First off, it is a wow moment that the government has actually sanctioned Roman Abramovic. I didn’t think they’d do it anyway, and the 30 day aspect was a “get out of jail free card" kind of thing.
Seems though that the destruction of a maternity hospital <yuk> is what it took to force the governments hand.
What does it mean?
No sale of the club can proceed
No merchandise sales allowed
No player transfers or new contracts
No more tickets able to be sold ie no more ticket sales bar what has already been sold.
£20k restriction on travel
Restrictions on budgets for security
As we all love football, and football is nothing without fans, this is a hammer blow in general. The FA cup games and CL games will be only half full. Will Chelsea allow fans in for “free" ? I would if I was them. So what if tickets can’t be sold have season ticket holders bring in someone to accompany them.
The Chelsea fans do not deserve this, all they did was support their club and I’m not going to do a “Nelson pointing haha"
The atmosphere for around the club will be grim and leaves the club a little directionless as far as the future planning goes. No new contracts and no sale, transfer embargo or something too.
I think fans of all clubs need to take stock of who their owners are and demand a change.
Sportswashing here has left chelsea fans short changed and football in general too. Can their fixtures be fulfilled with those restrictions?
Massive blow - Chelsea and football.
posted on 11/3/22
comment by Fifty Years of Hurt (U12953)
posted 7 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Fifty Years of Hurt (U12953)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars character (U10178)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
yep we should have seen it coming when we got the questionaire from ken asking if we were ok with it..
Your post reaks os relief at now arsenal may get back to fourth position again.
As for Sandy well yep lets close chelsea and we go out as reigning World and European champions with so many titles in the last 2 decades that not even 5 generations of your offspring will have come close to winning 10% of that. Stamford bridge stays as a memorial to the world beaters as the ptich owners refuse to negate their interest, and as it becomes a point of interest in the heart of london, you the tax payer will pay towards the upkeep of it. sleep with that on your mind.
But with luck Nick candy buys the club and has even more funds available than Roman. then we sell the naming rights to the ground as Candyland 100mill/annum.
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You may think that but I still subscribe to the fact a club's success should be gained on the field not by using a get rich quick scheme with someone pumping in loads of money and nobody caring where that money has come from.
Maybe that's an opinion from a bygone era but as they say you reap what you sow. Do I want to see Arsenal win the league again yes of course but not at all costs and not the route Chelsea took.
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Oh, I'm sorry. Did your billionaire investors in Arsenal make their money by tickling monkeys and giving out free daffodils?
Of course not. They made their money the same way every billionaire does; by stealing something from someone. Either resources, or the time of the people that work for them. And I guarantee that if you look into the background of every single one of them, you'll find something that can easily be labelled "immoral" if not actually evil.
So come down off that high horse you muppet. Stop pretending that Arsenal's shiite smells of roses.
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How much of their dirty money are Arsenal's owners putting into the club? Come back when 1.5 billion in dirty money is invested into another club apart from the sportswashing clubs.
People can be so naive. You think Roman gave all that money away because he's just a nice bloke that likes tickling monkeys and giving out free daffodils?
He wanted something and he got it. He couldn't have got it without making the club successful as dirty money is only tolerated by its beneficiaries.. He used your club and brainwashed you all with trophies. Look at you still doing what he wants and making these arguments.
There's levels to the game and owners are not the same across the board.
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I'm guessing you're a Liverpool fan, from the posts you've made. So I can understand you being bitter about our success. You're probably too young to remember when Liverpool were the big dogs in the top flight.
I'm not being naive about how Abramovic made his money. I'm just pointing out that all billionaires, yours included, have made that much money through questionable means. Nobody, and I mean nobody, has ever made a billion out of the sweat of their own brow, or a clever idea.
But sure, you have some of the "good" billionaires bankrolling your club. And you call me naive!
