Our strikers 😡

comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 8 hours, 26 minutes ago
The arsenal Giroud is better than the Auba at arsenal and Laca
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Probably was, but even Giroud wasnt good enough to take Arsenal to where us fans want to be which is competing for league titles. That's why I didn't ever think of Giroud as a very good striker. Now we are even worse and getting worse by the day. Arteta isn't going to get us where we want to be. All a sad pathetic waste of time

comment by V - Fighters not Victims (U7971)
posted 11 hours, 10 minutes ago
If lack of xG is the problem, and it’s not the strikers primary job to create the xG (but convert xG to goals) does that mean our bigger problem is with our attacking midfielders ie Saka, ESR, Odegaard? I mean that logically follows right? Or are they free from blame and instead it falls more on the CMs?
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Good question.

I think its the lack of coaching on combinational play. Whether its on defending, eg press or attacking patterns. I don't see any which is why Arteta has often been criticised for a lack of style or pattern of play. Our transitions are awful and slow because players don't know where their teammates are going to be. So you get slow turgid two touch football where players are always looking around where to pass next instead of knowing it already from the training ground.

I think the players can perform to a far higher standard with better coaches and a quality experienced manager.

comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 11 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 8 hours, 26 minutes ago
The arsenal Giroud is better than the Auba at arsenal and Laca
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Probably was, but even Giroud wasnt good enough to take Arsenal to where us fans want to be which is competing for league titles. That's why I didn't ever think of Giroud as a very good striker. Now we are even worse and getting worse by the day. Arteta isn't going to get us where we want to be. All a sad pathetic waste of time
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Can you imagine how bad Giroud would look if no one was creating chances for him?

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 11 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 8 hours, 26 minutes ago
The arsenal Giroud is better than the Auba at arsenal and Laca
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Probably was, but even Giroud wasnt good enough to take Arsenal to where us fans want to be which is competing for league titles. That's why I didn't ever think of Giroud as a very good striker. Now we are even worse and getting worse by the day. Arteta isn't going to get us where we want to be. All a sad pathetic waste of time
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Can you imagine how bad Giroud would look if no one was creating chances for him?
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Giroud wasnt a prolific goal scorer he's main attribute was good hold up and linking with the players around him.

Still got to get the ball to him in the right places and have good movement around him though

comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 3 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by oldboy2002 (U20062)
posted 11 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 8 hours, 26 minutes ago
The arsenal Giroud is better than the Auba at arsenal and Laca
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Probably was, but even Giroud wasnt good enough to take Arsenal to where us fans want to be which is competing for league titles. That's why I didn't ever think of Giroud as a very good striker. Now we are even worse and getting worse by the day. Arteta isn't going to get us where we want to be. All a sad pathetic waste of time
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Can you imagine how bad Giroud would look if no one was creating chances for him?
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Giroud wasnt a prolific goal scorer he's main attribute was good hold up and linking with the players around him.
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I think you are thinking of a different Giroud. We never lumped the ball to him. It wasn't the Wenger way. And if we had we would be struggling near the bottom of the table.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 13 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by V - Fighters not Victims (U7971)
posted 11 hours, 10 minutes ago
If lack of xG is the problem, and it’s not the strikers primary job to create the xG (but convert xG to goals) does that mean our bigger problem is with our attacking midfielders ie Saka, ESR, Odegaard? I mean that logically follows right? Or are they free from blame and instead it falls more on the CMs?
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Good question.

I think its the lack of coaching on combinational play. Whether its on defending, eg press or attacking patterns. I don't see any which is why Arteta has often been criticised for a lack of style or pattern of play. Our transitions are awful and slow because players don't know where their teammates are going to be. So you get slow turgid two touch football where players are always looking around where to pass next instead of knowing it already from the training ground.

I think the players can perform to a far higher standard with better coaches and a quality experienced manager.
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Great answer. So essentially the best thing Arteta could do right now is to get some better coaches supporting him. Appreciate that it would be better to have the quality experienced manager that you mentioned, but in the short term that doesn’t seem possible. Maybe that’s why Arteta is looking to bring Yaya Toure in, to get that higher calibre into the attacking coaching team

comment by V - Fighters not Victims (U7971)
posted 14 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 13 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by V - Fighters not Victims (U7971)
posted 11 hours, 10 minutes ago
If lack of xG is the problem, and it’s not the strikers primary job to create the xG (but convert xG to goals) does that mean our bigger problem is with our attacking midfielders ie Saka, ESR, Odegaard? I mean that logically follows right? Or are they free from blame and instead it falls more on the CMs?
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Good question.

I think its the lack of coaching on combinational play. Whether its on defending, eg press or attacking patterns. I don't see any which is why Arteta has often been criticised for a lack of style or pattern of play. Our transitions are awful and slow because players don't know where their teammates are going to be. So you get slow turgid two touch football where players are always looking around where to pass next instead of knowing it already from the training ground.

I think the players can perform to a far higher standard with better coaches and a quality experienced manager.
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Great answer. So essentially the best thing Arteta could do right now is to get some better coaches supporting him. Appreciate that it would be better to have the quality experienced manager that you mentioned, but in the short term that doesn’t seem possible. Maybe that’s why Arteta is looking to bring Yaya Toure in, to get that higher calibre into the attacking coaching team
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I thought he needed better coaches last summer at the very least if he wasn't fired. I made the point several times about Steve Round and Malmo coaches don't cut it at the top level. The problem is of course Arteta has not done that for the last 2 summers. So is he insightful enough to his see his own shortcomings? Is it just too late now because the players are not responding to him. Lexington posted a stat on the Arsenal thread yesterday that Laca has only had about 5 shots in his 9 starts. Thats actual shots! You have to ask what have the coaches been doing about it? Arteta is into his 3rd year and we look arguably more abysmal going forward than we did under Emery.

And I don't subscribe to view that its too late to replace Arteta. Contrary I think this is the ideal time to do so because we are not that far off the top 4. Bring in an interim with gravitas like Joachim Lowe and promise him the vacant 'Raul' position in the summer where he can then bring in an upcoming coach, whether its Potter or someone else. Just like Man Utd have done.

You make a strong point, just really feels the board is all-in on Arteta and desperate for it to work. Just can’t see them cutting him loose before the summer, unless this terrible form continues for another 10 games or so