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YNWA

This is one of the times to remember the importance of support
The players have had a horrible season and at at times have played badly . But they remain good players, many of them look to be exhausted, shot of confidence and probably wishing the season was over . The continued injuries at CB and the formation changes have caught us out and klopps high line has been a huge problem for inexperienced CB partnerships
Looking ahead then winning the CL is our best chance of staying in that competition for next year as top 4 now looks very hard
It’s really disappointing but we have had difficult seasons before . Next year with fans back and key players back will I am sure be very different . As fans yes we should be critical and there are things to challenge ( the subs last night being one of them ) but we need to support the team and remember all the good things that these players and this manager have delivered

posted on 6/3/21

I have to try to believe that certain people on this thread are being deliberately obstinate when it comes to the fact that all clubs have no fans, and all have to deal with the issues that stem from that.

Not like Liverpool are the only team with a strong fanbase. Better fans in the PL, anyway.

posted on 6/3/21

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
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Well what he said matters. Your exceptional record was perfectly in place for a long time whilst no having fans.
Not having fans isn’t the factor that changed so it is irrelevant.

Also I think people took issue with the claim that it affects Liverpool more than most clubs. It’s completely unquantifiable, arrogant to try to claim and still completely irrelevant due to point 1.

Any possible difference is so negligible that it’s akin to Klopp mentioning the wind. It’s just daft and right to be ridiculed.

Other things have changed, fans being in the stadium is not one of them.
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Claiming having no fans as irrelevant is utterly ridiculous. You can argue the extent of the effect, but to dismiss it entirely is mad.


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It can be irrelevant and still have some minuscule difference. A mosquito can bite me but it’s pretty irrelevant to my life.

To continue with the analogy: it’s like having an open head wound, a punctured lung, a broken leg and a mosquito bite. And your suffering in pain and discomfort and after mentioning the first few items for weeks you then start talking about the mosquito bite. That is utterly ridiculous. Not to mention that everyone gets mosquito bites.

Stick to repeating the genuine causes and hold your hands up that the team and the manager are responsible for these losses as I’m sure most Liverpool fans have done. Switching to talking about fans when it’s the same for everyone is just daft mate.
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No one’s denying the other causes. It’s Feckin bizarre how you’re making such a big deal over someone adding a lack of fans as just another contributing factor. It’s not even controversial. Fans make a difference to most teams, i doubt anyone can argue with that. All that’s being suggested is that with our unprecedented injuries it’s maybe affected our players more than those teams that haven’t been hit with anywhere near our injury list. Now you can argue that it shouldn’t affect them and I’d agree, they should be able to cope with it. But to keep stating that it can’t possibly be the case and anyone who thinks so is arrogant, is beyond arrogant itself.
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Some serious mental gymnastics going on here mate.
Each to their own but only a couple of you are in agreement, some Liverpool fans have disagreed and pretty much every non-Liverpool fan disagrees.

It’s a mosquito bite on top of a broken arm, it’s not worth mentioning as some sort of extra to Liverpool.

posted on 6/3/21

Liverpool and Everton are the only clubs in the top half of the table to have actually played in front of their own fans this season.

posted on 6/3/21

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
Well what he said matters. Your exceptional record was perfectly in place for a long time whilst no having fans.
Not having fans isn’t the factor that changed so it is irrelevant.

Also I think people took issue with the claim that it affects Liverpool more than most clubs. It’s completely unquantifiable, arrogant to try to claim and still completely irrelevant due to point 1.

Any possible difference is so negligible that it’s akin to Klopp mentioning the wind. It’s just daft and right to be ridiculed.

Other things have changed, fans being in the stadium is not one of them.
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Claiming having no fans as irrelevant is utterly ridiculous. You can argue the extent of the effect, but to dismiss it entirely is mad.


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It can be irrelevant and still have some minuscule difference. A mosquito can bite me but it’s pretty irrelevant to my life.

To continue with the analogy: it’s like having an open head wound, a punctured lung, a broken leg and a mosquito bite. And your suffering in pain and discomfort and after mentioning the first few items for weeks you then start talking about the mosquito bite. That is utterly ridiculous. Not to mention that everyone gets mosquito bites.

