the second weekend off the Prem season, how did Spurs do?
Yesterday I thought was a shockingly bad, gutless performance, the team barely strung two passes together, the defence were just panic clearing most of the time, the midfield was practically non existent, but somehow Spurs escaped with a point. Usually I would be happy with that at SB, but the performance was alarming. I could not believe Conte did not hook at least two, possibly three off at halftime, just to liven things up. The only highlight being Kane`s 96th minute equaliser, which at least shut the gobby home supporters up.
What I find astonishing is that although some money was spent, it is in reality just to boost the squad. I assumed that when £150 million spend was being bandied around was that would be to bring in players that would slot straight into the first XI, like Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Liverpool etc have done. That Dier and Davies are still considered nailed on starters should give cause for concern. Both OK as squad players, but should they really be starting every game, they are average, where Spurs needs much more than that. Romero as well needs to keep himself under control, and he himself is not quite the worldy, a lot of our supporters think he is. Spurs should have broken the bank for a real top quality CB, one that would really make a difference, same with central midfield.
I would be astonished if Conte was happy with what he saw yesterday, despite the late equaliser, and I would expect three or four changes for the Wolves game. Perisic and Boussoma surely have to start, also I would start Richarlidson in front of what looks like a jaded Son. I would also not be surprised if or two of Doherty, Sanchez and Lenglet are not also not started.
Any way negatives out of the way, the positives are that despite the poor performance Spurs still managed to score two goals at a ground where they very rarely score, even one. And if they were to beat Wolves at the weekend, that would already show a seven point improvement on the three corresponding fixtures played last season.
I am sure Conte knows what is needed. And frankly it was ridiculous he received a Red card for something he never instigated, that was all down to Tuchel, completely out of order. Definitely Conte should appeal.
Other than that, Spurs have a chance to go back to the top of the table on Saturday for a few hours with the early kick off against Wolves.
COYS
Now that the dust has settled on
posted on 15/8/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
We haven't brought any 'superstars' in who walk into our first 11. But I don't think that was ever part of the plan, it was to provide greater strength in depth and have players who could push for a starting spot.
I do think over the coming months we'll see Lenglet, Bissouma, and Perisic establish themselves as first choice. Richarlison will get regular game time to keep things fresh. Spence needs to prove himself etc......
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This would be more relevant if we didn't have a good team already. We're not going to get anyone who forces Kane, Son or Kulu to the bench at the moment. Then you have Bentancur, Romero and Lloris who are all strong starters, with Dier and Hojbjerg in good form too. Bissouma could arguably start ahead of Hojbjerg so that's 1. That's most of the team with the exception of the full back positions where you could bring someone in more likely to start than the others, although Spence may well have the potential to.
Besides, we have proven with Kulu and Bentancur that you don't need to get "superstars". There are no guarantees they'll work out as United are finding out, and as we have found out before i.e. Ndombele.
The business we've done is fine. If we get 1 or 2 more it will be perfect but I am very satisfied with what we've done, I don't know why others aren't either given how we have usually conducted our transfer windows in the past. We have largely improved our squad which by the way helped us to a point that we ordinarily wouldn't get.
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The business we've done is fine but for the second game straight, none of our new players are deemed good enough to start.
We all knew our greatest deficiency was at both wingback positions. We've signed Perisic who, despite knowing the Conte way, isn't getting in ahead of Sess for some reason and Spence on the other side who can't even get on the bench.
I think Perisic and Bissouma both represent significant upgrades on what we have (assuming Conte eventually has faith) but elsewhere we've signed benchwarmers. Don't get me wrong, that's great. It adds depth and competition but imagine there's a cup final now. Who plays? The same first eleven front last season. That's the only issue I have. We've got a bigger squad, not a better team and when you're reluctant to rotate as Conte often is, it doesn't make us an awful lot better.
I've got a feeling this is going to come up tonight on MNF. Carragher alluded to this issue yesterday. He found it odd that with so many new signings, none of them have made the starting eleven in the first two games.
