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Begum loses Supreme Court ruling

Shamima Begum, who left the UK for Syria to join the Islamic State group as a teenager, will not be allowed to return and fight her citizenship case, the Supreme Court has ruled.

The court said in a unanimous ruling that her rights were not breached when she was refused permission to return.

Ms Begum, 21, wants to come back to challenge the home secretary's decision to remove her British nationality.

She is in a camp controlled by armed guards in northern Syria.

Ms Begum was 15 when she and two other east London schoolgirls left the UK and travelled to Syria to join the Islamic State group in February 2015.

Two years ago, the then-Home Secretary Sajid Javid stripped Ms Begum of her citizenship on national security grounds.

Last July, the Court of Appeal ruled that the only fair way forward was to allow her into the UK because she could not effectively appeal against the decision from the camp in northern Syria.

The Home Office subsequently appealed to the Supreme Court to reconsider the Court of Appeal's judgement, arguing that allowing her to return to the UK "would create significant national security risks".

On Friday, Lord Reed, president of the Supreme Court, said the government had been entitled to prevent Ms Begum from returning to the UK.

Announcing the ruling, Lord Reed said: "The Supreme Court unanimously allows all of the home secretary's appeals and dismisses Ms Begum's cross-appeal."

He said the Court of Appeal's judgment had been wrong and failed to take proper account of the home secretary's case.

"It did not give the home secretary's assessment the respect which it should have received, given that it is the home secretary who has been charged by Parliament with responsibility for making such assessments, and who is democratically accountable to Parliament for the discharge of that responsibility," Lord Reed said.

"The Court of Appeal mistakenly believed that, when an individual's right to have a fair hearing... came into conflict with the requirements of national security, her right to a fair hearing must prevail."

He added: "But the right to a fair hearing does not trump all other considerations, such as the safety of the public."

Lord Reed said the appropriate answer was not to force the government to bring Ms Begum back to the UK - but to pause her legal fight over citizenship until she is in a safer position to take part in her appeal.

He added: "That is not a perfect solution, as it is not known how long it may be before that is possible. But there is no perfect solution to a dilemma of the present kind."
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I think that there was a strong belief that she would be given the change to return to the UK to fight the decision. I for one am glad that won't be the case.

posted on 28/2/21

Out prisons have plenty of foreign criminals.,which we find very difficult to send home.

posted on 28/2/21

comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 4 minutes ago
Out prisons have plenty of foreign criminals.,which we find very difficult to send home.
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Are you speaking from experience?

posted on 28/2/21

comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 1 minute ago
Out prisons have plenty of foreign criminals.,which we find very difficult to send home.
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Explain how that's difficult. Commit a crime in a country if you're not a citizen you get deported after completing your sentence. Unless there is an agreement between your country and the country you commuted the crime in.
Lord Black of DoubleCross Harbour tried to serve his sentence in Canada even tho he had been stripped of Canadian citizenship because the parole is quicker than U.S. or U.K. Thank goodness he was denied.

posted on 28/2/21

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 1 minute ago
Out prisons have plenty of foreign criminals.,which we find very difficult to send home.
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Explain how that's difficult. Commit a crime in a country if you're not a citizen you get deported after completing your sentence. Unless there is an agreement between your country and the country you commuted the crime in.
Lord Black of DoubleCross Harbour tried to serve his sentence in Canada even tho he had been stripped of Canadian citizenship because the parole is quicker than U.S. or U.K. Thank goodness he was denied.
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What a load of bollox, we recently tried to deport criminals to Jamaica only for woke celebs and MP's to intervene. It's funny how they don't kick up a fuss when we're deporting white people. One of the pieces of 5hite raped a drunk woman who had fallen asleep on his couch.

