Oscar did a "Rabona"
Maight have got slaughtered if he did that while MOurinho was in charge.
It's pretty simple. And plenty of clubs get a bounce when a new manager comes in.
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or when a previous one get the sack.
It was Sunderland for one, hell anyone whose read my posts know how supportive of Jose Ive been. I still love him. He will always be a major part of the Club's history , they may put up a statue of him, I'd support that. But todays performance may have showed that Jose was the problem. i'll reserve judgement on that. If that what it takes to get the lads to improve than so be it. We support Chelsea right, not Jose surely.
Mourinho caused a fair chunk of his downfall, I think that's fair to say. When I say that, I don't necessarily mean the antics (although they probably didn't help) but the negative tactics when you have wonderful attacking talent.
However, there is no way in hell that the Chelsea squad should be 1 point off the bottom 3 (when he left). Just no way. That's not Jose's fault, that's the players that cross the white line. Ultimately they're responsible for their own effort and performance. The weekly pay sure as hell goes into their bank account after all!
Mourinho clearly had to go but a little bit of me wished Abramovich had just said screw it, I'm backing the manager and rooting out the players that have not tried to earn the money I'm paying them. Unrealistic I know but it would have been a big FU to modern day footballers.
& Jose supports Chelsea too.
The players didnt support :
Jose
Chelsea
the fans.
They were prepare dto play rubbish & get their manager sacked & still get paid thousands of pounds.
comment by Thibaut Courtois (U10322)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Thibaut Courtois (U10322)
posted 2 minutes ago
The Madrid players fell out with Mourinho but kept winning. Ours should have done that.
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Answer me this. If the players are meant to turn up week in week out and perform for the fans, because they get paid thousands a week.
Why isn't Mourinho meant to come in week in week out and perform for the fans. Instead of blaming everyone but himself for poor performances? He gets paid thousands a week too.
Had Mourinho let the fans down?
The Eva incident is key IMO. This was the first week of the season. Morale should've been high. Who tries to deflect from the result by blaming the cob doctor, Mourinho or the players?
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Mourinho's job is simply to pick the team and tactics every week and he's done that. It's the players who haven't implemented them that are mostly to blame for our poor form. They've shown this week that they could have played much better than they've shown this season.
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Is that all he does?
Did Mourinho let the fans down?
Who was responsible for your success last season?
I have not seen Chelsea players get their manager sacked since back in 2011-12 season when they got AVB sacked.
Chelsea may go on to win the FA Cup but Top 4 or CL are gone.
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As for Eva, The Club and her should move on, way too much has been made of that and milked by the media.
Sometimes I think we public are some kind of wired gadget media owned that does what it told by remote control.
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Thibaut Courtois (U10322)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Thibaut Courtois (U10322)
posted 2 minutes ago
The Madrid players fell out with Mourinho but kept winning. Ours should have done that.
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Answer me this. If the players are meant to turn up week in week out and perform for the fans, because they get paid thousands a week.
Why isn't Mourinho meant to come in week in week out and perform for the fans. Instead of blaming everyone but himself for poor performances? He gets paid thousands a week too.
Had Mourinho let the fans down?
The Eva incident is key IMO. This was the first week of the season. Morale should've been high. Who tries to deflect from the result by blaming the cob doctor, Mourinho or the players?
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Mourinho's job is simply to pick the team and tactics every week and he's done that. It's the players who haven't implemented them that are mostly to blame for our poor form. They've shown this week that they could have played much better than they've shown this season.
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Is that all he does?
Did Mourinho let the fans down?
Who was responsible for your success last season?
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Our success last season was down to Mourinho assembling the squad, deciding the tactics, and then the players being committed to following said tactics. That hasn't been the case this season. The players have clearly not played to their potential. Say what you want about Mourinho, but there is no defending this total lack of effort from the players.
comment by GrandeLicha! (U9988)
posted 1 minute ago
I have not seen Chelsea players get their manager sacked since back in 2011-12 season when they got AVB sacked.