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Do you not think its good management to reward those who helped us get top 4 to start the season as first choice ? Im sure they are well aware of competition for their places. Let’s me honest, the new players are yet to do anything at Spurs, It’s a smart way to stop expectation and the pressure being on them from the start. It also allows the new players time to adjust to their new team mates. Perhaps if we handled the likes of GLC & NDombele in a similar manner their Spurs careers may have played out differently….. Regardless, If someone had offer us us a 3 goal win Vs Saints and a draw at the Bridge 2 weeks ago I’d have bitten your hand off
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Chelsea got top four last season as well. Didn't stop them starting three new signings.
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Don’t see how that’s relevant
posted on 15/8/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
We haven't brought any 'superstars' in who walk into our first 11. But I don't think that was ever part of the plan, it was to provide greater strength in depth and have players who could push for a starting spot.
I do think over the coming months we'll see Lenglet, Bissouma, and Perisic establish themselves as first choice. Richarlison will get regular game time to keep things fresh. Spence needs to prove himself etc......
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This would be more relevant if we didn't have a good team already. We're not going to get anyone who forces Kane, Son or Kulu to the bench at the moment. Then you have Bentancur, Romero and Lloris who are all strong starters, with Dier and Hojbjerg in good form too. Bissouma could arguably start ahead of Hojbjerg so that's 1. That's most of the team with the exception of the full back positions where you could bring someone in more likely to start than the others, although Spence may well have the potential to.
Besides, we have proven with Kulu and Bentancur that you don't need to get "superstars". There are no guarantees they'll work out as United are finding out, and as we have found out before i.e. Ndombele.
The business we've done is fine. If we get 1 or 2 more it will be perfect but I am very satisfied with what we've done, I don't know why others aren't either given how we have usually conducted our transfer windows in the past. We have largely improved our squad which by the way helped us to a point that we ordinarily wouldn't get.
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The business we've done is fine but for the second game straight, none of our new players are deemed good enough to start.
We all knew our greatest deficiency was at both wingback positions. We've signed Perisic who, despite knowing the Conte way, isn't getting in ahead of Sess for some reason and Spence on the other side who can't even get on the bench.
I think Perisic and Bissouma both represent significant upgrades on what we have (assuming Conte eventually has faith) but elsewhere we've signed benchwarmers. Don't get me wrong, that's great. It adds depth and competition but imagine there's a cup final now. Who plays? The same first eleven front last season. That's the only issue I have. We've got a bigger squad, not a better team and when you're reluctant to rotate as Conte often is, it doesn't make us an awful lot better.
I've got a feeling this is going to come up tonight on MNF. Carragher alluded to this issue yesterday. He found it odd that with so many new signings, none of them have made the starting eleven in the first two games.
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Do you not think its good management to reward those who helped us get top 4 to start the season as first choice ? Im sure they are well aware of competition for their places. Let’s me honest, the new players are yet to do anything at Spurs, It’s a smart way to stop expectation and the pressure being on them from the start. It also allows the new players time to adjust to their new team mates. Perhaps if we handled the likes of GLC & NDombele in a similar manner their Spurs careers may have played out differently….. Regardless, If someone had offer us us a 3 goal win Vs Saints and a draw at the Bridge 2 weeks ago I’d have bitten your hand off
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Chelsea got top four last season as well. Didn't stop them starting three new signings.
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The reason why they started all three is because Sterling, Cucurella (who I thought looked brilliant) and Koulibaly are quite clearly better than who they had originally in those positions.
Now you could argue that they've taken the place of Werner, Rudiger and Chilwell but no one can say they're not upgrades. It's clear they are.
I trust the process at Spurs but I wish fans would be more honest rather than moulding a narrative that makes our transfer policy more palatable. I say we've signed players slightly beneath our current starting eleven whilst others will say it's a deliberate plan to add depth. Both are correct but only one is easier to stomach.
posted on 15/8/22
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
We had a poor day at the office but came away with a draw, which at Stamford Bridge is almost like a win.
