A draw that felt like a loss, to be honest though were you shocked?Instead of going for a third goal, we start defending too deep.The second half display was good after they scored..... First half we were playing for a 0-0 or snatch one on the break.I have all but given up, so I will take the point and move on.
We are not down yet but I am just not expecting anything.So a point today is a bonus!!!!
He took Cambiasso off because with Schlupp and Mahrez gone and Cambiasso legs gone we were getting at that time being overran in midfield not getting a kick all Everton, he tried to get some new legs in there but they still scored *h1t happens. I have to agree though that Cambiasso was the best player on the pitch again and maybe we should have taken Kramaric off for King.
Cambiasso for next manager I say....
NP almost brought home all 3 points today !
Undone by;
Schlupp, missing sitter,
Cambo's legs going.
A deflected goal against,
An own goal,
Very little rub of the green this season.
You have not gone mad. We all agree three points were a must today - we did not get them after looking very likely to with 5 to go.
Therefore we should all be disappointed.
However, don't underestimate Cambiasso's contribution today, and also don't underestimate how tired he looked with 20 to go. He was dead on his feet along with Kramaric and it was just a shame we didn't have 2 subs left. He was goosed.
Also, what an impact Vardy made. Class today and such a shame he looks to have picked up an injury.
Our biggest downfall today was once again failing to take decent chances. And sorry, but you can't blame Pearson for that.
We are down. But I won't give up hope.
RIP- Terry Orton
It is only a game................
Down, more like a point closer to safety!!
Villa, Burnley and QPR still there for the taking with other surprise teams in the mix
Theres no doubt Cambiasso was tired - BUT - even out on his feet, he was still closing people down and offering the protection to the back 4 that King wouldn't do.
Unless you have a like for like replacement - with just 5 minutes to go, you have to keep your man of the match on the field. I've seen players stay on who are limping with an injury and they've still made a difference. He wasn't that bad and could have finished the game.....thats a Pearson mistake.
I dont blame NP for us failing to take chances Mersey, I do however question the 1 shot on target we mustered up in the first half (Schlupps on 2 mins) because Kramaric was stuck up front on his own.....again.
It took for Everton to score for Pearson to react - again......
Agree BS. 5-3-1 is pointless if we want to win
Kramaric looks more likely of winning the lottery than getting a chance on goal in that formation.
Weirdly, we looked quite good in our random 5-2-2-1 formation second half.
Nugent was the difference. Fact.
BS
Couldn't disagree with you more, we could all see that Cambiasso was being carried more and more towards the end of the game. Also please tell me what King failed to do in the build up to the Upson OG that Cambiasso on one leg would have done?
Matter of opinion as normal BS but all those around me agreed with the substitution.
As for the first half, stifle them, get the crowd on their back, you can't win a game in the first half but you can sure as hell give yourself a big mountain to climb.
Funny how people thought it was a good formation against Arsenal, then against Villa peolle said it should only be used against the better teams or away from home. That's what NP did and he still gets criticised.......
Sometimes have to wonder if people want to moan just for the sheer hell of it.
We could have had a couple in the first half but for individual poor finishing. Is that NP's fault too?
NP realised Schlupp and Mahrez were not influencing the game in the second half and replaced them which led to us scoring 2 in 8 minutes.
Good substitution by NP?
I must have imagined us being camped on the edge of our own box for ten minutes before King came on, and the glorious chances that Lukaku wasted during that time before finally getting a lucky deflection off Upson.
Also, I understand that Matt Elliott named Wes Morgan as his MOTM. Can someone explain that to me beyond simple defenders' solidarity?
Huge difference between playing away at Arsenal and away against a Villa team who were on a horrendous goaless run and against Everton who aren't sitting too far away from the relegation places themselves. Even you were starting question NP last week on that one Tommy.
I don't actually see Everton as one of the sides we should be playing that formation against. Arsenal are a top 4 side who can turn you over in an instant - Everton have struggled all season and today showed that they were very much beatable.
The 5-4-1 is existing for the purpose of protecting Morgan who is being picked week on week while Wasilewski sits on the bench. Does that make sense to you?
I've already said the Vardy and Nugent subs were good substations - credit where its due - but the amount of people questioning the Cambiasso sub on twitter speaks volumes. You said he was out on his feet - didn't stop him surging into the box to score a goal on 70 minutes.....
Like I said, Cambiasso wasn't limping, yet he was tiring but still keeping Everton at bay. His protection of the back 5 was crucial and King offers no such protection. You are essentially taking off a defensive mid for an attacking one with 5 mins to go when you are 2-1 away at Everton. Surely you can see that has the potential to give some impetus to the home side?
You cant have it both ways Tommy lad - NP praised for the subs because immediate goals followed, but absolved of blame for another sub in which an immediate goal followed.