Chelsea may go on to win the FA Cup but Top 4 or CL are gone.
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Yeah, and the thing is even then we were only what, 5th/6th. We were 16th when Mourinho was sacked! This is so much worse.
Jose was a catalyst for sapping players will to play,as how can they go from performing well this time last year, to nine defeats out of sixteen?
If players were the issue, why did Jose pick dud's each week?
He stuck by guys playing badly, so did Jose want them to fail?
Why do you think Mata was dumped by Kose,after he was our best player?
Thibaut
So Mourinho was responsible for your success last season. But not responsible for your poor form this season?
Why haven't the players played to their potential this season?
Do you see what I getting at? How can Jose take credit for the teams success, but not for their poor form?
The Biggest job a manager has is motivating his team. Jose undermined that from the start with the Eva business. His job was also to realise the tactics being deployed aren't working, and to try something different (either during a game or in training) he didn't do that. He failed at the end of the day.
How do you know the players weren't just following Mourinho's tactical instructions?
I hear you Thib, but again I say best wait to see when bits more of the story comes out. suss the truth from the garbage not easy either. Something HAPPENED. There was a break in communications between manager and players. A good manager should not even allow a situation like that to arise. What was it the official club statement said... "irreconcilable differences" ..Thats da black spot in pirate terms. The End. Responsibility :always the manager.
I see quite a few jose haters swimming like sharks attracted by blood and tearing at the flesh of a mangled corpse.
No worries. regardless of what happened , Jose Mourinho and Chelsea are linked forever.
Move on time...
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jose was a catalyst for sapping players will to play,as how can they go from performing well this time last year, to nine defeats out of sixteen?
If players were the issue, why did Jose pick dud's each week?
He stuck by guys playing badly, so did Jose want them to fail?
Why do you think Mata was dumped by Kose,after he was our best player?
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I'd imagine Jose kept picking players because he knew their talent levels and had faith that sooner or later they'd turn up to a game!
Plus he did drop some players - Terry, Fabregas, Costa, Hazard. Big names. Big players. Didn't seem to make a difference.
Football is pretty unique I have to say. This is Abramovich's business, if you owned a business (I'm sure some of you do) then how would you feel about paying top level wages to employees who didn't try because they didn't like their line manager?!
If I were Abromovich I'd be fuming with some of the players. Then again, maybe he's so rich that it just doesn't matter to him!
Tway
I was a Jose fan until the past few months, and then very recently I saw his nasty ego tearing at Chelsea, like a shark...........to use your analogy.
Jose did well by us until this season, although from the start of this calendar year, we have bben poor, imo.
Once Jose subs Terry,picks on the female doc, says he should have sold players in the summer, and then alleges Chelsea players were betraying him, he had lost the respect of players, and how was that motivational, or helpful, as we sat near relegation?
Jose tore Real Madrid apart, and was at it with Chelsea.
He is an obsessive win at all costs maniac, which works most of the time, but not always.
Perhaps if he kept the like of Mata, Lukaku, de Bruyne, Schurrle, rather than mikel and ramieres, I would respect him a little more, but he does not like others taking his limelight, imo, and wants dull yes men about him.
Thats fine blue, I tend to go with the clubs decisions. The board are in a better positions to know the ins and outs. I fiercely supported Jose till the end, and will do for who is next appointed.
I am wary of being manipulated by the media which has way too much power to influence. Not to mention destroy at whim.
Already the Chelsea fans are split by recent events.
I really wish we could come together and support the team . If some real injustice or immorality occurred, lets cross that bridge then.
Tway
Wisely chosen words and sentiment, my fellow bluesbrother.
It would be refreshing to hear directly from Jose and the players concerned, but no doubt that is a no-go zone, legally for starters.
Unite behind Hiddink for now, and see if we land Pep or Simeone?
ktbffh
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posted on 19/12/15
Oscar did a "Rabona"
Maight have got slaughtered if he did that while MOurinho was in charge.
posted on 19/12/15
It's pretty simple. And plenty of clubs get a bounce when a new manager comes in.
