comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 23 seconds ago
Why would getting in Artetas head make us more petulant and less committed?
Surely kicking us would do that more effectively, so long as they can get away with it
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Because I suspect he will make it an issue and prepare for it whereas a more experienced coach may prepare the team to ignore it and not complain to the referee. Its seems the more you moan to them the more belligerent they get.
All our hopes the season hang on Auba scoring the few chances he gets. Anything else and we won’t finish top half.
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 2 minutes ago
Unfortunately that's the time we live in, where people just have to have extreme opinions to seem interesting.
I try and look at issues each on their own merit without bias but sometimes people are talking such rubbish that by default it sends me the other way just to argue with them (not saying you're talking rubbish, this time)
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Or that it is so bad and it is all connected that one cannot fathom how bad it is and you begin to tune out. At that point you just clutch to anything to make you feel that you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I felt like that about Trump at times.
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Maybe, I sometimes wonder if that's just our nature to glorify the past though. Although in the Arsenal context the contrasts are night and day.
Nostalgia is truly one of the great human weaknesses, second only to the neck.
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You see what you see as nostalgia I see as expectation. In my opinion we rightly didn't give Emery a second chance because you could see he was not producing but are ignoring it for Arteta.
You see what you see as nostalgia I see as expectation. In my opinion we rightly didn't give Emery a second chance because you could see he was not producing but are ignoring it for Arteta.
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That's fair, I guess you could argue it is based on much lower expectations in the short term though given the plan we supposedly have, as opposed to nostalgia for his time as a player.
Never really easy to know with Arsenal though
We did give Emery a 2nd chance. He should have been sacked after the Europey final. Artitler is long past his 2nd chance. He could have been sacked 4 or 5 times by now.
We should have known what was coming when he convinced Xhaka not to go to Berlin
Think the pandemic saved him
If we're awful in next two games and then Vieira comes to town, followed by Emi in the same week... The toxic atmosphere will be enough to see him gone
If you remember about Emery, it wasn't just results but the lack of people in the ground for the Frankfurt game that did it
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 51 seconds ago
You see what you see as nostalgia I see as expectation. In my opinion we rightly didn't give Emery a second chance because you could see he was not producing but are ignoring it for Arteta.
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That's fair, I guess you could argue it is based on much lower expectations in the short term though given the plan we supposedly have, as opposed to nostalgia for his time as a player.
Never really easy to know with Arsenal though
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I think there is no such thing as short term failure for long term success. In reality you can succeed in the short term albeit small victories, as well as laying the ground work for something more solid long term. All the top managers are able to do that. Wenger did, Graham did etc.
I think for example Lampard would still be in a job at Arsenal because he was able to play exciting football even though it was not winning football. It would have still been the wrong thing to do but at least you could see a pattern of play and a style developing. I don't even see that with Arteta.
Home loss to Burnley in the middle of a run where we took 5/30 points available.
Losing to Villareal.
Finishing last season in 8th with no trophy of European football.
The laughable start to this season.
It’s incredible how many sackable offences he’s survived.
Shame we can't export the toxic atmosphere to the US because I am convinced the hierarchy in UK wanted him gone last summer.
And so I am not so sure anymore that counting defeats will do anything.
Well if you look at what did it for Wenger and Emery it seems falling gate receipts is a key indicator
Which is why I spent 2.5k to keep big Mikel on board 🤝
comment by “GiVe HiM TiL nOvEmBeR” (U18355)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
All our hopes the season hang on Auba scoring the few chances he gets. Anything else and we won’t finish top half.
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So basically we are facked.
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
By getting Arteta sacked?
4D chess
Wouldve given titler a chance if had just facked xhaka off and brought in a good midfielder.
But he made his bed, he can lie in it now.
What if he drops Xhaka to 3rd/4th choice tho
What if he wins the league tho too
Tbf the home loss to Burnley was Xhaka's fault.
comment by King TUt - I Need a Hiro (U3732)
posted 5 minutes ago
Tbf the home loss to Burnley was Xhaka's fault.
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It was and to risk J99 coming out from under his bridge, how was that a red card and the punch on chambers against city not even worthy of calling the goal off?
If that punch on Chambers face was given as a foul then that goal would have been ruled out. Anyone here, hand on heart, is going to tell me that we wouldn't have got spanked by City anyway? Anyone going to tell me that we would have created more chances had that goal been ruled out?
It holds the refs to account. But they're allowed to get away with it against us.
I see it as a separate issue anyway.
Sorry, what holds the refs to account?
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posted on 17/9/21
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 23 seconds ago
Why would getting in Artetas head make us more petulant and less committed?
