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What is England Cricket success down to?

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posted on 15/8/11

Getting off their backsides and training as hard as the opposition were and when they achieved that that went one step further and kept it going.
A healthy body a healthy mind.....

comment by Pox (U2677)

posted on 15/8/11

One possible reason could be that other sides are in a transition or semi-trans.But they are good too.

posted on 15/8/11

One possible reason could be that other sides are in a transition or semi-trans
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is there an accepted definition of "semi-trans" ?

posted on 15/8/11

Wait for it folks.........the old (un-fair ranking system) will be coming out before you can say India were thrashed.....

posted on 15/8/11

Yes they have done a lot of hardwork in the gym but also they have been working hard & putting the hours & effort in the practice/training sessions. Looking to improve thier batting, sharping up their bowling & also looking to improve their fielding too!

Their diet & very healthy & nutritiously good & healthy which also helps themperform to their maximum on the pitch. Id rather have what Alistair Cook has than any 'indigestive' curry! (No Offence)

Also England do not over-celebrate. In 2005 they over-celebrated massively but in 2009 & 2010 they kept the celebrations & bragging rights very 'low-key'.
It seems a sensible approach to not take whatever goings on, good or bad on the field off! (If that makes sense) A professional approach.

There is on other aspect but i think its not right for me to include.

posted on 15/8/11

Grande......does it involve the good women folk being on tours.....

comment by Pox (U2677)

posted on 15/8/11

"Wait for it folks.........the old (un-fair ranking system) will be coming out before you can say India were thrashed"

I was trying to defend the thrashing Aus got but I guess they were just pathetic then haha

posted on 15/8/11

Rabbitohs

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Something along them lines but i was think more of a settled personal & family (& maybe ***) life!

Away from the cricket they seem majority of them time stay away from the headlines etc!
A professional life on & off the pitch!

posted on 15/8/11

A bit like Warney and Tiger....perhaps...

posted on 15/8/11

Poxy, in fact they were pathetic, you hit the nail right on the head......just remember....those fingers you trod on going up the ladder are the same ones you meet when you are coming back down....

comment by Pox (U2677)

posted on 15/8/11

I am sure them english got taken care of by the locals , not as much as Warne shuffles through Lizzy's garden though

posted on 15/8/11

dont try to be too scientific people, just enjoy the good time and thank the team and management for the sincere efforts they have been putting in. we all remember during aussie days of domination, everyone was all praise to their board, their domestic circuit, the way talent was being pollished and supplied to the international team on regular basis. Now they have the same resouces but hardly any effectiveness. we just saw after the few big names retired it created a huge gap and now they are all in a mess seriously. I mean trying a new spinner every tour and stuff like that, ponting's shown his frustration publically etc.

Similarly a few days back people were all praise to bcci's brain child of IPL. It was thought that indian domestic players get a great exposure when they play along the best names in world cricket and it was percieved as (one of) the main reason for supremacy of indian cricket, its ironic to see the same tournament is being blamed for this plight of indian cricket.

I do not overrule the factors you have mentioned, definitely flower's coaching and strauss' captaincy jas done wonders to this english side and this has only been possible due to sincere efforts of the whole team and management, yet we have seen in past the same factors sometimes click as well as they dont.

comment by rich1uk (U5168)

posted on 15/8/11

central contracts and the structure that is now in place starting with the performance squad onto the lions then the full team has been huge imo

cant remember where i read this earlier but it was said that this structure allows the selectors and management to get a much better look at players not just as cricketers but also their attitude to training, their mental strength and their temprament. this means we are not just picking players purely on numbers or on the back of a good few weeks but they are part of a longer term strategy to prepare them for international cricket.

comment by Pox (U2677)

posted on 15/8/11

"Their diet & very healthy & nutritiously good & healthy which also helps themperform to their maximum on the pitch."

yes certainly , also the carefully selected smooth fabric of their underpants helps alleviate perspiration and thus greater circulation of blood haha
It is funny to see all these silly reasons put forth in hindsight.
Like no other team had a system of central contracts ! As if no other team has a backroom staff.

Truth is england happened to have eleven men in goodform.God knows when this purple patch will end..

comment by rich1uk (U5168)

posted on 16/8/11

getting the right eleven guys in good form is not as easy as you make it sound

the fact that the selectors have invested in players and supported them in the right way makes a huge difference, and as i said above what we have seen is players being ready for international cricket when they get their chance

its one thing having a system of central contracts but its how you then use that "power" to develop individuals and the team thats been the key

the BCCI have all their players under central contracts as well , so why weren't they able to ensure that their players and their team was well prepared and ready for this series, which is obviously has not been

CA has their players under central contract so why did we see the shambles we did last winter with absolutely no continuity in selection, especially amongst their bowlers, and guys being thrown into test cricket who were quite clearly not ready to play at that level

posted on 16/8/11

Pox, you might try a spoonful of sugar to help that very bitter medicine go down.....

posted on 16/8/11

I think that the ECB take a great deal of care and planning identifying future talent as well - something that has allowed some of todays team to prosper

posted on 16/8/11

I think the ECB have done a fantastic job. A few years ago, maybe 10 years ago, the ECB identified our lack of leg spinners, and good spinners really along with good fast bowling options. We are now reaping the benefits of the work that was put into place then.
I think a lot of credit has to go to Nasser Hussain for getting the ball rolling on this and the steel he added to the England team.

posted on 16/8/11

Agreed Dolly - I have just mentioneds something similar on another thread - Fletcher had a lot to do with both your points as well

posted on 16/8/11

Yeah fair call, not a huge fan of Fletcher but yes he does deserve credit, along with Hussain, in the job they did in setting the ECB off in the right direction. Two very strong willed men who shouted until people listened.

posted on 16/8/11

It is funny to see all these silly reasons put forth in hindsight.
Like no other team had a system of central contracts ! As if no other team has a backroom staff.

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Just an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pEpUvajHqA&feature=relmfu

Im into fitness myself & take sports supplements with a healthy diet.

Above all England were a LOT MORE motivated in the current series with India than India are!

To do well in any sport - You have to be motivated & put the effort in training in which hopefully it will pay its dividends on the pitch

posted on 16/8/11

Interesting article from the Daily Mail regarding England Backroom Staffs:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2026404/Meet-Englands-backroom-cricket-staff.html

Check for yourselves!

posted on 4/10/17

Gollum

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