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or when a previous one get the sack.
posted on 19/12/15
It was Sunderland for one, hell anyone whose read my posts know how supportive of Jose Ive been. I still love him. He will always be a major part of the Club's history , they may put up a statue of him, I'd support that. But todays performance may have showed that Jose was the problem. i'll reserve judgement on that. If that what it takes to get the lads to improve than so be it. We support Chelsea right, not Jose surely.
posted on 19/12/15
Mourinho caused a fair chunk of his downfall, I think that's fair to say. When I say that, I don't necessarily mean the antics (although they probably didn't help) but the negative tactics when you have wonderful attacking talent.
However, there is no way in hell that the Chelsea squad should be 1 point off the bottom 3 (when he left). Just no way. That's not Jose's fault, that's the players that cross the white line. Ultimately they're responsible for their own effort and performance. The weekly pay sure as hell goes into their bank account after all!
Mourinho clearly had to go but a little bit of me wished Abramovich had just said screw it, I'm backing the manager and rooting out the players that have not tried to earn the money I'm paying them. Unrealistic I know but it would have been a big FU to modern day footballers.
posted on 19/12/15
& Jose supports Chelsea too.
The players didnt support :
Jose
Chelsea
the fans.
They were prepare dto play rubbish & get their manager sacked & still get paid thousands of pounds.
posted on 19/12/15
comment by Thibaut Courtois (U10322)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Thibaut Courtois (U10322)
posted 2 minutes ago
The Madrid players fell out with Mourinho but kept winning. Ours should have done that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Answer me this. If the players are meant to turn up week in week out and perform for the fans, because they get paid thousands a week.
Why isn't Mourinho meant to come in week in week out and perform for the fans. Instead of blaming everyone but himself for poor performances? He gets paid thousands a week too.
Had Mourinho let the fans down?
The Eva incident is key IMO. This was the first week of the season. Morale should've been high. Who tries to deflect from the result by blaming the cob doctor, Mourinho or the players?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mourinho's job is simply to pick the team and tactics every week and he's done that. It's the players who haven't implemented them that are mostly to blame for our poor form. They've shown this week that they could have played much better than they've shown this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that all he does?
Did Mourinho let the fans down?
Who was responsible for your success last season?
posted on 19/12/15
I have not seen Chelsea players get their manager sacked since back in 2011-12 season when they got AVB sacked.
Chelsea may go on to win the FA Cup but Top 4 or CL are gone.
posted on 19/12/15
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 19/12/15
As for Eva, The Club and her should move on, way too much has been made of that and milked by the media.
Sometimes I think we public are some kind of wired gadget media owned that does what it told by remote control.
posted on 19/12/15
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Thibaut Courtois (U10322)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Thibaut Courtois (U10322)
posted 2 minutes ago
The Madrid players fell out with Mourinho but kept winning. Ours should have done that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Answer me this. If the players are meant to turn up week in week out and perform for the fans, because they get paid thousands a week.
Why isn't Mourinho meant to come in week in week out and perform for the fans. Instead of blaming everyone but himself for poor performances? He gets paid thousands a week too.
Had Mourinho let the fans down?
The Eva incident is key IMO. This was the first week of the season. Morale should've been high. Who tries to deflect from the result by blaming the cob doctor, Mourinho or the players?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mourinho's job is simply to pick the team and tactics every week and he's done that. It's the players who haven't implemented them that are mostly to blame for our poor form. They've shown this week that they could have played much better than they've shown this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that all he does?
Did Mourinho let the fans down?
Who was responsible for your success last season?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Our success last season was down to Mourinho assembling the squad, deciding the tactics, and then the players being committed to following said tactics. That hasn't been the case this season. The players have clearly not played to their potential. Say what you want about Mourinho, but there is no defending this total lack of effort from the players.
posted on 19/12/15
comment by GrandeLicha! (U9988)
posted 1 minute ago
I have not seen Chelsea players get their manager sacked since back in 2011-12 season when they got AVB sacked.