posted on 28/2/21

comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 1 minute ago
Out prisons have plenty of foreign criminals.,which we find very difficult to send home.
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Explain how that's difficult. Commit a crime in a country if you're not a citizen you get deported after completing your sentence. Unless there is an agreement between your country and the country you commuted the crime in.
Lord Black of DoubleCross Harbour tried to serve his sentence in Canada even tho he had been stripped of Canadian citizenship because the parole is quicker than U.S. or U.K. Thank goodness he was denied.
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What a load of bollox, we recently tried to deport criminals to Jamaica only for woke celebs and MP's to intervene. It's funny how they don't kick up a fuss when we're deporting white people. One of the pieces of 5hite raped a drunk woman who had fallen asleep on his couch.
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Load of what?
Fek off.

posted on 28/2/21

What a load of bollox, we recently tried to deport criminals to Jamaica only for woke celebs and MP's to intervene. It's funny how they don't kick up a fuss when we're deporting white people. One of the pieces of 5hite raped a drunk woman who had fallen asleep on his couch.
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I would have replied to Quebec,but i thought he was having a giraffe.


posted on 28/2/21

comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 8 minutes ago
What a load of bollox, we recently tried to deport criminals to Jamaica only for woke celebs and MP's to intervene. It's funny how they don't kick up a fuss when we're deporting white people. One of the pieces of 5hite raped a drunk woman who had fallen asleep on his couch.
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I would have replied to Quebec,but i thought he was having a giraffe.



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Really? It happens all the time here. Canadians will often be allowed to serve their time in Canada for crimes committed in the U.S.
Doesn't usually happen the other way because Canada's rules on good behaviour are much better for convicts. A third off just for being in jail. That is why Conrad Black so desperately wanted his citizenship back. He wasn't stripped of it BTW just that Canadians can't accept knighthoods and lordships and remain Canadian.

posted on 28/2/21

In the UK we have an army of lawyers fighting for the foreign prisoners,they mount appeal after appeal to string it out (all on legal aid of course) they get released into the community because its unfair to keep them locked up when they complete their sentence,then they disapear happens over and over,murderers and rapists walking the streets.

posted on 28/2/21

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
On a side issue, has anyone seen an ISIS video? I'm guessing the ones that lured her in aren't all death, main, kill. She liked what she saw... what did she see?
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My understanding is that ultimately a 24 year old nonce convinced a child that she would go to heaven by doing this.
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But in her interview she said she liked what she saw. Surely that was more of a timeshare style vid than the beheadings??

Even so, if she was convinced of something, I find it quite strange that she didn't seem to have a moment of "WTF is this I've got myself into!"
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That's what radicalization is though isn't it. I imagine it was a gradual thing exacerbated and fuelled by Britains quite awful foreign policy.
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It is gradual yes but as I’ve pointed out as others have, at the point of dealing with severed heads people with an ounce of human decency and common sense would realise that they’re involved in something truly evil.

It is very difficult to deal with these things at the beginning because most of the time it’s kept very quiet, hence why most of their families don’t have a clue. I don’t assign blame to her family, I assign blame to the sick people indoctrinating and her for still practising it even when she was an adult.

She has openly said that she saw the Manchester bombings as justified, she wasn’t 15 when she said that on camera.
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I do think their family are partially to blame. If my child joined a cult or some form of criminal gang I’d take some of the blame. I’d like to think I’ve brought up my children to know right from wrong.

posted on 28/2/21

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 8 minutes ago
What a load of bollox, we recently tried to deport criminals to Jamaica only for woke celebs and MP's to intervene. It's funny how they don't kick up a fuss when we're deporting white people. One of the pieces of 5hite raped a drunk woman who had fallen asleep on his couch.
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I would have replied to Quebec,but i thought he was having a giraffe.



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Really? It happens all the time here. Canadians will often be allowed to serve their time in Canada for crimes committed in the U.S.
Doesn't usually happen the other way because Canada's rules on good behaviour are much better for convicts. A third off just for being in jail. That is why Conrad Black so desperately wanted his citizenship back. He wasn't stripped of it BTW just that Canadians can't accept knighthoods and lordships and remain Canadian.
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More fool Canada

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