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posted on 20/4/19

comment by Anfield RAP (U2114)
posted 2 minutes ago
Lord Buckethead to stand against Farage in the EU elections
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posted on 20/4/19

comment by 🇬🇧🇬🇧 Emperor Kami 🇬🇧🇬🇧 (U9880)
posted 55 minutes ago
Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7.
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.
So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20." Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody's share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a100% saving).
The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving).
The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving).
The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving).
The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving).
And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving).
Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.

But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got £1 out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a £1 too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next week the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important - they didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
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What a load of nonsense.

You didn't include nuts. 🤦‍♂️

posted on 20/4/19

Anyone who frequents bars should know you never touch the pissnuts

posted on 20/4/19

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
And what’s ignoring a £32bn (rough as fwck estimate) that doesn’t even exist?

Christ.
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It's your own point you're arguing against. You said increasing tax would be insignificant so don't bother. But you messed up the sums and accidentally showed it would be very significant. So now that your example no longer fits your narrative, you're changing your argument instead of changing your mind.

It's like in that documentary where the flat Earthers accidentally showed the Earth was definitely round, so had to ignore their own evidence.

posted on 20/4/19

comment by 🇬🇧🇬🇧 Emperor Kami 🇬🇧🇬🇧 (U9880)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7.
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.
So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20." Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody's share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a100% saving).
The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving).
The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving).
The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving).
The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving).
And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving).
Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.

But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got £1 out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a £1 too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next week the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important - they didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
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Terrible analogy.
1. The bartender reduced the cost of drinks, but had to make cut backs to cover it. He did this by not bothering to hire anyone to clean the toilets and got rid of the bouncer, so now the place is full of heroin junkies and the Welsh.
2. The 4 "poorest" guys were actually the wealthiest of all - they dressed like paupers to pretend they had no money, taking everyone for a ride whilst all their cash was secretly hidden away from everyone.

In any situation, people will pay as little tax as they possibly can. The idea that the wealthy are ok with a 50% tax rate is laughable, and they'll no more try to avoid the 70% rate than a 50% rate.
Close the loopholes, make individuals pay their way and stop companies like Amazon trading in the UK if they pretending they're actually Dutch or Irish or whatever.

posted on 20/4/19

comment by Drunken Hobo (U7360)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
And what’s ignoring a £32bn (rough as fwck estimate) that doesn’t even exist?

Christ.
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It's your own point you're arguing against. You said increasing tax would be insignificant so don't bother. But you messed up the sums and accidentally showed it would be very significant. So now that your example no longer fits your narrative, you're changing your argument instead of changing your mind.

It's like in that documentary where the flat Earthers accidentally showed the Earth was definitely round, so had to ignore their own evidence.
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Clearly you didn’t read the fact I posted about uncollected tax, tax evasion and tax avoidance being the target areas.

I can’t help what you choose to ignore in a dialogue. I also acknowledged I got my sums horrendously wrong so well done you on pointing that out; not that it in any way changes my discussion of course. You seem stuck on that point so go ahead and try and argue why I or anyone should just think raising taxes in a certain earning bracket is an answer when quite clearly it’s besn proven not to work and has been rightly ridiculed by others on here in the last few posts.

And why say I’m ignoring something that quite simply doesn’t exist? That’s just a bizarre train of thought.

Are you seriously suggesting that raising taxation to the likes of 70% on earners over £150k is the answer? Please do because that’s all you’re suggesting. Other than keeping on muttering about my sums being wildly off of course. Did we mention that?

posted on 20/4/19

While you're mumbling on about tax, I'll through into the mix 610,000 homes in the UK empty.

That's housing for a lot of people. Compulsory selling orders, please. Or maybe compulsory tenant agreements.

posted on 20/4/19

comment by Drunken Hobo (U7360)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧🇬🇧 Emperor Kami 🇬🇧🇬🇧 (U9880)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7.
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.
So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20." Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody's share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a100% saving).
The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving).
The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving).
The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving).
The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving).
And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving).
Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.

But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got £1 out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a £1 too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next week the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important - they didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Terrible analogy.
1. The bartender reduced the cost of drinks, but had to make cut backs to cover it. He did this by not bothering to hire anyone to clean the toilets and got rid of the bouncer, so now the place is full of heroin junkies and the Welsh.
2. The 4 "poorest" guys were actually the wealthiest of all - they dressed like paupers to pretend they had no money, taking everyone for a ride whilst all their cash was secretly hidden away from everyone.

