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posted on 16/2/20

Was she convicted of domestic violence?

posted on 16/2/20

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 40 minutes ago
Was she convicted of domestic violence?
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The CPS were prosecuting her, the victim didn't want to press charges and they remained together (although he was on holiday when she committed suicide.)

Now people are up in arms at the CPS over perusing the case and it leading to her suicide.

If anything I would hazard a guess the time frame to resolve it is the issue, cant see why people suddenly think domestic abuse isn't worth pursuit because it was a man who was hit?

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 16/2/20

I feel for her family and friends. They'll never understand why she did what she did. It's a tragedy all around.

posted on 16/2/20

My gripe with the Flack saga is she was sacked from Love Island for her alleged assault on the boyfriend, but why wasn't Ant McPartlin sacked off from all of his shows after being caught drink driving and causing serious injuries to a young girl and woman in a car accident?

posted on 16/2/20

I could be wrong, often am, but didn't Ant McPartlin leave his shows for quite some time? I don't watch them so cant recall specifics but I am sure he took a long break.

Not defending ITV or Ant McPartlin - I absolutely detest drunk drivers. Height of selfishness and disregard for other people.

posted on 16/2/20

comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 51 minutes ago
I could be wrong, often am, but didn't Ant McPartlin leave his shows for quite some time? I don't watch them so cant recall specifics but I am sure he took a long break.

Not defending ITV or Ant McPartlin - I absolutely detest drunk drivers. Height of selfishness and disregard for other people.
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No, ITV relieved him whilst he went into rehab. He was never sacked, Saturday Night Takeaway went offline for 2 years too and they're bringing it back again in a few weeks.

posted on 16/2/20

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 6 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 40 minutes ago
Was she convicted of domestic violence?
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The CPS were prosecuting her, the victim didn't want to press charges and they remained together (although he was on holiday when she committed suicide.)

Now people are up in arms at the CPS over perusing the case and it leading to her suicide.

If anything I would hazard a guess the time frame to resolve it is the issue, cant see why people suddenly think domestic abuse isn't worth pursuit because it was a man who was hit?
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The CPS can't win if they dropped every case where on reflection the victim didn't want to press charges then they would be criticised for encouraging perpetrators to lean on victims.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 16/2/20

Arab I think it's because they thought long term Ant and Dec as a duo would be too much of a loss and it would blow over for them eventually

Flack would have been back presenting eventually too for other ITV shows I'd have imagined

posted on 16/2/20

Grant Shapps has told Andrew Marr that the budget might be delayed due to the change of Chancellor: the government cannot confirm that the budget will "definitely go ahead on the same date as mentioned before. The guy's only been in place for a few days, let's give him a few days to decide on the date."

The budget was supposed to be delivered on 11 March.

The reasoning might seem fair enough, but if there’s more than a brief delay, it might push the Spring OBR report back and jeopardise the ability of the OBR to deliver a second annual report. Which, with the potential events of 1 January 2021 looming, is a big issue.

The OBR is supposed to publish two reports monitoring the government's performance on money management per annum, but last year it only produced one full report. That’s because after the cancellation of the Autumn statement’s budget by the government, the Cabinet Office blocked the OBR from publishing its second Economic and Fiscal Outlook of 2019, citing the potential of the report to prejudice the election campaign. (Imagine actually letting the electorate judge the party in power based on the performance of its ongoing fiscal management.)

One to watch carefully this, because the coming OBR report is going to be very important indeed.

posted on 17/2/20

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 21 hours, 25 minutes ago
The whole Caroline Flack news is bothering me too..

I appreciate shes been hounded a bit on the internet, which is sad, but she domesticaly abused someone, its a serious crime, and i dont think the CPS getting blame for going ahead with the case, after her boyfriend asked them to drop it should be blamed.

Either domestic assault is serious or it isnt, it doesnt matter which gender has been battered, If a female had tried to stop their abuser being prosecuted i think there would have been rather different coverage.

The mocking etc is of course reprehensible, and its sad shes fallen victim to her mental health, but im not sure that pushing ahead with the case should be demonised..
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It's been bothering me too the way social media is seemingly glossing over the domestic assault. It is as you say very sad that she felt the need to take her own life, but I've seen quite a few heavily retweeted tweets saying things like "we have all our flaws" or "it was a private matter" in relation to the assault and it's frustrating.

posted on 17/2/20

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted about 11 hours ago

The CPS can't win if they dropped every case where on reflection the victim didn't want to press charges then they would be criticised for encouraging perpetrators to lean on victims.
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I agree with you.

comment by Admin1 (U1)

posted on 17/2/20

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted about 11 hours ago

The CPS can't win if they dropped every case where on reflection the victim didn't want to press charges then they would be criticised for encouraging perpetrators to lean on victims.
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I agree with you.
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Absolutely this.

Though I want to add tabloids are a disgrace and a blight on both our intellect and wellbeing. Same can be said to a lesser or greater extent for social media (including ja606).

