How far can we go with a wonderful attack, a fair defence, and a poor midfield.?
The attack will cover many deficiencies elsewhere, as it did yesterday, but maybe not against better teams.
It seems to me that against those we have two choices, pack the midfield and hope to snatch a goal, Ole's preference, or go gung-ho and hope to outscored them.
I don't know how I would manage the midfield, I don't see us getting anyone in until next summer.and I hoped Garner would be ready, but obviously not.
A problem for Ole, especially now hopes have been raised so high, I feel he has to win something to keep his job, or Γ least Γ thrilling fight for the title and good runs in the cup.
My personal solution, or at least to try it, is Lindelof at central midfield.,he at least has some of the attributes, good passer, decent tackler, and he has played midfield. Hopefully it would help stop the opposition running through us so easily. Pair him with McT against the better teams.
It's a conundrum that Ole will have to solve.
Oh and I don't think Lindelof is a long term solution, but may prove better than Fred or Matic.
So the burning question is
posted on 13/9/21
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I have to be a little on Plumpys side. Certainly Bruno has carte blanche to go anywhere as far as I can see.
And having a set way of playing is less important than it is for the defence.
Of course they will be coached but must have more freedom to do their own thing
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Of course they will be coached...
Therefore ends the plump experiment.
π
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Don't have nightmares
π€‘π€‘π€‘
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Het frumpy, United are top of the league, have the GOAT back and Ole in charge. Suck it up bertieβΊοΈπ
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π
Utd Utd Utd
Our attack is sooooo good because of the freedom we afford it. π
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Freedom coached and afforded by OLE.
Ole Ole Ole.
βΊοΈ
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Freedom not to coach. Over coaching can take away that freedom to do "what you wish" in the last 3rd. Ole has learned from SAF afterall
Trust the players to create and score based on their attributes
Coaches like Klopp and Pepp coach to align with their playing style, philosophy. We have none so the emphasis is one of attack and wearing down the opponent
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Ole Ole Ole. Top of the league. Ole Ole Ole
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I have to be a little on Plumpys side. Certainly Bruno has carte blanche to go anywhere as far as I can see.
And having a set way of playing is less important than it is for the defence.
Of course they will be coached but must have more freedom to do their own thing
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Of course they will be coached...
Therefore ends the plump experiment.
π
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Don't have nightmares
π€‘π€‘π€‘
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Het frumpy, United are top of the league, have the GOAT back and Ole in charge. Suck it up bertieβΊοΈπ
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π
Utd Utd Utd
Our attack is sooooo good because of the freedom we afford it. π
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Freedom coached and afforded by OLE.
Ole Ole Ole.
βΊοΈ
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Freedom not to coach. Over coaching can take away that freedom to do "what you wish" in the last 3rd. Ole has learned from SAF afterall
Trust the players to create and score based on their attributes
Coaches like Klopp and Pepp coach to align with their playing style, philosophy. We have none so the emphasis is one of attack and wearing down the opponent
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Ole Ole Ole. Top of the league. Ole Ole Ole
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Freedom not to coach
Dalit ass schooled!
π
Goodnight!
posted on 13/9/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
I have to be a little on Plumpys side. Certainly Bruno has carte blanche to go anywhere as far as I can see.
And having a set way of playing is less important than it is for the defence.
Of course they will be coached but must have more freedom to do their own thing
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The shape and attacking patterns are really important in any formation. Bruno might have a free-ish role, but the other three don't and will be looking to create space or get behind the defence depending on the point of the attack according to the patterns they've worked on. Similarly, when the play's transitioning to defense they have a role to play in channelling the attack through the middle, where we should be more compact. They're absolutely not given a rough position that they're playing in and told to go out and improvise, that's niaive.
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That I agree with post, all the team are coached. The position I'm taking is that flair is more important in attach than defence, and should not be coached out of a player. But in general play of course they have to funnel back when needed, break when needed, make preordained runs, you can't just have headless chickens.
But Greenwood, for example, chooses himself when to cut inside, to shoot or pass.
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 seconds ago
I have to be a little on Plumpys side. Certainly Bruno has carte blanche to go anywhere as far as I can see.