In any situation, people will pay as little tax as they possibly can. The idea that the wealthy are ok with a 50% tax rate is laughable, and they'll no more try to avoid the 70% rate than a 50% rate.
Close the loopholes, make individuals pay their way and stop companies like Amazon trading in the UK if they pretending they're actually Dutch or Irish or whatever.
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Those who are in the £150-250k bracket are as likely to be employees. There’s no avoiding, far less evading taxation on earnings.

Self employed are scrutinised beyond ridiculous nowadays.

posted on 20/4/19

French citizens getting their priorities right.

Protesting at the ludicrously rich can “find” millions of euros for the Notre Dame rebuild but can’t donate to the poorest in their own country.

Macron using everything he can as a political soapbox as ever. Mr EU himself indeed.

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 20/4/19

Who doesn't buy their round in a pub?

posted on 20/4/19

France, Ifop poll:

President Macron Approval Rating

Approve: 29% (nc)
Disapprove: 69% (nc)

Field work: 12/04/19 – 20/04/19
Sample size: 1,921

That’s worse than Trump. The guy is a twaaat so I’m not surprised. They should impeach him.

posted on 20/4/19

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/20/tony-blair-says-migrants-must-integrate-to-combat-far-right

This is absolutely poor from Blair.

posted on 21/4/19

comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 48 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/20/tony-blair-says-migrants-must-integrate-to-combat-far-right

This is absolutely poor from Blair.
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No, its the smartest thing he has said in years.

posted on 21/4/19

The lack of integration and the failures of multiculturalism are rather apparent and the people sticking fingers in their ears and calling any concerned with immigration racist are failing to offer a rational solution to the issue, playing right into the hands of real racists.

posted on 21/4/19

comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 6 hours, 25 minutes ago
It's not as simple as saying tax people 70% and they'll still go out and earn money because earning something is better than earning nothing. By having such a high tax bracket you dis-incentivise the pursuit of income and people will instead just stick their money into passive investments like stocks, bonds, property, thinking what's the point of going out and working hard for my money?
So not only will existing high earners probably stop generating as much income, you'll also get the knock-on effect that entrepreneurs probably stop taking risks (because let's face it, a lot of innovation is driven by the promise of riches at the end) and you end up with a dead economy.

A 70% tax bracket might work in the short term, generating a windfall from extra tax receipts all those existing high earners, but give it a couple of generations and any gains will be wiped out by a reduction in the number of people actually bothering to reach those high brackets.

To give a footballing analogy, this is a bit like Everton replacing David Moyes with Roberto Martinez, and seeing a short-term improvement in their fortunes thanks to Martinez giving a previously well-drilled defensive team the freedom to attack and express themselves. But inevitably, after a couple of seasons of this management, the team has now forgotten how to defend and actually starts to go backwards, the attacking philosophy being useless without the accompanying defensive solidity.
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Good debate all round chaps.

Agree that actually collecting tax that's being avoided is equally if not more important than raising tax rates

Just wanted to touch briefly on this "lower motivation argument" as I can't agree at all. Some may be less motivated although you still earn more the more your gross salary/earnings increase. If those on 200k for some reason decide there's no point earning more then where does that additional money go? To someone else.

Back to loopholes - One of the most important things about closing them is bringing back legitimate competition to the marketplace. If amazon pays feck all tax, treats its employees like modern day slaves as well as already having the advantage of a bigger and better advertising profile then the competition can not compete. They also have to lower all their working standards just to start.

Mega corporations ruin competition at a huge cost to jobs. They streamline to a level that concentrates wealth to such an extreme degree and as mentioned by others in many cases don't even pay their share of tax at the end it of.

Not only would I close loopholes I'd offer tax incentives to smaller business as this practice is far better at stimulating an economy (afterall the basic key to a healthy economy is the movement of money around the majority, particularly the "lower classes" not the concentration of it in a minority).

This same strategy of incentivizing smaller business IMO should cross over to incentivizing decentralisation of business from London, that's one of the UKs biggest issues too IMO. I'd also fully back the idea floated regarding moving our parliament from London to a more neutral spot in the UK.

posted on 21/4/19

*end of it

posted on 21/4/19

Rich people are deriving more benefit from society and therefore should pay for everything.