However despite a shocking first half in which we could have gone in at half time 3-0 down, we showed much more character in the second half and that is why we nicked a draw, perseverance and effort.
Saturday will tell us us much more about the team and how we get back to winning ways.
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Genius, I cannot see Spurs playing that badly again. For some reason good Spurs players seem to freeze when they face Chelsea. I expect Spurs to get back to winning ways against Chelsea.
posted on 15/8/22
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 25 minutes ago
Conte got his tactics wrong in the first half, he changed it and we got back into the game…. Lots of players didn’t play well (It happens) but they didn’t give up.
We got a couple of dodgy decisions that went our way for a change
Nothing else to say…. Chelsea were FAR better, they are a really good team but its a great point away from home
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Just to remind you that Chelsea had lost four of their previous five prem games, which suggests they are far from a really good team. Spurs with their gutless performance made them look good.
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That’s an absurd comment, you’re talking about their form at the end of last season, when they’d secured top 4 and had the issues ongoing with their owner being sanctioned. Totally irrelevant to a new season. Look at that Chelsea 11 on paper and apart from the fact they don’t have a proper striker it was very very good. They played with a point to prove as the media had been writing them off, and we still managed to nick a point which any sane person would argue is a decent return from Stamford Bridge. Win our next two games against Wolves and Forest and it’ll be a solid start - but people will still be whinging.
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Ace, Spurs did what they always do make Cheksea look like world beaters. Guaranteed most teams in the Prem will give Chelsea a better game than Spurs did yesterday. It is astonishing how Spurs players just do not perform when they play Chelsea, but they do when they play Man City.
Not saying it wasn't a good point. But Arsenal have won over there two years on the spin, and Spurs have just one win in 31 visits. It's a mental thing.
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Our record there is appalling but we got a draw and showed the mentality to be able to get something when not playing well, that's what's important. It's not as if we are going to play well in every game, what team does that?
Also, we beat City twice last season whereas Arsenal haven't beaten them home or away in the league since 2015. I mean we've even beat Chelsea at their place since then.
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Spurtle not complaining about the draw, just the way the players freeze when they play Chelsea. I think the commentator said Chelsea have only won nine home games in each of the past two seasons. So why does a decent Spurs side always struggle when they play them?
posted on 15/8/22
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
We haven't brought any 'superstars' in who walk into our first 11. But I don't think that was ever part of the plan, it was to provide greater strength in depth and have players who could push for a starting spot.
I do think over the coming months we'll see Lenglet, Bissouma, and Perisic establish themselves as first choice. Richarlison will get regular game time to keep things fresh. Spence needs to prove himself etc......
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This would be more relevant if we didn't have a good team already. We're not going to get anyone who forces Kane, Son or Kulu to the bench at the moment. Then you have Bentancur, Romero and Lloris who are all strong starters, with Dier and Hojbjerg in good form too. Bissouma could arguably start ahead of Hojbjerg so that's 1. That's most of the team with the exception of the full back positions where you could bring someone in more likely to start than the others, although Spence may well have the potential to.
Besides, we have proven with Kulu and Bentancur that you don't need to get "superstars". There are no guarantees they'll work out as United are finding out, and as we have found out before i.e. Ndombele.
The business we've done is fine. If we get 1 or 2 more it will be perfect but I am very satisfied with what we've done, I don't know why others aren't either given how we have usually conducted our transfer windows in the past. We have largely improved our squad which by the way helped us to a point that we ordinarily wouldn't get.
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The business we've done is fine but for the second game straight, none of our new players are deemed good enough to start.
We all knew our greatest deficiency was at both wingback positions. We've signed Perisic who, despite knowing the Conte way, isn't getting in ahead of Sess for some reason and Spence on the other side who can't even get on the bench.