Stick to repeating the genuine causes and hold your hands up that the team and the manager are responsible for these losses as I’m sure most Liverpool fans have done. Switching to talking about fans when it’s the same for everyone is just daft mate.
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No one’s denying the other causes. It’s Feckin bizarre how you’re making such a big deal over someone adding a lack of fans as just another contributing factor. It’s not even controversial. Fans make a difference to most teams, i doubt anyone can argue with that. All that’s being suggested is that with our unprecedented injuries it’s maybe affected our players more than those teams that haven’t been hit with anywhere near our injury list. Now you can argue that it shouldn’t affect them and I’d agree, they should be able to cope with it. But to keep stating that it can’t possibly be the case and anyone who thinks so is arrogant, is beyond arrogant itself.
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Some serious mental gymnastics going on here mate.
Each to their own but only a couple of you are in agreement, some Liverpool fans have disagreed and pretty much every non-Liverpool fan disagrees.

It’s a mosquito bite on top of a broken arm, it’s not worth mentioning as some sort of extra to Liverpool.
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Mental gymnastics? It’s pretty basic stuff really, you’re the one that’s adding your own narrative to it.

posted on 6/3/21

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t ’correlation’ just mean to have a connection or something like that? Again, no suggestion that it’s the deciding factor.

That’s 2 out of 2 for my typical JA analysis.
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if you're not entirely sure what the word "correlation" means, you should probably limit how much "analysis" you post on here.

but yeah, you chatting sh!t - the absence of pool fans means more - and being called out on it certainly proves your point.
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“Correlation does not imply causation”

I hope you don’t rely on your analysis to make a living
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Eh?
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Google the quote mate.

Ultimately Kash summed it up rather well:

“ We were unbeaten at Anfield during the pandemic and the last team to lose there home record in the pandemic. Yes we have great fans but if the players are playing crap because they are not in the ground then they need to look at themselves.

United home record has not been great this season but you don't hear United fans making excuses like this.”
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I genuinely don’t know what you’re going on about. Basically I’ve stated my opinion that having no fans has been one of the factors of our poor form, and somehow, in true JA style this has been turned around to me saying our poor form is down to the fact we’ve had no fans and that this only applies to Liverpool.

I don’t care what Kash has said, he’s entitled to his opinion on it but I think he’s wrong to dismiss this factor entirely.
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Well what he said matters. Your exceptional record was perfectly in place for a long time whilst no having fans.
Not having fans isn’t the factor that changed so it is irrelevant.

Also I think people took issue with the claim that it affects Liverpool more than most clubs. It’s completely unquantifiable, arrogant to try to claim and still completely irrelevant due to point 1.

Any possible difference is so negligible that it’s akin to Klopp mentioning the wind. It’s just daft and right to be ridiculed.

Other things have changed, fans being in the stadium is not one of them.
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When things are going well, you don’t need the crowd as much.

Pretty elementary.
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Not necessarily, the crowd could build confidence and momentum in a match for a team. No fans makes it quite sterile and takes out the emotions both positive & negative.

It’s an embarrassing thing to mention during a short but bad period of form. If anfield were under construction and you had to play with significantly less fans or not fans at all that was exclusive to Liverpool then it’s a valid point. Even then, I’d happily bet that without the injuries and other genuine factors, even without fans you’d be blowing apart the competition yet again other than City perhaps.

It just comes off as really pathetic to even mention it. You’ve been on the most ridiculous run, crazy amount of points, wining the league, winning the CL and when things take a dive to even mention not having fans when every other club also doesn’t have fans is just pathetic for a team & club of your size.
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Sorry but you’re wrong, do you honestly think anfield is the same as somewhere like craven cottage or the etihad ?
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You've obviously never been to either.
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Been to both actually , there aren’t many prem grounds I haven’t been to over the years

posted on 6/3/21

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
Well what he said matters. Your exceptional record was perfectly in place for a long time whilst no having fans.
Not having fans isn’t the factor that changed so it is irrelevant.

Also I think people took issue with the claim that it affects Liverpool more than most clubs. It’s completely unquantifiable, arrogant to try to claim and still completely irrelevant due to point 1.

Any possible difference is so negligible that it’s akin to Klopp mentioning the wind. It’s just daft and right to be ridiculed.

Other things have changed, fans being in the stadium is not one of them.
———————————-
Claiming having no fans as irrelevant is utterly ridiculous. You can argue the extent of the effect, but to dismiss it entirely is mad.


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It can be irrelevant and still have some minuscule difference. A mosquito can bite me but it’s pretty irrelevant to my life.