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You're misinterpreting my point on purpose so you don't have to face the truth. You've been brainwashed. Valid criticism doesn't exist anymore. Anything said about your club is jealousy and/or bitterness. Pathetic self defense mechanism Chelsea fans are using to avoid facing the truth.
Roman knew by buying Chelsea and bringing trophies he was also buying an army of Chelsea fans to defend and rationalise anything and everything about him. Shameless tbh. The rhetoric on here from Chelsea fans in the last two weeks will go into folklore. Chelsea fans will never live it down. Embarrassing and Shameless.
You're not being naive about how Abramovic made his money, you're being intentionally naive about how he spent it so that you can somehow rationalise that Chelsea and other clubs are the same. I'm not saying other clubs are angels but there's comparisons you can't make. Liverpool also have a billionaire owner who's never put a dime into the club, they're in it to eventually make money, not give away 1.5b. Whether you like it or not Liverpool's success is not built on money stolen from a sovereign state.
If 1.5b in money stolen from the Russian people was invested in my club, I wouldn't welcome it or celebrate it personally. It was easy for him to give 1.5b away because it was never his money anyway and he never worked for it. Easy come easy go.
posted on 11/3/22
comment by Fred's Shooting Coach (U18999)
posted 7 hours, 1 minute ago
I call bullsh*tt on this - Roman did the right thing and distanced himself from the club.The club, it's supporters and the league shouldn't suffer.
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I don't necessarily disagree with this but its OK to benefit and gleefully take 1.5b but its not OK to suffer the consequences thereafter?
Should have known it was too good to be true when you see a person willing to just give you 1.5b. Reminds me of those Nigerian email scams. Nobody gives that kind of money away just like that and for nothing.
posted on 11/3/22
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
You're misinterpreting my point on purpose so you don't have to face the truth. You've been brainwashed. Valid criticism doesn't exist anymore. Anything said about your club is jealousy and/or bitterness. Pathetic self defense mechanism Chelsea fans are using to avoid facing the truth.
Roman knew by buying Chelsea and bringing trophies he was also buying an army of Chelsea fans to defend and rationalise anything and everything about him. Shameless tbh. The rhetoric on here from Chelsea fans in the last two weeks will go into folklore. Chelsea fans will never live it down. Embarrassing and Shameless.
You're not being naive about how Abramovic made his money, you're being intentionally naive about how he spent it so that you can somehow rationalise that Chelsea and other clubs are the same. I'm not saying other clubs are angels but there's comparisons you can't make. Liverpool also have a billionaire owner who's never put a dime into the club, they're in it to eventually make money, not give away 1.5b. Whether you like it or not Liverpool's success is not built on money stolen from a sovereign state.
If 1.5b in money stolen from the Russian people was invested in my club, I wouldn't welcome it or celebrate it personally. It was easy for him to give 1.5b away because it was never his money anyway and he never worked for it. Easy come easy go.
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I'm not ignoring anything, you are. I made it categorically clear that ANY billionaire in existence has made their money through questionable means. ALL OF THEM. That, in case this still isn't clear to you, includes Abramovic. And the Glasers. And John W Henry. Nobody makes a billion from hard work. They make it by stealing something from somebody. The money that a billionaire has is tainted in all circumstances.
So our owner, and your owners, and City's owners, United's owners, Newcastle's owners...all have "stolen" money. But people that rich make the rules, they don't follow them. So they've redifined the rules to make it so that it's "legal" for them to have that money.
So I'm not rationalising shiite. I'm calling out the hypocrisy of attacking ONE of that group and saying in a pretty simplistic (and clearly tribal) way; "that person is bad, and should be punished. But my person is completely fine, and should be left alone".
Your attacking me for being naive is clearly projecting. And is a mask to try and cover your blatant hypocrisy. That smell around football permeates EVERYTHING. Because there is so much money in football these days that it's attracted the very worst kind of people in the world. And that's ALL the top clubs, including yours.