I think Perisic and Bissouma both represent significant upgrades on what we have (assuming Conte eventually has faith) but elsewhere we've signed benchwarmers. Don't get me wrong, that's great. It adds depth and competition but imagine there's a cup final now. Who plays? The same first eleven front last season. That's the only issue I have. We've got a bigger squad, not a better team and when you're reluctant to rotate as Conte often is, it doesn't make us an awful lot better.
I've got a feeling this is going to come up tonight on MNF. Carragher alluded to this issue yesterday. He found it odd that with so many new signings, none of them have made the starting eleven in the first two games.
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Do you not think its good management to reward those who helped us get top 4 to start the season as first choice ? Im sure they are well aware of competition for their places. Let’s me honest, the new players are yet to do anything at Spurs, It’s a smart way to stop expectation and the pressure being on them from the start. It also allows the new players time to adjust to their new team mates. Perhaps if we handled the likes of GLC & NDombele in a similar manner their Spurs careers may have played out differently….. Regardless, If someone had offer us us a 3 goal win Vs Saints and a draw at the Bridge 2 weeks ago I’d have bitten your hand off
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Chelsea got top four last season as well. Didn't stop them starting three new signings.
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Don’t see how that’s relevant
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Well it was you that said Conte was rewarding those that got top four. So why did Tuchel not do the same then?
posted on 15/8/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
We had a poor day at the office but came away with a draw, which at Stamford Bridge is almost like a win.
However despite a shocking first half in which we could have gone in at half time 3-0 down, we showed much more character in the second half and that is why we nicked a draw, perseverance and effort.
Saturday will tell us us much more about the team and how we get back to winning ways.
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Genius, I cannot see Spurs playing that badly again. For some reason good Spurs players seem to freeze when they face Chelsea. I expect Spurs to get back to winning ways against Chelsea.
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We were outplayed Sandy. We played badly because Chelsea tactically outfought us. Things only changed when Conte took Sess off for Richarlison. It's not down to the players. If anyone deserves criticism it's Conte for setting us up to be overrun in midfield. You have to give credit where it's due. Chelsea did a proper number on us by flooding the midfield and man-marking Son the way they did.
posted on 15/8/22
We can easily see why we haven’t started any of the new signings though.
Perisic - came to us injured. Missed half of pre season
Bissouma - Got covid and then picked up a injury
Richarlison - suspended & we have a top front 3
Forster - back up
Lenglet - back up / injured
Spence - one for the future
posted on 15/8/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
We had a poor day at the office but came away with a draw, which at Stamford Bridge is almost like a win.
However despite a shocking first half in which we could have gone in at half time 3-0 down, we showed much more character in the second half and that is why we nicked a draw, perseverance and effort.
Saturday will tell us us much more about the team and how we get back to winning ways.
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Genius, I cannot see Spurs playing that badly again. For some reason good Spurs players seem to freeze when they face Chelsea. I expect Spurs to get back to winning ways against Chelsea.
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Sorry should have said Wolves.
posted on 15/8/22
comment by MK (U9129)
posted 53 minutes ago
We can easily see why we haven’t started any of the new signings though.
Perisic - came to us injured. Missed half of pre season
Bissouma - Got covid and then picked up a injury
Richarlison - suspended & we have a top front 3
Forster - back up
Lenglet - back up / injured
Spence - one for the future
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MK, I get that. But I reckon at least three will start against Wolves.
posted on 15/8/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by MK (U9129)
posted 53 minutes ago
We can easily see why we haven’t started any of the new signings though.
Perisic - came to us injured. Missed half of pre season
Bissouma - Got covid and then picked up a injury
Richarlison - suspended & we have a top front 3
Forster - back up
Lenglet - back up / injured
Spence - one for the future
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MK, I get that. But I reckon at least three will start against Wolves.
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Yes as the season goes on and their fitness get better they’ll start more.
Only can see perisic starting soon though