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 17/2/20

Its complicated.

I wouldnt want to overcritcise her about the incident with her bf because she didnt get to stand trial and she cant defend herself now. Also even if guilty it's not like her life is in anyway a suitable punishment.

But I dont think the CPS was at fault at all here.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 17/2/20

I know the double standard seems unfair in domestic abuse cases

My issue is that we dont do enough to help male victims in the aftermath or even in believing them more so than punishing the perpetrators


Look at the Johnny Depp case currently ongoing

posted on 17/2/20

The CPS bares no fault for this tragic incident.

Flack takes the blame for lobbing a lamp, but the reaction from the gutter press and social media outrage you would have thought the poor woman was guilty of some jimmy saville type stuff.

the fact is whatever hapened between that man and woman was there business, should of been reported and then left at that, they continued this campaign and the poor woman was left eeling there was no alternative.

Feck the free press, they need to be regulated, heavily. All journo's imo are sc*m. I cant stand them or their profession.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 17/2/20

Thing is we dont get the trial and the full facts now

There is a difference if it's a one off incident or was there a pattern of abuse

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 17/2/20

Doubtlessly there will be an enquiry into the CPS which there shouldnt be imo

posted on 17/2/20

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 48 seconds ago
Thing is we dont get the trial and the full facts now

There is a difference if it's a one off incident or was there a pattern of abuse
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Abuse

a couple had a barny. thats it.

its reactions like this that demonize people for trivial reasons and leave them feeling so helpless.

posted on 17/2/20

comment by Rooneysrage9 (U22327)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 48 seconds ago
Thing is we dont get the trial and the full facts now

There is a difference if it's a one off incident or was there a pattern of abuse
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Abuse

a couple had a barny. thats it.

its reactions like this that demonize people for trivial reasons and leave them feeling so helpless.
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You don't know that.

posted on 17/2/20

comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 9 hours, 49 minutes ago
Grant Shapps has told Andrew Marr that the budget might be delayed due to the change of Chancellor: the government cannot confirm that the budget will "definitely go ahead on the same date as mentioned before. The guy's only been in place for a few days, let's give him a few days to decide on the date."

The budget was supposed to be delivered on 11 March.

The reasoning might seem fair enough, but if there’s more than a brief delay, it might push the Spring OBR report back and jeopardise the ability of the OBR to deliver a second annual report. Which, with the potential events of 1 January 2021 looming, is a big issue.

The OBR is supposed to publish two reports monitoring the government's performance on money management per annum, but last year it only produced one full report. That’s because after the cancellation of the Autumn statement’s budget by the government, the Cabinet Office blocked the OBR from publishing its second Economic and Fiscal Outlook of 2019, citing the potential of the report to prejudice the election campaign. (Imagine actually letting the electorate judge the party in power based on the performance of its ongoing fiscal management.)

One to watch carefully this, because the coming OBR report is going to be very important indeed.
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This has implications for the devolved governments. They're already struggling with the delayed budget as it is - they have to get their budgets passed and there's already very little time for scrutiny by the parliaments. Any further delay would be an outrage.

posted on 17/2/20

Unless she chucked a brick at him, like kevin at marv in home alone, i dont care what she did.

she didnt deserve to be demonized by people who dont know her and who wernt there.

posted on 17/2/20

As for Flack, very sad, but no blame should be at the CPS.

The blame should go to the gutter press and the trolls they feed.

posted on 17/2/20

Pollster Lord Ashcroft has published his report analysing Labour’s election defeat, and at a high level, it fairly closely mirrors the YouGov analysis that places the blame principally with people’s opinions of Corbyn and the party’s Brexit position.

- When people were asked how important each of twelve factors was in explaining the election result, the top five highest scoring reasons were:

1. Corbyn was not an appealing leader
2. Brexit position
3. Lack of trust
4. Division in the party
5. Labour no longer representing its traditional voters

- When those who defected from Lab to Con were asked why they did so, the top five highest scoring reasons were:

1. I did not want Jeremy Corbyn to be PM
2. I wanted to get Brexit done
3. Lack of trust
4. Labour no longer representing voters like me
5. I did not like the policies Labour were proposing

Yet further evidence that arguments that the policy package and party’s positioning were the principal reason why they lost the election are complete bunkum.

The main problems have repeatedly been shown to be Corbyn’s baggage, image and leadership; the party’s Brexit position; and a lack of trust and faith in the party’s leadership (with the handling of allegations of anti-semitism of course cited heavily).

Full report here:

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/DIAGNOSIS-OF-DEFEAT-LORD-ASHCROFT-POLLS-1.pdf

posted on 17/2/20

Yet further evidence that arguments that the policy package and party’s positioning were the principal reason why they lost the election are complete bunkum.
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Oh please, they were a huge reason.

The majority in this country do not want to live in a socialist country.

Please read the fecking room.

posted on 17/2/20

A bit worrying that it's a Tory who is having to help the Labour party figure out what went wrong.

Too much navel gazing within the Labour party imo.

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