Surely kicking us would do that more effectively, so long as they can get away with it
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Because I suspect he will make it an issue and prepare for it whereas a more experienced coach may prepare the team to ignore it and not complain to the referee. Its seems the more you moan to them the more belligerent they get.
posted on 17/9/21
All our hopes the season hang on Auba scoring the few chances he gets. Anything else and we won’t finish top half.
posted on 17/9/21
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 2 minutes ago
Unfortunately that's the time we live in, where people just have to have extreme opinions to seem interesting.
I try and look at issues each on their own merit without bias but sometimes people are talking such rubbish that by default it sends me the other way just to argue with them (not saying you're talking rubbish, this time)
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Or that it is so bad and it is all connected that one cannot fathom how bad it is and you begin to tune out. At that point you just clutch to anything to make you feel that you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I felt like that about Trump at times.
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Maybe, I sometimes wonder if that's just our nature to glorify the past though. Although in the Arsenal context the contrasts are night and day.
Nostalgia is truly one of the great human weaknesses, second only to the neck.
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You see what you see as nostalgia I see as expectation. In my opinion we rightly didn't give Emery a second chance because you could see he was not producing but are ignoring it for Arteta.
posted on 17/9/21
You see what you see as nostalgia I see as expectation. In my opinion we rightly didn't give Emery a second chance because you could see he was not producing but are ignoring it for Arteta.
_____________________
That's fair, I guess you could argue it is based on much lower expectations in the short term though given the plan we supposedly have, as opposed to nostalgia for his time as a player.
Never really easy to know with Arsenal though
posted on 17/9/21
We did give Emery a 2nd chance. He should have been sacked after the Europey final. Artitler is long past his 2nd chance. He could have been sacked 4 or 5 times by now.
posted on 17/9/21
We should have known what was coming when he convinced Xhaka not to go to Berlin
posted on 17/9/21
Think the pandemic saved him
If we're awful in next two games and then Vieira comes to town, followed by Emi in the same week... The toxic atmosphere will be enough to see him gone
If you remember about Emery, it wasn't just results but the lack of people in the ground for the Frankfurt game that did it
posted on 17/9/21
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 51 seconds ago
You see what you see as nostalgia I see as expectation. In my opinion we rightly didn't give Emery a second chance because you could see he was not producing but are ignoring it for Arteta.
_____________________
That's fair, I guess you could argue it is based on much lower expectations in the short term though given the plan we supposedly have, as opposed to nostalgia for his time as a player.
Never really easy to know with Arsenal though
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I think there is no such thing as short term failure for long term success. In reality you can succeed in the short term albeit small victories, as well as laying the ground work for something more solid long term. All the top managers are able to do that. Wenger did, Graham did etc.
I think for example Lampard would still be in a job at Arsenal because he was able to play exciting football even though it was not winning football. It would have still been the wrong thing to do but at least you could see a pattern of play and a style developing. I don't even see that with Arteta.
posted on 17/9/21
Home loss to Burnley in the middle of a run where we took 5/30 points available.
Losing to Villareal.
Finishing last season in 8th with no trophy of European football.
The laughable start to this season.
It’s incredible how many sackable offences he’s survived.
posted on 17/9/21
Shame we can't export the toxic atmosphere to the US because I am convinced the hierarchy in UK wanted him gone last summer.
And so I am not so sure anymore that counting defeats will do anything.
posted on 17/9/21
Well if you look at what did it for Wenger and Emery it seems falling gate receipts is a key indicator
Which is why I spent 2.5k to keep big Mikel on board 🤝
posted on 17/9/21
comment by “GiVe HiM TiL nOvEmBeR” (U18355)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
All our hopes the season hang on Auba scoring the few chances he gets. Anything else and we won’t finish top half.
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So basically we are facked.
posted on 17/9/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/9/21
By getting Arteta sacked?
4D chess
posted on 17/9/21
From his sofa
posted on 17/9/21
Wouldve given titler a chance if had just facked xhaka off and brought in a good midfielder.
But he made his bed, he can lie in it now.
posted on 17/9/21
What if he drops Xhaka to 3rd/4th choice tho
posted on 17/9/21
What if he wins the league tho too
posted on 17/9/21
Tbf the home loss to Burnley was Xhaka's fault.
posted on 17/9/21
Sean Dyche is a
posted on 17/9/21
comment by King TUt - I Need a Hiro (U3732)
posted 5 minutes ago
Tbf the home loss to Burnley was Xhaka's fault.
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It was and to risk J99 coming out from under his bridge, how was that a red card and the punch on chambers against city not even worthy of calling the goal off?
posted on 17/9/21
How does it even matter?
posted on 17/9/21
If that punch on Chambers face was given as a foul then that goal would have been ruled out. Anyone here, hand on heart, is going to tell me that we wouldn't have got spanked by City anyway? Anyone going to tell me that we would have created more chances had that goal been ruled out?
posted on 17/9/21
It holds the refs to account. But they're allowed to get away with it against us.
I see it as a separate issue anyway.
posted on 17/9/21
Sorry, what holds the refs to account?
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