And the government has set a precedent now. A country does something they don't like, they can sieze the assets of literally anyone, apparently. So I'd be careful about gloating too much about this situation, because it should be scary to every right thinking fan that the government have given themselves the power to do this on a whim.
posted on 11/3/22
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 22 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 54 seconds ago
So looking at this…
No away fans at Chelsea, and no Chelsea away fans at other grounds?
(Except those that have already been sold?)
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No away fans isn’t fair on the teams left to play them away though
Chelsea get an unfair advantage
I can’t see how that works as financiers it hits chelsea but for the actual league that is not good
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isn't fair? wtf?........ people are dying.....ww3 is so close. we, usa & putin has nuclear weapons....and you want away fans ffs
posted on 11/3/22
comment by Fifty Years of Hurt (U12953)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
You're misinterpreting my point on purpose so you don't have to face the truth. You've been brainwashed. Valid criticism doesn't exist anymore. Anything said about your club is jealousy and/or bitterness. Pathetic self defense mechanism Chelsea fans are using to avoid facing the truth.
Roman knew by buying Chelsea and bringing trophies he was also buying an army of Chelsea fans to defend and rationalise anything and everything about him. Shameless tbh. The rhetoric on here from Chelsea fans in the last two weeks will go into folklore. Chelsea fans will never live it down. Embarrassing and Shameless.
You're not being naive about how Abramovic made his money, you're being intentionally naive about how he spent it so that you can somehow rationalise that Chelsea and other clubs are the same. I'm not saying other clubs are angels but there's comparisons you can't make. Liverpool also have a billionaire owner who's never put a dime into the club, they're in it to eventually make money, not give away 1.5b. Whether you like it or not Liverpool's success is not built on money stolen from a sovereign state.
If 1.5b in money stolen from the Russian people was invested in my club, I wouldn't welcome it or celebrate it personally. It was easy for him to give 1.5b away because it was never his money anyway and he never worked for it. Easy come easy go.
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I'm not ignoring anything, you are. I made it categorically clear that ANY billionaire in existence has made their money through questionable means. ALL OF THEM. That, in case this still isn't clear to you, includes Abramovic. And the Glasers. And John W Henry. Nobody makes a billion from hard work. They make it by stealing something from somebody. The money that a billionaire has is tainted in all circumstances.
So our owner, and your owners, and City's owners, United's owners, Newcastle's owners...all have "stolen" money. But people that rich make the rules, they don't follow them. So they've redifined the rules to make it so that it's "legal" for them to have that money.
So I'm not rationalising shiite. I'm calling out the hypocrisy of attacking ONE of that group and saying in a pretty simplistic (and clearly tribal) way; "that person is bad, and should be punished. But my person is completely fine, and should be left alone".
Your attacking me for being naive is clearly projecting. And is a mask to try and cover your blatant hypocrisy. That smell around football permeates EVERYTHING. Because there is so much money in football these days that it's attracted the very worst kind of people in the world. And that's ALL the top clubs, including yours.
And the government has set a precedent now. A country does something they don't like, they can sieze the assets of literally anyone, apparently. So I'd be careful about gloating too much about this situation, because it should be scary to every right thinking fan that the government have given themselves the power to do this on a whim.
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on a whim? my oh my
posted on 11/3/22
“ I'm guessing you're a Liverpool fan, from the posts you've made. So I can understand you being bitter about our success. You're probably too young to remember when Liverpool were the big dogs in the top flight.
I'm not being naive about how Abramovic made his money. I'm just pointing out that all billionaires, yours included, have made that much money through questionable means. Nobody, and I mean nobody, has ever made a billion out of the sweat of their own brow, or a clever idea.”
Yeah couple of things with this. We’re still the most successful side in England and have won more CL’s than any English club.