And having a set way of playing is less important than it is for the defence.
Of course they will be coached but must have more freedom to do their own thing
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Of course they will be coached...
Therefore ends the plump experiment.
π
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Don't have nightmares
π€‘π€‘π€‘
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Het frumpy, United are top of the league, have the GOAT back and Ole in charge. Suck it up bertieβΊοΈπ
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π
Utd Utd Utd
Our attack is sooooo good because of the freedom we afford it. π
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Freedom coached and afforded by OLE.
Ole Ole Ole.
βΊοΈ
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Freedom not to coach. Over coaching can take away that freedom to do "what you wish" in the last 3rd. Ole has learned from SAF afterall
Trust the players to create and score based on their attributes
Coaches like Klopp and Pepp coach to align with their playing style, philosophy. We have none so the emphasis is one of attack and wearing down the opponent
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Ole Ole Ole. Top of the league. Ole Ole Ole
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Freedom not to coach
Dalit ass schooled!
π
Goodnight!
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Dont go to sleep. Explain whst dalit means. Im sure the admin would love to know about ur racist views βΊοΈππ
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 seconds ago
I have to be a little on Plumpys side. Certainly Bruno has carte blanche to go anywhere as far as I can see.
And having a set way of playing is less important than it is for the defence.
Of course they will be coached but must have more freedom to do their own thing
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Of course they will be coached...
Therefore ends the plump experiment.
π
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Don't have nightmares
π€‘π€‘π€‘
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Het frumpy, United are top of the league, have the GOAT back and Ole in charge. Suck it up bertieβΊοΈπ
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π
Utd Utd Utd
Our attack is sooooo good because of the freedom we afford it. π
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Freedom coached and afforded by OLE.
Ole Ole Ole.
βΊοΈ
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Freedom not to coach. Over coaching can take away that freedom to do "what you wish" in the last 3rd. Ole has learned from SAF afterall
Trust the players to create and score based on their attributes
Coaches like Klopp and Pepp coach to align with their playing style, philosophy. We have none so the emphasis is one of attack and wearing down the opponent
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Ole Ole Ole. Top of the league. Ole Ole Ole
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Freedom not to coach
Dalit ass schooled!
π
Goodnight!
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Dont go to sleep. Explain whst dalit means. Im sure the admin would love to know about ur racist views βΊοΈππ
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π
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I have to be a little on Plumpys side. Certainly Bruno has carte blanche to go anywhere as far as I can see.
And having a set way of playing is less important than it is for the defence.
Of course they will be coached but must have more freedom to do their own thing
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Of course they will be coached...
Therefore ends the plump experiment.
π
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Don't have nightmares
π€‘π€‘π€‘
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Het frumpy, United are top of the league, have the GOAT back and Ole in charge. Suck it up bertieβΊοΈπ
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π
Utd Utd Utd
Our attack is sooooo good because of the freedom we afford it. π
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Freedom coached and afforded by OLE.
Ole Ole Ole.
βΊοΈ
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Freedom not to coach. Over coaching can take away that freedom to do "what you wish" in the last 3rd. Ole has learned from SAF afterall
Trust the players to create and score based on their attributes
Coaches like Klopp and Pepp coach to align with their playing style, philosophy. We have none so the emphasis is one of attack and wearing down the opponent
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ole Ole Ole. Top of the league. Ole Ole Ole
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Freedom not to coach
Dalit ass schooled!
π
Goodnight!
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Dont go to sleep. Explain whst dalit means. Im sure the admin would love to know about ur racist views βΊοΈππ
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π
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Goodnight. β€οΈ
Sweet dreams, don't have nightmares
π€‘
posted on 13/9/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
I have to be a little on Plumpys side. Certainly Bruno has carte blanche to go anywhere as far as I can see.
And having a set way of playing is less important than it is for the defence.
Of course they will be coached but must have more freedom to do their own thing
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The shape and attacking patterns are really important in any formation. Bruno might have a free-ish role, but the other three don't and will be looking to create space or get behind the defence depending on the point of the attack according to the patterns they've worked on. Similarly, when the play's transitioning to defense they have a role to play in channelling the attack through the middle, where we should be more compact. They're absolutely not given a rough position that they're playing in and told to go out and improvise, that's niaive.