Chelsea may go on to win the FA Cup but Top 4 or CL are gone.
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Yeah, and the thing is even then we were only what, 5th/6th. We were 16th when Mourinho was sacked! This is so much worse.
posted on 19/12/15
Jose was a catalyst for sapping players will to play,as how can they go from performing well this time last year, to nine defeats out of sixteen?
If players were the issue, why did Jose pick dud's each week?
He stuck by guys playing badly, so did Jose want them to fail?
Why do you think Mata was dumped by Kose,after he was our best player?
posted on 19/12/15
Thibaut
So Mourinho was responsible for your success last season. But not responsible for your poor form this season?
Why haven't the players played to their potential this season?
Do you see what I getting at? How can Jose take credit for the teams success, but not for their poor form?
The Biggest job a manager has is motivating his team. Jose undermined that from the start with the Eva business. His job was also to realise the tactics being deployed aren't working, and to try something different (either during a game or in training) he didn't do that. He failed at the end of the day.
How do you know the players weren't just following Mourinho's tactical instructions?
posted on 19/12/15
I hear you Thib, but again I say best wait to see when bits more of the story comes out. suss the truth from the garbage not easy either. Something HAPPENED. There was a break in communications between manager and players. A good manager should not even allow a situation like that to arise. What was it the official club statement said... "irreconcilable differences" ..Thats da black spot in pirate terms. The End. Responsibility :always the manager.
posted on 19/12/15
I see quite a few jose haters swimming like sharks attracted by blood and tearing at the flesh of a mangled corpse.
No worries. regardless of what happened , Jose Mourinho and Chelsea are linked forever.
Move on time...
posted on 19/12/15
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jose was a catalyst for sapping players will to play,as how can they go from performing well this time last year, to nine defeats out of sixteen?
If players were the issue, why did Jose pick dud's each week?
He stuck by guys playing badly, so did Jose want them to fail?
Why do you think Mata was dumped by Kose,after he was our best player?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd imagine Jose kept picking players because he knew their talent levels and had faith that sooner or later they'd turn up to a game!
Plus he did drop some players - Terry, Fabregas, Costa, Hazard. Big names. Big players. Didn't seem to make a difference.
Football is pretty unique I have to say. This is Abramovich's business, if you owned a business (I'm sure some of you do) then how would you feel about paying top level wages to employees who didn't try because they didn't like their line manager?!
If I were Abromovich I'd be fuming with some of the players. Then again, maybe he's so rich that it just doesn't matter to him!
posted on 19/12/15
Tway
I was a Jose fan until the past few months, and then very recently I saw his nasty ego tearing at Chelsea, like a shark...........to use your analogy.
Jose did well by us until this season, although from the start of this calendar year, we have bben poor, imo.
Once Jose subs Terry,picks on the female doc, says he should have sold players in the summer, and then alleges Chelsea players were betraying him, he had lost the respect of players, and how was that motivational, or helpful, as we sat near relegation?
Jose tore Real Madrid apart, and was at it with Chelsea.
He is an obsessive win at all costs maniac, which works most of the time, but not always.
Perhaps if he kept the like of Mata, Lukaku, de Bruyne, Schurrle, rather than mikel and ramieres, I would respect him a little more, but he does not like others taking his limelight, imo, and wants dull yes men about him.
posted on 19/12/15
Thats fine blue, I tend to go with the clubs decisions. The board are in a better positions to know the ins and outs. I fiercely supported Jose till the end, and will do for who is next appointed.
I am wary of being manipulated by the media which has way too much power to influence. Not to mention destroy at whim.
Already the Chelsea fans are split by recent events.
I really wish we could come together and support the team . If some real injustice or immorality occurred, lets cross that bridge then.
posted on 19/12/15
Tway
Wisely chosen words and sentiment, my fellow bluesbrother.
It would be refreshing to hear directly from Jose and the players concerned, but no doubt that is a no-go zone, legally for starters.
Unite behind Hiddink for now, and see if we land Pep or Simeone?
ktbffh
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