Detail what FSG have done that’s dodgy enough for the government to step in and take the club off their hands?
posted on 11/3/22
comment by kammys left foot (U21862)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Fifty Years of Hurt (U12953)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
You're misinterpreting my point on purpose so you don't have to face the truth. You've been brainwashed. Valid criticism doesn't exist anymore. Anything said about your club is jealousy and/or bitterness. Pathetic self defense mechanism Chelsea fans are using to avoid facing the truth.
Roman knew by buying Chelsea and bringing trophies he was also buying an army of Chelsea fans to defend and rationalise anything and everything about him. Shameless tbh. The rhetoric on here from Chelsea fans in the last two weeks will go into folklore. Chelsea fans will never live it down. Embarrassing and Shameless.
You're not being naive about how Abramovic made his money, you're being intentionally naive about how he spent it so that you can somehow rationalise that Chelsea and other clubs are the same. I'm not saying other clubs are angels but there's comparisons you can't make. Liverpool also have a billionaire owner who's never put a dime into the club, they're in it to eventually make money, not give away 1.5b. Whether you like it or not Liverpool's success is not built on money stolen from a sovereign state.
If 1.5b in money stolen from the Russian people was invested in my club, I wouldn't welcome it or celebrate it personally. It was easy for him to give 1.5b away because it was never his money anyway and he never worked for it. Easy come easy go.
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I'm not ignoring anything, you are. I made it categorically clear that ANY billionaire in existence has made their money through questionable means. ALL OF THEM. That, in case this still isn't clear to you, includes Abramovic. And the Glasers. And John W Henry. Nobody makes a billion from hard work. They make it by stealing something from somebody. The money that a billionaire has is tainted in all circumstances.
So our owner, and your owners, and City's owners, United's owners, Newcastle's owners...all have "stolen" money. But people that rich make the rules, they don't follow them. So they've redifined the rules to make it so that it's "legal" for them to have that money.
So I'm not rationalising shiite. I'm calling out the hypocrisy of attacking ONE of that group and saying in a pretty simplistic (and clearly tribal) way; "that person is bad, and should be punished. But my person is completely fine, and should be left alone".
Your attacking me for being naive is clearly projecting. And is a mask to try and cover your blatant hypocrisy. That smell around football permeates EVERYTHING. Because there is so much money in football these days that it's attracted the very worst kind of people in the world. And that's ALL the top clubs, including yours.
And the government has set a precedent now. A country does something they don't like, they can sieze the assets of literally anyone, apparently. So I'd be careful about gloating too much about this situation, because it should be scary to every right thinking fan that the government have given themselves the power to do this on a whim.
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on a whim? my oh my
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Yes, on a whim. Because if it was for a genuine reason; like say "being a nationality involved in bombing another sovereign state" you'll have to explain to me why Newcastle aren't now in the same state as Chelsea.
Or indeed all the other clubs that have had Russian money associated with them. Or indeed the Tory Party, that have had a TON of Russian money in recent years. But no, it's just Chelsea. So yes, "on a whim". Political grandstanding, rather than starting from any sort of moral standpoint.
posted on 11/3/22
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 12 minutes ago
“ I'm guessing you're a Liverpool fan, from the posts you've made. So I can understand you being bitter about our success. You're probably too young to remember when Liverpool were the big dogs in the top flight.
I'm not being naive about how Abramovic made his money. I'm just pointing out that all billionaires, yours included, have made that much money through questionable means. Nobody, and I mean nobody, has ever made a billion out of the sweat of their own brow, or a clever idea.”
Yeah couple of things with this. We’re still the most successful side in England and have won more CL’s than any English club.
Detail what FSG have done that’s dodgy enough for the government to step in and take the club off their hands?
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Detail what Abramovic has done, then. Him specifically. What makes him different from all the other Russian billionaires that have pumped money in to football clubs, property and the Tory Party?
And no, simply stating "he has links to Putin" isn't enough. What links specifically? How do they differ from the dozens (hundreds?) of other Russian billionaires investing in the UK?