To continue with the analogy: it’s like having an open head wound, a punctured lung, a broken leg and a mosquito bite. And your suffering in pain and discomfort and after mentioning the first few items for weeks you then start talking about the mosquito bite. That is utterly ridiculous. Not to mention that everyone gets mosquito bites.

Stick to repeating the genuine causes and hold your hands up that the team and the manager are responsible for these losses as I’m sure most Liverpool fans have done. Switching to talking about fans when it’s the same for everyone is just daft mate.
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No one’s denying the other causes. It’s Feckin bizarre how you’re making such a big deal over someone adding a lack of fans as just another contributing factor. It’s not even controversial. Fans make a difference to most teams, i doubt anyone can argue with that. All that’s being suggested is that with our unprecedented injuries it’s maybe affected our players more than those teams that haven’t been hit with anywhere near our injury list. Now you can argue that it shouldn’t affect them and I’d agree, they should be able to cope with it. But to keep stating that it can’t possibly be the case and anyone who thinks so is arrogant, is beyond arrogant itself.
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Some serious mental gymnastics going on here mate.
Each to their own but only a couple of you are in agreement, some Liverpool fans have disagreed and pretty much every non-Liverpool fan disagrees.

It’s a mosquito bite on top of a broken arm, it’s not worth mentioning as some sort of extra to Liverpool.
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I agree with this and that metaphor is a good one. But then lots of rival fans also laugh and claim "excuses" when we mention our broken arm.

posted on 6/3/21

comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
Well what he said matters. Your exceptional record was perfectly in place for a long time whilst no having fans.
Not having fans isn’t the factor that changed so it is irrelevant.

Also I think people took issue with the claim that it affects Liverpool more than most clubs. It’s completely unquantifiable, arrogant to try to claim and still completely irrelevant due to point 1.

Any possible difference is so negligible that it’s akin to Klopp mentioning the wind. It’s just daft and right to be ridiculed.

Other things have changed, fans being in the stadium is not one of them.
———————————-
Claiming having no fans as irrelevant is utterly ridiculous. You can argue the extent of the effect, but to dismiss it entirely is mad.


----------------------------------------------------------------------
It can be irrelevant and still have some minuscule difference. A mosquito can bite me but it’s pretty irrelevant to my life.

To continue with the analogy: it’s like having an open head wound, a punctured lung, a broken leg and a mosquito bite. And your suffering in pain and discomfort and after mentioning the first few items for weeks you then start talking about the mosquito bite. That is utterly ridiculous. Not to mention that everyone gets mosquito bites.

Stick to repeating the genuine causes and hold your hands up that the team and the manager are responsible for these losses as I’m sure most Liverpool fans have done. Switching to talking about fans when it’s the same for everyone is just daft mate.
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No one’s denying the other causes. It’s Feckin bizarre how you’re making such a big deal over someone adding a lack of fans as just another contributing factor. It’s not even controversial. Fans make a difference to most teams, i doubt anyone can argue with that. All that’s being suggested is that with our unprecedented injuries it’s maybe affected our players more than those teams that haven’t been hit with anywhere near our injury list. Now you can argue that it shouldn’t affect them and I’d agree, they should be able to cope with it. But to keep stating that it can’t possibly be the case and anyone who thinks so is arrogant, is beyond arrogant itself.
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Some serious mental gymnastics going on here mate.
Each to their own but only a couple of you are in agreement, some Liverpool fans have disagreed and pretty much every non-Liverpool fan disagrees.

It’s a mosquito bite on top of a broken arm, it’s not worth mentioning as some sort of extra to Liverpool.
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I agree with this and that metaphor is a good one. But then lots of rival fans also laugh and claim "excuses" when we mention our broken arm.
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They do indeed but they’re being daft. The sheer concentration of the injuries being CBCBCBC CBCB is ridiculous and that is the biggest cause, the other causes followed suit leading to where you are now where it’s a confidence/pressure thing.

posted on 6/3/21

Which is when the fans can get behind the team.

posted on 6/3/21

comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 10 minutes ago
Which is when the fans can get behind the team.
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A gnat instead of a mosquito.

posted on 7/3/21

this is closest to the truth in the season when chelsea were tenth after winning the league all our injuries were at center back positions and were playing with obi mikkel and Paulo Ferraira as center backs.
Missing fans is irrelevant as its the same for every team. Last season pool were extremely lucky with injuries but not this year. The premier leagues is usually decided on small marginal differences.

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