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That I agree with post, all the team are coached. The position I'm taking is that flair is more important in attach than defence, and should not be coached out of a player. But in general play of course they have to funnel back when needed, break when needed, make preordained runs, you can't just have headless chickens.
But Greenwood, for example, chooses himself when to cut inside, to shoot or pass.
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Of course, that's individual decision making, and he seems to be making very good decisions, where in the past perhaps Marcus hasn't. But that's like saying an attacker headed it or tried an overhead kick, blasted it or placed it because he was coached that way, obviously that's a mixture of instinct, ability and experience. What isn't is the shape of the team when we're breaking forward, players will be coached to create space / make runs in certain areas. I think part of our problem is that the 4231 depends on a fast transition to attack when you win the ball in midfield to make best use of the two wide men, and Matic and Fred don't really do that. We look better with McT there as he's braver with his passing, and Pogba's passing is excellent and sharp if he's involved. It's definitely not put a team out and hope for the best, despite Plumpy's protestations.
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 seconds ago
I have to be a little on Plumpys side. Certainly Bruno has carte blanche to go anywhere as far as I can see.
And having a set way of playing is less important than it is for the defence.
Of course they will be coached but must have more freedom to do their own thing
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Of course they will be coached...
Therefore ends the plump experiment.
π
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Don't have nightmares
π€‘π€‘π€‘
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Het frumpy, United are top of the league, have the GOAT back and Ole in charge. Suck it up bertieβΊοΈπ
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π
Utd Utd Utd
Our attack is sooooo good because of the freedom we afford it. π
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Freedom coached and afforded by OLE.
Ole Ole Ole.
βΊοΈ
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Freedom not to coach. Over coaching can take away that freedom to do "what you wish" in the last 3rd. Ole has learned from SAF afterall
Trust the players to create and score based on their attributes
Coaches like Klopp and Pepp coach to align with their playing style, philosophy. We have none so the emphasis is one of attack and wearing down the opponent
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ole Ole Ole. Top of the league. Ole Ole Ole
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Freedom not to coach
Dalit ass schooled!
π
Goodnight!
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Dont go to sleep. Explain whst dalit means. Im sure the admin would love to know about ur racist views βΊοΈππ
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π
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Goodnight. β€οΈ
Sweet dreams, don't have nightmares
π€‘
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No explanation? Why be shy now frumpy?
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 seconds ago
I have to be a little on Plumpys side. Certainly Bruno has carte blanche to go anywhere as far as I can see.
And having a set way of playing is less important than it is for the defence.
Of course they will be coached but must have more freedom to do their own thing
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course they will be coached...
Therefore ends the plump experiment.
π
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Don't have nightmares
π€‘π€‘π€‘
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Het frumpy, United are top of the league, have the GOAT back and Ole in charge. Suck it up bertieβΊοΈπ
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π
Utd Utd Utd
Our attack is sooooo good because of the freedom we afford it. π
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Freedom coached and afforded by OLE.
Ole Ole Ole.
βΊοΈ
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Freedom not to coach. Over coaching can take away that freedom to do "what you wish" in the last 3rd. Ole has learned from SAF afterall
Trust the players to create and score based on their attributes
Coaches like Klopp and Pepp coach to align with their playing style, philosophy. We have none so the emphasis is one of attack and wearing down the opponent
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ole Ole Ole. Top of the league. Ole Ole Ole
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Freedom not to coach
Dalit ass schooled!
π
Goodnight!
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Dont go to sleep. Explain whst dalit means. Im sure the admin would love to know about ur racist views βΊοΈππ
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π
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Goodnight. β€οΈ
Sweet dreams, don't have nightmares
π€‘
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No explanation? Why be shy now frumpy?
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Plumpy the racist. βΊοΈ
Ole βΊοΈ
posted on 13/9/21
Plumpy does seem to want to bring a racist agenda against Cleverson. And I have no idea why why he would want to. Unless Plumpy was an actual racist.
And 52 is being as daft as Plumpy over this one if he is seriously trying to bail him out.