Our entire time under Arteta has been marked by performances similar to today. Sometimes they go our way, sometimes they don't... today it could've gone either way as much as most of our wins can.
If anything we were probably more unlucky due to the sort of refereeing I've not seen since clubs were encouraged by the refs and the media to break our players legs "get up them" "let them know they're in a game" (roughly the 2005-2014 Wenger years). I thought this nonsense was pretty much done with now VAR leaves less room to hide but apparently not.
So aside from the unusually dodgy refereeing today's performance was the same as our performance against United along with pretty much all of our performances under Arteta.
What I don't get is why the rage now?
There's been zero progression from day dot. If you say he improved the defense then you need to balance that out by admitting the attack has been blunted more than our defense has improved.
Sacking Arteta may not solve all of our issues but it solves the biggest one and with our *rivals (our rivals won't be these sides unless a change is made) having taken appropriate action in terms of management it's even more crucial we waste no more time.
Our next 6 games which take us all the way to the start of the Jan window are:
Southampton
West Ham
Leeds
Sunderland
Norwich
Wolves
We will get results in some of these games.
However I urge any supporter to actually watch beyond the score line and see the reality of the terrible football that is the definition of Arteta's management style.
To not to get this dopey mentality when inexplicably we find ourselves hovering around the final CL spot.
To not get suckered into once again believing the most heavily backed manager in the summer is taking us anywhere but boredom and mediocrity.
This is not something new
posted on 7/12/21
True a good manager would make a big difference.
There are rich businessmen / consortiums around that would love to buy Arsenal and would be willing to pump a lot more money in than the Kroenkes. Daniel Ek & Aliko Dangote to name two.
The issue is Stan doesn't want to sell and seems like he's going to dig his heels in even more now after fan unrest instead of doing the right thing and selling the club to someone who actually cares enough to make it their priority, not just one of many sports franchises.
The fact that the Saudis with unlimited funds ended up with Newcastle is absolutely terrifying, surely they would have preferred Arsenal... Seems really damning and tells me that the only way we get a sale is for a real fan movement and our fans in the US protesting outside his ranch etc, getting in his face in the public media in the States.
posted on 7/12/21
comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
True a good manager would make a big difference.
There are rich businessmen / consortiums around that would love to buy Arsenal and would be willing to pump a lot more money in than the Kroenkes. Daniel Ek & Aliko Dangote to name two.
The issue is Stan doesn't want to sell and seems like he's going to dig his heels in even more now after fan unrest instead of doing the right thing and selling the club to someone who actually cares enough to make it their priority, not just one of many sports franchises.
The fact that the Saudis with unlimited funds ended up with Newcastle is absolutely terrifying, surely they would have preferred Arsenal... Seems really damning and tells me that the only way we get a sale is for a real fan movement and our fans in the US protesting outside his ranch etc, getting in his face in the public media in the States.
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Personally I'd be really happy to never have a billionaire pumping in their own money, especially when they're just cash washing the image of their dodgy regime.
Agree that Kroenke sees us as an asset and that's gutting as football clubs deserve to be so much more but even with him at the helm we have the finances to at least compete somewhere close to the top. We're very lucky in that sense and honestly no one can say Kroenke has particular held us back financially over the last few years.
In an ideal world clubs end up being owned by fan groups and run well but sadly that's not happening any time soon
posted on 7/12/21
Pretty certain he’ll get until the summer now , unless things get much worse. They’ll let him have a season with these signings and make a decision. He was backed a fair bit, and if he signs some more in January and still doesn’t improve on 8th I wouldn’t be surprised if he struggles to keep his job. In the summer he’ll have a year left, so you would think they’ll have to either offer him a new deal or sack him at that point. If the club has seen no return on player investment think it’s unlikely they’d give him another deal.
posted on 7/12/21
"There's no doubt they're willing to back a manager."
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Why because they've kept Arteta and given him 150 mil to buy 4 or 5 players with??
They kept him because he's CHEAP and becuase they can take the ps with squad investment even further than they have already. By telling him he has to build a squad of champagne players with beer player money. "Willing to back a manager" in billionaire owner terms is happily giving him 100 mil to buy ONE player if that is what he says he needs for the team. And not some BS 5 yr payment crap either, just bosh there's ya cash give him his player (or with the usual short terms clubs use).
Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City even Pool for the right player (60 mil for a CB at the time) THAT'S true "backing" and almost all of the top contenders have it. Arsenal haven't since the ke's got a big share in this club. They simply refuse to spend on the scale and with the aggression needed to buy top quality players in the modern game. I'm not saying they have to spend 1 bil in two seasons buying an entire City squad. But they've GOT to be willing to spend large amounts of money on marquee players in their prime. Until they do you can consider them wholly UNWILLING to back the manager.
