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Even the New York Times

Thinks the Conservatives have failed.

It Feels Like Boris Johnson’s Britain Is Finally ‘Sinking Giggling Into the Sea’ https://nyti.ms/3tRERNj

A little off topic, but there's no footie.

posted on 23/6/22

Britain have done a good job of that as well, rosso. It’s why they are happy for ‘left and right’ to be a social battleground rather than an economic one.

posted on 23/6/22

Dazza, one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen was when I was working in the bar here, and there was an American couple I think from somewhere in the Midwest in.

The woman was waxing lyrical about Portugal; she wouldn’t shut up: “It’s a paradise… The people are so friendly… Everyone seems so happy… We just loooooove it here… blah blah blah.”

The conversation turned to Portuguese politics, and I mentioned that the minority Socialist government was being propped up in a confidence and supply arrangement by the Left Bloc, the eco-socialists and the Communists, and she just made this involuntary noise that sounded like a distraught moose that’d been stuck in a bear trap for three days.

She honestly looked like she’d been possessed and was about to go into convulsions and roll around on the floor.

posted on 23/6/22


posted on 24/6/22

With or without Johnson, the Tories have done all they can to divide the country. Brexiteers against Remainers, North against South, Young against Old, rich against Poor, English against Scottish.

They need binning at the next Election, whichever leader they have.

Populism needs consigning to the bin.

posted on 24/6/22

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 14 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - What is it now, Ralf? (U21434)
posted 40 minutes ago
Why dont you both try and move this discussion on and agree to use the accepted definition of 'left wing' and not your own. Whilst this can include socialist aspects of a political system (ie common ownership of property and industrial assets) it doesn't exclusively and includes other radical and enlightened and reforming, liberal thinking, within a capitalist economy.

You could then agree that the New York Times actually persues a left of centre, liberal, editorial agenda, if it helps you both.
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I think it’s fair to say that is has a *relatively* liberal, left of centre agenda in a country which, by European (including British) standards at least, has an economic Overton window skewed far to the right.

How’s that?
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I have always been of the opinion that the Democratic Party is to the right of the Canadian Tories. But those Tories are now pushing farther to the right, which is worrying.

posted on 24/6/22

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 14 hours, 4 minutes ago
I mean, when the NYT IT staff tried to unionise, the paper didn’t exactly back their workers, to say the least.

The US media has for a long time been very good at the “LOOK AT THE BIG SOCIAL ISSUES WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT! (whilst we conveniently ignore the oligarchy exploiting the working class)” act.

And the ‘left leaning’ press is as much to blame as the ‘right leaning’ press. Look what happens when the Dems put up social democratic candidates. They’re absolutely pilloried across the media; and the NYT, for example, backed both Giuliani and Bloomberg running as mayoral candidates for the Republicans in NY, if I’m not very much mistaken.

You can go to the most liberal and progressive parts of the US, mention the word ‘socialism’ and hear the room fall silent.
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You're not wrong.

posted on 24/6/22

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 15 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago

NR2, yes, you're absolutely correct about conflicting rights, and anyone who is serious about balancing tolerance and protection fairly is going to end up with slightly messy compromises. Put 10 people in a room and they'll likely all draw the lines in slightly different places. Bigotry isn't inevitable: we can all strive to keep listening and learning from each other, be vigilant about our blind spots (we all have those) and try to make those comprises between conflicting rights as fair as possible. Ideally not ending up with some groups on the wrong end of the deal.
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And this is why for tolerance we must condemn any intolerance from any side—glad we agree. Good night.
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In my experience too many people see their position being challenged as intolerance. A simply question of "Why do you think that?", is interpreted as "You shouldn't think like that". It happens time and time again, it's very frustrating.

posted on 24/6/22

It’s also funny that people are crying about people being intolerant of the intolerant. That’s basically what N2’s angle is.

posted on 24/6/22

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
It’s also funny that people are crying about people being intolerant of the intolerant. That’s basically what N2’s angle is.
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People should, of course, be absolutely intolerant of intolerance.

Apart from where that intolerance is intolerance of intolerance.

posted on 25/6/22

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 days, 3 hours ago
How exactly has Liverpool been ruined?
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