We've sanctioned 7. The EU have sanctioned 160. What criteria are we using to decide who does or does not get hit by sanctions?
posted on 11/3/22
comment by Fifty Years of Hurt (U12953)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 12 minutes ago
“ I'm guessing you're a Liverpool fan, from the posts you've made. So I can understand you being bitter about our success. You're probably too young to remember when Liverpool were the big dogs in the top flight.
I'm not being naive about how Abramovic made his money. I'm just pointing out that all billionaires, yours included, have made that much money through questionable means. Nobody, and I mean nobody, has ever made a billion out of the sweat of their own brow, or a clever idea.”
Yeah couple of things with this. We’re still the most successful side in England and have won more CL’s than any English club.
Detail what FSG have done that’s dodgy enough for the government to step in and take the club off their hands?
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Detail what Abramovic has done, then. Him specifically. What makes him different from all the other Russian billionaires that have pumped money in to football clubs, property and the Tory Party?
And no, simply stating "he has links to Putin" isn't enough. What links specifically? How do they differ from the dozens (hundreds?) of other Russian billionaires investing in the UK?
We've sanctioned 7. The EU have sanctioned 160. What criteria are we using to decide who does or does not get hit by sanctions?
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Pretty clear what he’s done. Admitted in the high court to buying political influence and protection in Russia, has supplied Steel to make tanks used to invade Ukraine and yes has alleged close links to Putin.
Politically I’ve been calling out the influx of dodgy Russian money for a while. Same with Tory party donations from Russian billionaires.
So, apparently FSG and Roman are one and the same because they’re billionaires. What have FSG done to warrant the U.K. gov to take the club off their hands?
posted on 11/3/22
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Fifty Years of Hurt (U12953)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 12 minutes ago
“ I'm guessing you're a Liverpool fan, from the posts you've made. So I can understand you being bitter about our success. You're probably too young to remember when Liverpool were the big dogs in the top flight.
I'm not being naive about how Abramovic made his money. I'm just pointing out that all billionaires, yours included, have made that much money through questionable means. Nobody, and I mean nobody, has ever made a billion out of the sweat of their own brow, or a clever idea.”
Yeah couple of things with this. We’re still the most successful side in England and have won more CL’s than any English club.
Detail what FSG have done that’s dodgy enough for the government to step in and take the club off their hands?
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Detail what Abramovic has done, then. Him specifically. What makes him different from all the other Russian billionaires that have pumped money in to football clubs, property and the Tory Party?
And no, simply stating "he has links to Putin" isn't enough. What links specifically? How do they differ from the dozens (hundreds?) of other Russian billionaires investing in the UK?
We've sanctioned 7. The EU have sanctioned 160. What criteria are we using to decide who does or does not get hit by sanctions?
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Pretty clear what he’s done. Admitted in the high court to buying political influence and protection in Russia, has supplied Steel to make tanks used to invade Ukraine and yes has alleged close links to Putin.
Politically I’ve been calling out the influx of dodgy Russian money for a while. Same with Tory party donations from Russian billionaires.
So, apparently FSG and Roman are one and the same because they’re billionaires. What have FSG done to warrant the U.K. gov to take the club off their hands?
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I just asked what Abramovic did specifically, and you came back with "alleged" links, buying political influence (which would make every billionaire and company complicit) and having a stake in a company with links to defence contractors.
So are we suspending operations of any club with "alleged" links to Putin? Any club with owners with links to defence contractors? Any club with owners that have provided funds to political parties?
That last one is especially amusing, bearing in mind that Abramovic is one of the Russian billionaires that HASN'T contributed to the Tory party.
So what this shows is that it isn't about what FSG has done, since this action has proved that the government can take this action just because they feel like it. Without consistency, with nothing more than innuendo.
In the meantime we'll be playing a club on Sunday who have owners with direct links to a country that is attacking and bombing another country. Yet they won't be under any sanctions. Odd, isn't it?