink in the defense and I don't think anyone has said otherwise,
It seems many here and just making assumptions about what each other have said and ran with it.
There is a defensive weakness, stems from the fact that we are playing right footed defenders in the left side of CB - where a left sided CB used to play - Verts?
That is the team's weak point but every team has a weak point and it's how we deal with them.
So far the only time, anyone exposed that was through right hand side freekicks whipped in to the left hand side.
The frustrating thing is we had to rotate the defenders due to volume of games in short space of time which has meant no 2 players managed to create a partnership.
Going forward, we need a left sided CB, but so far, the goals have come from dead ball situations.
Almost every side in the league suffers from this dead ball defensive weakness.
posted on 26/10/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 hour ago
I don't think it is unreasonable for us to question our defending. After all, it's being going on longer than just this season.
But, when you take into account various things, it does appear Spurs defending might not be as bad as rival supporters and, of course, the media,like to make out at every opportunity.
Southampton - one goal under the now apparently obsolete handball rules.
Newcastle - one goal for the same rule
Man Utd - sorry, but every team that plays Utd conceeds a penalty, so I don't count that goal.
West Ham. Agree this was an every 50 years freak. Goals were conceded agreed, but still a freak that won't happen again for years.
Lokomotiv Plod - Goal conceded was a worldy. Nobody's defensive error
Shkendija - Another worldy - nobody's fault.
Maccabi Haifa - one goal was a worldy. Nobody's fault
So, in a season were we have seen 7 past Liverpool, 6 past Utd and many other high scoring freakish results, in our case, that leaves genuine goals conceded as follows:
Everton - 1
Southampton - 1
Chelsea - 1
Maccabi - 1
Wesy Ham - 3
.
So, a total of 7 conceded from open play in 10 games. The exact same as Liverpool conceded in just one game.
That does not read badly compared with others, who don't get anywhere near the criticism we do.
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Amusingly most of the criticism comes from our own fans.
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I agree we aren’t as bad as we are made out, but I think some of the criticism of our defence is warranted. We make for too many errors and it’s been going on for years, especially in the big away games, at times it was almost guaranteed we would make a stupid error to gift a goal, usually early on too. Just look at the CL final as a classic example, what true spurs fan was actually shocked at that start??
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This. Far to many error prone players in the team Sandy, notably Aurier, Sanchez and Dier. Even Winks getting in on the act the other day. The moment we cut out these stupid mistakes, the more confident I’ll be.
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Don, Not so much the glaring errors in the actual defending, more the errors leading up to it, like giving away so many unneccesary free-kicks and corners. Winks the other day, was giving away freekicks for fun, within distance of the penalty area.
posted on 26/10/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 hour ago
I don't think it is unreasonable for us to question our defending. After all, it's being going on longer than just this season.
But, when you take into account various things, it does appear Spurs defending might not be as bad as rival supporters and, of course, the media,like to make out at every opportunity.
Southampton - one goal under the now apparently obsolete handball rules.
Newcastle - one goal for the same rule
Man Utd - sorry, but every team that plays Utd conceeds a penalty, so I don't count that goal.
West Ham. Agree this was an every 50 years freak. Goals were conceded agreed, but still a freak that won't happen again for years.
Lokomotiv Plod - Goal conceded was a worldy. Nobody's defensive error
Shkendija - Another worldy - nobody's fault.
Maccabi Haifa - one goal was a worldy. Nobody's fault
So, in a season were we have seen 7 past Liverpool, 6 past Utd and many other high scoring freakish results, in our case, that leaves genuine goals conceded as follows:
Everton - 1
Southampton - 1
Chelsea - 1
Maccabi - 1
Wesy Ham - 3
.
So, a total of 7 conceded from open play in 10 games. The exact same as Liverpool conceded in just one game.
That does not read badly compared with others, who don't get anywhere near the criticism we do.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Amusingly most of the criticism comes from our own fans.
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I agree we aren’t as bad as we are made out, but I think some of the criticism of our defence is warranted. We make for too many errors and it’s been going on for years, especially in the big away games, at times it was almost guaranteed we would make a stupid error to gift a goal, usually early on too. Just look at the CL final as a classic example, what true spurs fan was actually shocked at that start??
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This. Far to many error prone players in the team Sandy, notably Aurier, Sanchez and Dier. Even Winks getting in on the act the other day. The moment we cut out these stupid mistakes, the more confident I’ll be.
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Don, Not so much the glaring errors in the actual defending, more the errors leading up to it, like giving away so many unneccesary free-kicks and corners. Winks the other day, was giving away freekicks for fun, within distance of the penalty area.
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Although that said, it seems even the slightest contact these days is deemed a freekick. Football is definitely becoming a non contact sport. Ridiculous.
posted on 26/10/20
Not just about conceding goals thou is it.... Its how and when.... Brain fart moments and complete collapses.... That's what angers fans.
posted on 27/10/20
Compare:
2016: Walker, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Rose
2020: Doherty, Alderweireld, Sanchez, Davies
Which back four would you rather have?
Walker and Rose that year were streaks ahead of Doherty and Davies.
Alderweireld was a good deal better than he is now.
And Sanchez or the 2016 Jan Vertonghen? Am I joking....is that a choice?
There can be no doubt that our current defense is questionable at best.
Looking over the whole two squads, 2016 and 2020 I think I'd prefer the 2016 squad.
Will the 2020 squad win anything?
It might, I'll give you that.