Sometimes I wonder if people want to just back Pearson for the sake of it....
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 6 minutes ago
I must have imagined us being camped on the edge of our own box for ten minutes before King came on, and the glorious chances that Lukaku wasted during that time before finally getting a lucky deflection off Upson.
Also, I understand that Matt Elliott named Wes Morgan as his MOTM. Can someone explain that to me beyond simple defenders' solidarity?
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Hang on - are you suggesting somehow that because we were dropping deeper (as is natural for a bottom club leading away from home desperate for 3 points) that it somehow makes sense to bring on an attacking mid for a tired but experience defensive one who is playing out of his skin?
There was an element of fortune in the goal but if you watch it again, nearly everyone is camped inside the penalty area, no one is closing down the ball (as Cambiasso was doing) which allows time and space for the winger to be picked out and put a ball in the box.
Yes we were unlucky but I do think the King decision was poor
BS. Whilst I think that King's best position is attacking mid. He's not purely an attacking midfielder.
I understood the decision.
The decision had no bearing on the goal - Everton had better chances that they squandered before it. And the Everton midfield had all the time they wanted before that. There wasn't anything wrong with that substitution.
You cant say that decision definitely had no bearing on the goal, you couldn't possibly know that.
Sure Everton could have killed the game, but taking off a tired but very experienced defensive leader who is pressing evertons midfield and replacing him with a championship quality attacking mid wont have helped
If you watch Cambiasso you understand that he organises those around him in a way King wouldnt.
Anyway, enjoy the point, i hear TB and Tommy are cracking open the champagne
"He wasn't that bad and could have finished the game.....thats a Pearson mistake. "
And if he got injured due to fatigue and missed the rest of the season, who's fault would that have been?
"You take him off and bring on a player in King who is an attacking player. He wont perform the same role therefore suddenly everton will be afforded more time and space which actually led to the goal"
Erm, Everton are losing at home and throwing the kitchen sink at us, nearly every player in our half and you're worrying about a description of the player brought on to replace a player those at the game have described as "on his knees"?
comment by BlackStarr (U12353)
posted 26 minutes ago
Anyway, enjoy the point, i hear TB and Tommy are cracking open the champagne
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BS
Attempting to be funny doesn't suit you.
We are still bottom so why on earth would I break open the Champagne?
Just because my opinion of the game from the stands differs from yours there is no need to attempt to diminish any opinions that are different to yours.
Some think it's a good point, some think it's 2 lost.
Some think NP got 95% right today, some don't.
You mention earlier about the feeling that some want to back NP just for the sake of it, well it feels the same from the other side of the fence. Even when things go right certain people want to drag him down, whether deserved or not.
No manager gets things right 100% of the time, but maybe if NP consulted you then you would be happy 😉
Considering the player we are taking off is the best player on the park by a country mile and is performing a key role, then yeah im concerned about who we are bringing on to replace him. If it were hammond for eg (who it obviously couldnt have been) then not as concerned as its like for like and he will pressure from the front
Tommy give over, youre as bad as the rest of us. Ive seen you say worse to Nev so dont make out you don't have a pop at people you dont agree with, even tongue in cheek....
Holier than thou certainly doesnt suit you..!
It certainly feels like a loss rather than a point gained! Whilst I don't think it would do any good to ditch NP now I have no confidence at all in his leadership any more. How he can continue to play Schwarzer instead of Hamer beggars belief, not to mention Wes Morgan, and Albrighton can't even make the bench???
He obviously has some issues there. If he continues like this, stubbornly ignoring players who have shown they have what it takes, and playing his "favourites", then relegation is assured. If he does take the team down then IMO he should NOT be given the chance to take us back up.
comment by BlackStarr (U12353)
posted 11 minutes ago
Tommy give over, youre as bad as the rest of us. Ive seen you say worse to Nev so dont make out you don't have a pop at people you dont agree with, even tongue in cheek....
Holier than thou certainly doesnt suit you..!
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BS
Where have I said I don't have a pop at people?
I will always debate my corner of my opinion as we all do. I have NEVER said that my opinion is right and anyone that disagrees is wrong.
As for holier than thou...... I think not, I would love to be but it doesn't sit well on my shoulders 😉
Btw Blackstarr - in answer to your question - NO you aren't going mad!
Putting things into perspective one of our fellow foxes lost their life at the match today apparently! It's just a game...