If society didn't exist, your wealth wouldn't be wealth, it'd just be some stuff you have. Society creates and maintains richness. Rich people are created and their status as rich maintained by society, most of which is poor(er).

If there was no society, there'd be no poor people which would mean they wouldn't be classed as rich.

We are all doing them a huge favour as we toil so they can feel superior to us because they have more of this man made paper invention called money which solely and utterly determines the quality of life you will live in the short time you will walk this planet. Its made somewhere and is always paid back with interest. The people's government makes the money, loans the money to itself and pays it back with interest to...

It is in the interests of rich people that this continues to be propagated. They have far more to loose if it goes haywire because they would become our equals and have to clean their own mansions and actually raise their children instead of them being raised by the nanny, the chauffeur and Facebook/pørnhub.

I'm not paying taxes going forward. If the whole world failed to pay taxes, they would just pay for everything eventually as they won't let society collapse. 90% of people eking out a living experience so that the rich 10% can live out a glorious existence. No more!!!!

Let's do this!!!!!

posted on 21/4/19

comment by Thörgen Klopp - "Mjolnir, to me!!!&q... (U1282)
posted 38 minutes ago
Rich people are deriving more benefit from society and therefore should pay for everything.

If society didn't exist, your wealth wouldn't be wealth, it'd just be some stuff you have. Society creates and maintains richness. Rich people are created and their status as rich maintained by society, most of which is poor(er).

If there was no society, there'd be no poor people which would mean they wouldn't be classed as rich.

We are all doing them a huge favour as we toil so they can feel superior to us because they have more of this man made paper invention called money which solely and utterly determines the quality of life you will live in the short time you will walk this planet. Its made somewhere and is always paid back with interest. The people's government makes the money, loans the money to itself and pays it back with interest to...

It is in the interests of rich people that this continues to be propagated. They have far more to loose if it goes haywire because they would become our equals and have to clean their own mansions and actually raise their children instead of them being raised by the nanny, the chauffeur and Facebook/pørnhub.

I'm not paying taxes going forward. If the whole world failed to pay taxes, they would just pay for everything eventually as they won't let society collapse. 90% of people eking out a living experience so that the rich 10% can live out a glorious existence. No more!!!!

Let's do this!!!!!
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Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200.

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 21/4/19

These are the last days of the Conservative Party, their instinctive, tribal voters lurch every further to the Right, most Tory councillors back Farage, Liam Fox cheerleading the Brexit party to be a disruptive force in the EU. There's a sleepwalking element into how some angry voters are being manipulated into casting their ballot, have any of them googled what other policies the Brexit Party/UKIP (same end of the same $hitty stick) espouse?

For the first time in my life I can see first-hand how National Socialism got a toe-hold in a democratic country and for the first time in my life, I'm a wee bit scared of where we as a country are going. No doubt the thin skinned on here will get hot under the collar and say that's hysterical, all I'd ask of them is to see for themselves the type of people that aspire to be part of the Farage leadership clique, who is his political guru? to see for themselves Farages attendance register and who as UKIP leader he aligned himself with in the European Parliament.

Brexit aside (i know, i know...) delve deeper and ffs think!

posted on 21/4/19

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 55 minutes ago
These are the last days of the Conservative Party, their instinctive, tribal voters lurch every further to the Right, most Tory councillors back Farage, Liam Fox cheerleading the Brexit party to be a disruptive force in the EU. There's a sleepwalking element into how some angry voters are being manipulated into casting their ballot, have any of them googled what other policies the Brexit Party/UKIP (same end of the same $hitty stick) espouse?

For the first time in my life I can see first-hand how National Socialism got a toe-hold in a democratic country and for the first time in my life, I'm a wee bit scared of where we as a country are going. No doubt the thin skinned on here will get hot under the collar and say that's hysterical, all I'd ask of them is to see for themselves the type of people that aspire to be part of the Farage leadership clique, who is his political guru? to see for themselves Farages attendance register and who as UKIP leader he aligned himself with in the European Parliament.

Brexit aside (i know, i know...) delve deeper and ffs think!

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The thing many people want is Brexit being delivered. That’s all. When Farage got his vote won he walked away and developed there was no further purpose for UKIP and he was right. The fact it’s been stolen to espouse the lunatic fringes is obvious and support has dropped as a result thankfully.

The Brexit Party will do likewise if they win, in disappearing once they get Brexit delivered. Who leads the country after that is another matter.