Watch Newcastle the next two windows, then you'll see what real backing is.
posted on 7/12/21
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 8 hours, 18 minutes ago
"There's no doubt they're willing to back a manager."
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Why because they've kept Arteta and given him 150 mil to buy 4 or 5 players with??
They kept him because he's CHEAP and becuase they can take the ps with squad investment even further than they have already. By telling him he has to build a squad of champagne players with beer player money. "Willing to back a manager" in billionaire owner terms is happily giving him 100 mil to buy ONE player if that is what he says he needs for the team. And not some BS 5 yr payment crap either, just bosh there's ya cash give him his player (or with the usual short terms clubs use).
Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City even Pool for the right player (60 mil for a CB at the time) THAT'S true "backing" and almost all of the top contenders have it. Arsenal haven't since theke's got a big share in this club. They simply refuse to spend on the scale and with the aggression needed to buy top quality players in the modern game. I'm not saying they have to spend 1 bil in two seasons buying an entire City squad. But they've GOT to be willing to spend large amounts of money on marquee players in their prime. Until they do you can consider them wholly UNWILLING to back the manager.
Watch Newcastle the next two windows, then you'll see what real backing is.
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It feels wrong defending the Kroenke's and I really don't want to do it but you're talking complete nonsense.
We spent big on Pepe, Aubameyang, Ozil, Sanchez, Lacazette, White, Partey etc etc
I'm not saying the money was necessarily spent well but we currently have the 6th most expensive squad in the world despite not being in the CL for several seasons. The second highest net spend in the PL since Arteta joined.
I don't like the Kroenke's at all but they have financially and PR wise backed the manager. IF we had a good manager then they wouldn't be holding them back. They also might not be going for Oil money and purely buying success but I for one would hate for us to do that anyway, it's souless and empty to win when you're playing by different rules to everyone else.
posted on 7/12/21
Stan Kroenke was 19th on the list of the 20 Premier League clubs in terms of owner investment. I believe only Newcastle or Norwich were below us and if that was Newcastle we'll soon be 20th.
It was something like £6m of his own money he's invested in the club since he joined.
Let's not forget there were plenty of seasons where they were charging the club several million in corporate/administrative fees as well.
posted on 7/12/21
There are some different tables which take different things into account but: https://www.sportbible.com/football/transfers-how-much-premier-league-owners-have-given-their-club-has-been-revealed-20200914
Gives a general idea. We may have spent big but we're the ones paying for it with our own revenues / loans / financing / debt against the club.
posted on 7/12/21
comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 36 minutes ago
There are some different tables which take different things into account but: https://www.sportbible.com/football/transfers-how-much-premier-league-owners-have-given-their-club-has-been-revealed-20200914
Gives a general idea. We may have spent big but we're the ones paying for it with our own revenues / loans / financing / debt against the club.
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I'm definitely not arguing that he spends his own money.
Like I mentioned above the last thing I personally want is the club to become an "oil type" that buys success with no consideration for balancing the books, to me at least that's far worse than not being successful at all.
Like I said, I have absolutely no love for the Kroenke's, I despise them along with the whole world of billionaires in general (it's a fundamental failing in modern society imo) but they're currently not holding the manager back. The manager is simply not good enough to take advantage of all the resources at their disposal.
posted on 7/12/21
Not saying we need to buy success to Man City or Chelsea levels but there is a direct correlation between owner investment and success, when it's done right that is.
This is not just investing in the playing staff, this is investing in all aspects of the club for high performance.
I haven't been to the Emirates in a year or two but last I heard the place is starting to fall apart, things are damaged, looking old and it needs painting. That's an embarrassment for a club with our values or any club that claims to belong in the Champions League.
If you're not willing to spend the money to do the work for the naked eye and put on a good show for what fans can see when they turn up on a matchday then what is there to suggest things are right behind the scenes?
posted on 7/12/21
comment by You Can't Buy Class ¯\_/^v^\_/¯ (U12019)
posted 53 minutes ago
Not saying we need to buy success to Man City or Chelsea levels but there is a direct correlation between owner investment and success, when it's done right that is.
This is not just investing in the playing staff, this is investing in all aspects of the club for high performance.
I haven't been to the Emirates in a year or two but last I heard the place is starting to fall apart, things are damaged, looking old and it needs painting. That's an embarrassment for a club with our values or any club that claims to belong in the Champions League.
If you're not willing to spend the money to do the work for the naked eye and put on a good show for what fans can see when they turn up on a matchday then what is there to suggest things are right behind the scenes?
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I've not heard that to be fair, I live overseas now and haven't been to a game in years either but sounds very shoddy if true.
Like I said I don't like these guys at all but I can only go on the info I've seen and spending wise they're not holding the manager back financially imo any more than if we had an entirely neutral style of ownership like fan ownership (where the club is self sustaining).
The Kroenke's are sccccum and they are going to make insane amounts purely by selling off their asset as it becomes even more valuable