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posted on 22/2/15
A draw that felt like a loss, to be honest though were you shocked?Instead of going for a third goal, we start defending too deep.The second half display was good after they scored..... First half we were playing for a 0-0 or snatch one on the break.I have all but given up, so I will take the point and move on.
posted on 22/2/15
We are not down yet but I am just not expecting anything.So a point today is a bonus!!!!
posted on 22/2/15
He took Cambiasso off because with Schlupp and Mahrez gone and Cambiasso legs gone we were getting at that time being overran in midfield not getting a kick all Everton, he tried to get some new legs in there but they still scored *h1t happens. I have to agree though that Cambiasso was the best player on the pitch again and maybe we should have taken Kramaric off for King.
Cambiasso for next manager I say....
posted on 22/2/15
NP almost brought home all 3 points today !
Undone by;
Schlupp, missing sitter,
Cambo's legs going.
A deflected goal against,
An own goal,
Very little rub of the green this season.
posted on 22/2/15
You have not gone mad. We all agree three points were a must today - we did not get them after looking very likely to with 5 to go.
Therefore we should all be disappointed.
However, don't underestimate Cambiasso's contribution today, and also don't underestimate how tired he looked with 20 to go. He was dead on his feet along with Kramaric and it was just a shame we didn't have 2 subs left. He was goosed.
Also, what an impact Vardy made. Class today and such a shame he looks to have picked up an injury.
Our biggest downfall today was once again failing to take decent chances. And sorry, but you can't blame Pearson for that.
We are down. But I won't give up hope.
posted on 22/2/15
RIP- Terry Orton
It is only a game................
posted on 22/2/15
Down, more like a point closer to safety!!
Villa, Burnley and QPR still there for the taking with other surprise teams in the mix
posted on 22/2/15
Theres no doubt Cambiasso was tired - BUT - even out on his feet, he was still closing people down and offering the protection to the back 4 that King wouldn't do.
Unless you have a like for like replacement - with just 5 minutes to go, you have to keep your man of the match on the field. I've seen players stay on who are limping with an injury and they've still made a difference. He wasn't that bad and could have finished the game.....thats a Pearson mistake.
I dont blame NP for us failing to take chances Mersey, I do however question the 1 shot on target we mustered up in the first half (Schlupps on 2 mins) because Kramaric was stuck up front on his own.....again.
It took for Everton to score for Pearson to react - again......
posted on 22/2/15
Agree BS. 5-3-1 is pointless if we want to win
Kramaric looks more likely of winning the lottery than getting a chance on goal in that formation.
Weirdly, we looked quite good in our random 5-2-2-1 formation second half.
Nugent was the difference. Fact.
posted on 22/2/15
BS
Couldn't disagree with you more, we could all see that Cambiasso was being carried more and more towards the end of the game. Also please tell me what King failed to do in the build up to the Upson OG that Cambiasso on one leg would have done?
Matter of opinion as normal BS but all those around me agreed with the substitution.
As for the first half, stifle them, get the crowd on their back, you can't win a game in the first half but you can sure as hell give yourself a big mountain to climb.
Funny how people thought it was a good formation against Arsenal, then against Villa peolle said it should only be used against the better teams or away from home. That's what NP did and he still gets criticised.......
Sometimes have to wonder if people want to moan just for the sheer hell of it.
We could have had a couple in the first half but for individual poor finishing. Is that NP's fault too?
NP realised Schlupp and Mahrez were not influencing the game in the second half and replaced them which led to us scoring 2 in 8 minutes.
Good substitution by NP?
posted on 22/2/15
I must have imagined us being camped on the edge of our own box for ten minutes before King came on, and the glorious chances that Lukaku wasted during that time before finally getting a lucky deflection off Upson.
Also, I understand that Matt Elliott named Wes Morgan as his MOTM. Can someone explain that to me beyond simple defenders' solidarity?
posted on 22/2/15
Huge difference between playing away at Arsenal and away against a Villa team who were on a horrendous goaless run and against Everton who aren't sitting too far away from the relegation places themselves. Even you were starting question NP last week on that one Tommy.
I don't actually see Everton as one of the sides we should be playing that formation against. Arsenal are a top 4 side who can turn you over in an instant - Everton have struggled all season and today showed that they were very much beatable.
The 5-4-1 is existing for the purpose of protecting Morgan who is being picked week on week while Wasilewski sits on the bench. Does that make sense to you?
I've already said the Vardy and Nugent subs were good substations - credit where its due - but the amount of people questioning the Cambiasso sub on twitter speaks volumes. You said he was out on his feet - didn't stop him surging into the box to score a goal on 70 minutes.....
Like I said, Cambiasso wasn't limping, yet he was tiring but still keeping Everton at bay. His protection of the back 5 was crucial and King offers no such protection. You are essentially taking off a defensive mid for an attacking one with 5 mins to go when you are 2-1 away at Everton. Surely you can see that has the potential to give some impetus to the home side?
You cant have it both ways Tommy lad - NP praised for the subs because immediate goals followed, but absolved of blame for another sub in which an immediate goal followed.
