Rant

What's the harm in trying to improve the atmosphere?

What's the harm in trying to improve the atmosphere?

Nothing at all,but please learn some new chants,yours are so boring.

Groovy

Have you heard your fans recently?

All you sing is Arsenal over and over..

Oh and your still obsessed with RVP..

Hypocrite..

The best away support in the Premier League.

The best away support in the Premier League.

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We are Tottenham from the lane

It was a bit rantish I admit, ive no problem with improving the atmosphere, just im not convinced the 'ultra' style support would achieve it. Raise the volume when the team need a lift or when the team is dominating. Really the support should be aimed at helping the team first, improving the experience of supporters second

Really the support should be aimed at helping the team first

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Did you go to spurs v wigan? Did the fans get behind the team? No. The only noise was for booing.


Secondly, without the fans there is no club, so I would suggest that what fans feel/want is of paramount importance

I sat in the south lower and thought the 1882 boys made the atmosphere. Positivity feeds through to the players.

During the Wigan game people around me were whinging after 20 mins. I applaud the 1882 movement for their relentless positivity. It really does improve the atmosphere.

I didnt go, saw the whole match though and the performance was so insipid im not surprised the atmosphere was low. But yes you have me there, more support might have helped the team, bit naive of me there.
However on your second point i think you are being naive, football clubs know fans will not desert them for another team. Therefore what fans feel/want is of minimal importance

Fans won't change clubs but fans will stop going. I know spurs fans who no longer go because they don't enjoy it. And they had gone for years. Infect my dad is the perfect example. He doesn't go any more. Nor does my uncle. Ever. And big clubs like villa can't even sell out any more....

do your dad and uncle still watch on sky though? which brings in more money, tv or turnstiles? Sad as it is the attending fan is now secondary (at best) in the interests of the club. And returning to a previous point I do not in any way think booing the team is right, but unconditional love is not necessarily helpful either.
On a sidenote i wonder whether booing at football has any correlation to the x-factor style reality programs. It seems pantomime boos emerged in football en masse at roughly the same time people decided saying a rubbish singer was rubbish deserved opprobrium. Cultural sense of entitlement? oh god ive gone all psuedo.....and gone on too long.... i hate me so very much sometimes

I mean in my original post i accused others of being pretentious, then use opprobrium as a word in pontificating (<-i know that makes it worse) about booing's cultural origin? I know im a tawt. But stand by my original post apart from the hypocritical pretentious bit. so there

Voice I was with you until you started talking bollix

I rarely get the chance to go to a Spurs game these days but some of my best football memories are of games at WHL watching us play teams such as the mighty Dundalk on European nights. To you this may sound like a carp fixture but I recall the crowd being massively up for the game and the atmosphere being electric, something that's often sadly lacking these days.

All credit to the likes of 1882, Chronic etc, for doing their best in trying to resurect this sort of atmosphere.

I guess you have to have been there and seen it for yourself to miss it.

The atmosphere at a ground is not only generated by the fans the team plays a big part and for as long as I can remember at WHL when the team has not played well the atmosphere is flat.

The atmosphere is generated by the excitement/tension of the game and in my opinion should be pretty spontaneous not organised.

I sing yes but I sing when I want to and thats how it should be. When we are clinging on to a slender lead and under pressure me and the people around me are normally to busy biting our damned nails to worry about singing.

And before some bright spark like chronic suggests that I go to the west stand I am and always have been shelfside.

I take the same approach on away games, sometimes I am singing and at other times I am to busy watching the game to think about it.

Virtually everybody there has paid for their ticket and surely its up to them how they watch the game ?

Mind you to be fair (and I am not having a go) half the people that are singing their heads off are well drunk and if you asked them about the game the next day you are lucky if they know the scorers let alone what else happened

Mind you I suppose that does account for some of the comments on this forum

Grandspurs

I honestly think it comes down to expectations. At home, we expect to win and fans tend to turn up just to see what they expect, a win. You can feel relief from the fried if we score, instead of sheer jubilation.

Away games are a whole different ball game. Less expectation, more loyal fans = better atmosphere.

The Arsenal fan who said they have the best away support in the League is wrong too. Yes, they are decent, but the best?! I honestly disagree with that regardless of rivalry. Spurs are far louder, Iv had Liverpool fans, United fans, West Ham fans all confirm this.

I honestly think it comes down to expectations. At home, we expect to win and fans tend to turn up just to see what they expect, a win.

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we should we expect to win. we are spurs not barcelona, and the prem is a serious league. you have to respect all opposition or you will get turned over.

recent defeats to sides like norwich and wigan tell us this

who is this muppet

worst article ever


You must be one of the prawn sandwich brigade who has a kip during games ,

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However on your second point i think you are being naive, football clubs know fans will not desert them for another team. Therefore what fans feel/want is of minimal importance



is that why after talking to the fans the club decided to reduce the capacity of the new stadium by 4000 so they could have1 tier behind the goal

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Granspurs

So the fans that sing are normally drunk and dont remember the game

yes they prob had a few in the pub but if i remember my days in the corner pin we would have about 6-8 pints before the game to leave room for lots more after so rarely drunk at the game itslelf.. yes it does losen the lips and make you sing and shout more but do you really think the team would even bother comin gonto the pitch if everyone sat there like lemons

Voiceofreason (U10662)

I don't think you quite understand the reason behind the 1882 movement, it's unity through following Spurs, singing, creating an atmosphere. If you don't like what they do or what they stand for then guess what..

Don't comment on it

Thudd......

really wound me up when i saw this article this morning
what a idiot

Plank, he's probably from another era when we were winning league titles and FA Cups, it's a different time where the expectations are high and the fans can easily turn if we are playing bad

I'm all for the 1882 Movement especially at NextGen level, must be great for the young lads to hear when playing