The Brexit party gives those previous UKIP supporters a way out of the racist association. I can easily see why millions will see them as a means to an end. They have no other policies.

People can’t depend upon the Conservative party any longer to deliver and it’s no surprise seeing as they’ve made a right Roger of it for over two years and still neither of the mainstream parties are getting anywhere. This extension has given Farage his opening which nobody expected. As for them rallying around to see him off the premises they are already far too late. He’s grabbed the feeling and mood in the country and he won’t let that go. Not now.

posted on 21/4/19

Gonna be a massive RIP toll in Sri Lanka...

On an Easter Sunday morning in multiple church services and three hotels.

Humans are jerks.

posted on 21/4/19

comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted about 9 hours ago
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/20/tony-blair-says-migrants-must-integrate-to-combat-far-right

This is absolutely poor from Blair.
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Blair writes: “In this report, we make it clear that there is a duty to integrate, to accept the rules, laws and norms of our society that all British people hold in common and share, while at the same time preserving the right to practise diversity, which is fully consistent with such a duty.

I think Blair is a ponce, but what is wrong with that.

Thats spot on

posted on 21/4/19

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 55 minutes ago
These are the last days of the Conservative Party, their instinctive, tribal voters lurch every further to the Right, most Tory councillors back Farage, Liam Fox cheerleading the Brexit party to be a disruptive force in the EU. There's a sleepwalking element into how some angry voters are being manipulated into casting their ballot, have any of them googled what other policies the Brexit Party/UKIP (same end of the same $hitty stick) espouse?

For the first time in my life I can see first-hand how National Socialism got a toe-hold in a democratic country and for the first time in my life, I'm a wee bit scared of where we as a country are going. No doubt the thin skinned on here will get hot under the collar and say that's hysterical, all I'd ask of them is to see for themselves the type of people that aspire to be part of the Farage leadership clique, who is his political guru? to see for themselves Farages attendance register and who as UKIP leader he aligned himself with in the European Parliament.

Brexit aside (i know, i know...) delve deeper and ffs think!

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The thing many people want is Brexit being delivered. That’s all. When Farage got his vote won he walked away and developed there was no further purpose for UKIP and he was right. The fact it’s been stolen to espouse the lunatic fringes is obvious and support has dropped as a result thankfully.

The Brexit Party will do likewise if they win, in disappearing once they get Brexit delivered. Who leads the country after that is another matter.

The Brexit party gives those previous UKIP supporters a way out of the racist association. I can easily see why millions will see them as a means to an end. They have no other policies.

People can’t depend upon the Conservative party any longer to deliver and it’s no surprise seeing as they’ve made a right Roger of it for over two years and still neither of the mainstream parties are getting anywhere. This extension has given Farage his opening which nobody expected. As for them rallying around to see him off the premises they are already far too late. He’s grabbed the feeling and mood in the country and he won’t let that go. Not now.
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If we "leave" the EU in only name is that acceptable?

So basically keep everything the same but wipe our name off as being a member (even keeping our huge influence over the decision making process etc etc).

posted on 21/4/19

comment by Prankster (U6283)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted about 9 hours ago
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/20/tony-blair-says-migrants-must-integrate-to-combat-far-right

This is absolutely poor from Blair.
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Blair writes: “In this report, we make it clear that there is a duty to integrate, to accept the rules, laws and norms of our society that all British people hold in common and share, while at the same time preserving the right to practise diversity, which is fully consistent with such a duty.

I think Blair is a ponce, but what is wrong with that.

Thats spot on
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Have no problem with that either. Same should go for British retirees in Spain btw, peacefully integrate and embrace your new country or stay away.

It takes two to tango of course so it's also down to the locals to be welcoming and supportive.

posted on 21/4/19

comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Prankster (U6283)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted about 9 hours ago
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/20/tony-blair-says-migrants-must-integrate-to-combat-far-right

This is absolutely poor from Blair.
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Blair writes: “In this report, we make it clear that there is a duty to integrate, to accept the rules, laws and norms of our society that all British people hold in common and share, while at the same time preserving the right to practise diversity, which is fully consistent with such a duty.

I think Blair is a ponce, but what is wrong with that.

Thats spot on
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Have no problem with that either. Same should go for British retirees in Spain btw, peacefully integrate and embrace your new country or stay away.

It takes two to tango of course so it's also down to the locals to be welcoming and supportive.
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yes very much so wherever you go you should embrace the culture and make an effort to integrate.

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