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posted on 2/4/18

comment by AFTP (U21430)
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Winnie in her own words.
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Did she mention the necklace thing ?

posted on 2/4/18

comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 19 seconds ago
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Winnie in her own words.
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I'm sure Hindley in her own words would post her in a good light.

I liked the bit where Winnie nominated a rapist for President!

posted on 2/4/18

Over 18,000 people murdered in South Africa in 2015!

Anyone fancy a holiday there?

posted on 2/4/18

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://www.google.com.sa/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D-TVPu6qUAJE&ved=0ahUKEwjm4_qukJzaAhWODuwKHRRHDjMQo7QBCCIwAA&usg=AOvVaw1Dh8TGjnO9KqS7UU4CUneZ

Grim viewing. You've been warned.
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That's horrible, just imagine the condemnation had the villains been white. They're no better than Isis.

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comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 10 minutes ago
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Grim viewing. You've been warned.
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So what should they have done? Asked nicely for Aparthied to end? Fack off.
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So the answer is a 20 minute agonising death?

posted on 2/4/18

comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://www.google.com.sa/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D-TVPu6qUAJE&ved=0ahUKEwjm4_qukJzaAhWODuwKHRRHDjMQo7QBCCIwAA&usg=AOvVaw1Dh8TGjnO9KqS7UU4CUneZ

Grim viewing. You've been warned.
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That's horrible, just imagine the condemnation had the villains been white. They're no better than Isis.
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Secured Feedom for Black South Africans though.
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Really? With one of the highest murder rates in the world. The black population are still not looked after, it is just that other black people have the power.

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comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
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comment by AFTP (U21430)
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
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https://www.google.com.sa/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D-TVPu6qUAJE&ved=0ahUKEwjm4_qukJzaAhWODuwKHRRHDjMQo7QBCCIwAA&usg=AOvVaw1Dh8TGjnO9KqS7UU4CUneZ

Grim viewing. You've been warned.
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So what should they have done? Asked nicely for Aparthied to end? Fack off.
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So the answer is a 20 minute agonising death?
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No, it’s awful.

But nothing was going to be given to them, they had to take it.
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So what should be done now? Zuma was stealing so much money it is laughable and I don't see anything changing any time soon.

Are you advocating more violence to gain balance in the country?

posted on 2/4/18

comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
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Grim viewing. You've been warned.
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So what should they have done? Asked nicely for Aparthied to end? Fack off.
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So the answer is a 20 minute agonising death?
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No, it’s awful.

But nothing was going to be given to them, they had to take it.
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It does not mean we justify or condone all methods used to achieve it

posted on 2/4/18

Question.

Name one person that has done more for race equality than any other?

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comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 20 seconds ago
Question.

Name one person that has done more for race equality than any other?
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Martin Luther King.
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Exactly. And his method was?

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On a more personal level, I really admire Rosa Parks. Fantastic awesome statement.

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Sizz you cannot defend everything Winnie Mandela did, some of it is indefensible.

Nelson Mandela divorced her and for good reason.

In the end apartheid was ended but not by violence. Economic sanctions were necessary and it's a travesty the U.K. Government in the early 80's did not support this.

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comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 20 seconds ago
Question.

Name one person that has done more for race equality than any other?
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Martin Luther King.
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Exactly. And his method was?
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And he got facking assisinated.

I loved his message, but sometimes you have to be as brutal as the people you are fighting against.
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What were they fighting for? If it was that a select few black people get the wealth, then yes, job done.

I would have thought you would oppose the regime in SA as the contrast of the townships and government palaces hardly show a fair society.

In roads have been made, but many don't believe anywhere near enough had been achieved. Desmond Tutu even said he is glad Nelson is dead so he doesn't see the lack of progress.

posted on 2/4/18

comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 seconds ago
Sizz you cannot defend everything Winnie Mandela did, some of it is indefensible.

Nelson Mandela divorced her and for good reason.

In the end apartheid was ended but not by violence. Economic sanctions were necessary and it's a travesty the U.K. Government in the early 80's did not support this.

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I’m not defending everything she did.

And Britain did fack all to end Aparthied. Both Thatcher and David Cameron supported it.
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Do you want the UK to get involved in other countries? Yes or no. You blame them when they do and when they don't.

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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 20 seconds ago
Question.

Name one person that has done more for race equality than any other?
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Martin Luther King.
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Exactly. And his method was?
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Sizzle is no kind of liberal, whatever he might say.

He does not believe in justice. He does not believe in universal human rights. He does not believe in peace, fraternity, reconciliation or democracy.

That he cannot see any of that himself speaks volumes.

posted on 2/4/18

No, it’s awful.

But nothing was going to be given to them, they had to take it.
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So killing kids was a necessary evil, is that what you're saying?
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Secured Feedom for Black South Africans though.



We want to secure our freedom from the EU, do you suppose we kick a few people to death?

comment by oddiY.. (U1585)

posted on 2/4/18

The old addage says "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"

With Winnie, she could be seen as either. if the UK government supported the ANC by weakening the South African government would they have beeen seen to be supporting terrorism?

As the closest country to South Africa, excessively punative sanctions would have meant we lost all dialogue and any chance of a diplomatic resolution.

Appartheid started long long before thatcher, Labour were flogging the apartheid government weapons as much as the Tories were, i dont think there is any honour or higher moral ground for either party.

Its hard to believe in these times of enlightenment that somethng as oppressive as apartheid was tollerated less than 25 years ago


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