Sometimes I wonder if people want to just back Pearson for the sake of it....
posted on 22/2/15
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 6 minutes ago
I must have imagined us being camped on the edge of our own box for ten minutes before King came on, and the glorious chances that Lukaku wasted during that time before finally getting a lucky deflection off Upson.
Also, I understand that Matt Elliott named Wes Morgan as his MOTM. Can someone explain that to me beyond simple defenders' solidarity?
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Hang on - are you suggesting somehow that because we were dropping deeper (as is natural for a bottom club leading away from home desperate for 3 points) that it somehow makes sense to bring on an attacking mid for a tired but experience defensive one who is playing out of his skin?
There was an element of fortune in the goal but if you watch it again, nearly everyone is camped inside the penalty area, no one is closing down the ball (as Cambiasso was doing) which allows time and space for the winger to be picked out and put a ball in the box.
Yes we were unlucky but I do think the King decision was poor
posted on 22/2/15
BS. Whilst I think that King's best position is attacking mid. He's not purely an attacking midfielder.
I understood the decision.
posted on 22/2/15
The decision had no bearing on the goal - Everton had better chances that they squandered before it. And the Everton midfield had all the time they wanted before that. There wasn't anything wrong with that substitution.
posted on 22/2/15
You cant say that decision definitely had no bearing on the goal, you couldn't possibly know that.
Sure Everton could have killed the game, but taking off a tired but very experienced defensive leader who is pressing evertons midfield and replacing him with a championship quality attacking mid wont have helped
If you watch Cambiasso you understand that he organises those around him in a way King wouldnt.
posted on 22/2/15
Anyway, enjoy the point, i hear TB and Tommy are cracking open the champagne
posted on 22/2/15
"He wasn't that bad and could have finished the game.....thats a Pearson mistake. "
And if he got injured due to fatigue and missed the rest of the season, who's fault would that have been?
"You take him off and bring on a player in King who is an attacking player. He wont perform the same role therefore suddenly everton will be afforded more time and space which actually led to the goal"
Erm, Everton are losing at home and throwing the kitchen sink at us, nearly every player in our half and you're worrying about a description of the player brought on to replace a player those at the game have described as "on his knees"?
posted on 22/2/15
comment by BlackStarr (U12353)
posted 26 minutes ago
Anyway, enjoy the point, i hear TB and Tommy are cracking open the champagne
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BS
Attempting to be funny doesn't suit you.
We are still bottom so why on earth would I break open the Champagne?
Just because my opinion of the game from the stands differs from yours there is no need to attempt to diminish any opinions that are different to yours.
Some think it's a good point, some think it's 2 lost.
Some think NP got 95% right today, some don't.
You mention earlier about the feeling that some want to back NP just for the sake of it, well it feels the same from the other side of the fence. Even when things go right certain people want to drag him down, whether deserved or not.
No manager gets things right 100% of the time, but maybe if NP consulted you then you would be happy 😉
posted on 22/2/15
Considering the player we are taking off is the best player on the park by a country mile and is performing a key role, then yeah im concerned about who we are bringing on to replace him. If it were hammond for eg (who it obviously couldnt have been) then not as concerned as its like for like and he will pressure from the front
posted on 22/2/15
Tommy give over, youre as bad as the rest of us. Ive seen you say worse to Nev so dont make out you don't have a pop at people you dont agree with, even tongue in cheek....
Holier than thou certainly doesnt suit you..!
posted on 22/2/15
It certainly feels like a loss rather than a point gained! Whilst I don't think it would do any good to ditch NP now I have no confidence at all in his leadership any more. How he can continue to play Schwarzer instead of Hamer beggars belief, not to mention Wes Morgan, and Albrighton can't even make the bench???
He obviously has some issues there. If he continues like this, stubbornly ignoring players who have shown they have what it takes, and playing his "favourites", then relegation is assured. If he does take the team down then IMO he should NOT be given the chance to take us back up.
posted on 22/2/15
comment by BlackStarr (U12353)
posted 11 minutes ago
Tommy give over, youre as bad as the rest of us. Ive seen you say worse to Nev so dont make out you don't have a pop at people you dont agree with, even tongue in cheek....
Holier than thou certainly doesnt suit you..!
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BS
Where have I said I don't have a pop at people?
I will always debate my corner of my opinion as we all do. I have NEVER said that my opinion is right and anyone that disagrees is wrong.
As for holier than thou...... I think not, I would love to be but it doesn't sit well on my shoulders 😉
posted on 22/2/15
Btw Blackstarr - in answer to your question - NO you aren't going mad!
posted on 22/2/15
Putting things into perspective one of our fellow foxes lost their life at the match today apparently! It's just a game...
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