We all know what brought the downfall of the club.

Signing players on too long contracts, paying them too much and not taking the advice that the club actually paid for and then ignored.

The rest is better left alone. Phil Gartside has gone and it's best that we let sleeping dogs lie.

No matter who is to blame or how, there are going to be ramifications for quite a while, no matter who takes control of our club.
Mark Iles has his own agenda too, he will only report news which HE thinks is appropriate, as a reporter he should of let the general public know of the seriousness of Mr Gartside's illness a lot earlier.
News is news, good, bad or controversial.

I believe that we were kept in the dark about the extent of Gartside's illness at the request of him and his family.

I can understand the family's request WF.
Since when have we known a reporter not reporting, other than when a court order is in place.
Mr Iles reluctance to report it maybe stemmed from the fear he may suffer an exile at the Macron, which he touched on in that report.

I think he did the right and honourable thing not reporting the extent of the illness to protect him and his family. But the right thing now is to report how the media has been silenced by the club prior to that. Others will be involved in that, and they are 'sleeping dogs' that should be kicked right up the arze to see how they bark.

I suspect there will be no barking, only whimpering with tails between their legs, that's my opinion, at which stage I will agree to disagree.
Looking to the future....all ifs and buts again, so lets see what happens next.

Well we are all entitled to our opinions. The thing is you won't get many straight answer even if the questions are asked.

Only a couple of weeks ago some posters on here was suggesting or implying that the illness was a convenient act. I could be wrong but I have not noticed 1 apology by those posters since his death.
If Mr Iles had reported just how serious his illness was, then just maybe those posters would have refrained from saying what was said.

I think now is the time for me to leave ja606 forum.

Thanks to the matchday threads, I will miss.

I would hope you stay Isaac.

I was among those who expressed the idea that Phil's illness could be a hoax, although I hasten to add I didn't believe it was, simply that, with all that had gone on with his past record for economy with the truth, I could understand why people may have thought that way.

For my part I don't for a second doubt that he always did what he felt was best for the club. Unfortunately he obviously didn't take criticism well and that appears to have been a contributing factor in our present predicament.

Despite all that, he did do a lot of good for the club over many years, and that should be remembered.

comment by Isaac Hunt (Just like Them) (U2586)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
Only a couple of weeks ago some posters on here was suggesting or implying that the illness was a convenient act. I could be wrong but I have not noticed 1 apology by those posters since his death.
If Mr Iles had reported just how serious his illness was, then just maybe those posters would have refrained from saying what was said.

I think now is the time for me to leave ja606 forum.

Thanks to the matchday threads, I will miss.

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I believe my objection to this was referred to as 'pathetic'

Sorry you want to leave issac. Good poster.

As i have said before and made my point quite clear. Overall i think Gartside has been a good chairman, and as a previous poster said, i think he did everything with whats best for the club in the forefront of his mind. He made some mistakes imo, sammy lee and the extended periods for Coyle and Megson. I think with those however its very easy to speak in hindsight and be damning, in reality, very few of us thought they where bad bad decisions at the time. Of course some had there objections. The murky pool of finances comes to mind now, and more than anything i think we have been unlucky. We stay up that season, and we are having entirely different conversations. Such is the fine margins in football. Thats not to say the debt figure would be lower, it probably wouldnt be much different, but the operaring and cash position would.be drastically different.

He put alot in to our club and i fornone thank him for the best period in our clubs history

Isaac Hunt (Just like Them) (U2586)
posted 13 hours, 37 minutes ago
Only a couple of weeks ago some posters on here was suggesting or implying that the illness was a convenient act. I could be wrong but I have not noticed 1 apology by those posters since his death.
If Mr Iles had reported just how serious his illness was, then just maybe those posters would have refrained from saying what was said.

I think now is the time for me to leave ja606 forum.

Thanks to the matchday threads, I will miss.

Sorry to see you go Issac but there is no need for anyone to apologize. It was muted by someone not connected with the forum. Not too unreasonable for people to wonder if there was a connection with recent events at the club.

However no one wished the ill. On the contrary i think without exception, everyone wished him a speedy recovery. It's one thing speculating on the reason for his withdrawal from the club and quite another to wish the man dead, which seems to be what you and one other poster has suggesting.

I suggest you re-read all the relevant posts.

Isaac- I was one of those who questioned the seriousness of the illness and I regret that and feel bad about it and of course I am (like everyone else) sad about his passing.
But are you surprised at anyone making that conclusion? For many years there has been more than a whiff of dishonesty around the club leadership and the Chairman in particular. From the Allardyce bungs scandal (which of course was dodgy, and of course he knew about it) through to the dodgy dealings with agents ever since (Harrison, Anderson et al) and even a High Court appearance to face charges of perjury and fraud by false representation. Innocent until proven guilty, yes, but come on, in reality we all know the reality.
Add this all to the timing of the illness - right at the moment when the rotten empire he'd created came crashing down - (which we now know to be just a coincidence) and you can see where people might have
had doubts.

SWIE

Where is it that I have said, or even suggested anyone wished anyone else dead??
Please point to that post by me....you cant, so maybe you yourself should get off the san miguel, take a breathe of fresh Spanish air and get a grip.
You seem to take everything so personal, just relax and chill, read what posters are saying, not just on this thread but others too.

To the other posters,

Thanks for your support, and this is the last I will say on this particular matter.

Isaac, how it came about was. Various posters where suggesting, Gartside, rather than being critically ill. Was doing a runner......My words where along the lines of --- Its abhorrent to suggest he is lying about something so serious....if he dies, its not like he deserves it.
A flipant comment.

SWIE picks on the more irrelevant part of your comment to heighten his own opinions, rather than focus on the real point being made. However in this instance he has ignored everything you said...Perhaps the San Miguel as you suggest.

He seems to hate me for my opinion of Gartside. i entirely agree that my opinion isnt a majority opinion, thats fine. thats the point, but he cant handle someone disagreeing with him.

Is it bold to suggest his exile is due to him being "difficult".

What you will see about SWIE's opinion about Gartside, and my opinion, is they arent that drastically different. I just dont demonise him for his decisions.

A point i have made about the debt figure is that it doesnt behave like real debt - i gather this from my own accountancy training, but not only this, gartside quite correctly referred to it behaving more like equity. These arent opinions really, they are facts. He takes huge issues with this.

I also said, Eddie wont ever call the money in, because he will get nothing. Posters quite rightly questioned me how it would affect a sale...i did say....in that event, it would likely be written off.

I will be proved right

ive also said the debt wont be paid back.....i am correct on this also. However....some see this as wrong.....i look forward to this entry in the accounts being made.............CR Cash.....DR long term loans......let me tell you......it wont happen. Therefore the debt wont be repaid.....it will.....be written off (or potentially converted)

Well guys your wrong about the San Miguel. If I have a pint shandy a week that's about it. I'm not sure how much you two drink but perhaps it's more than me.

Yes the point about if he dies being a flippant comment wasn't actually a flippant comment at all. You meant it at the time, no matter how hard you try to change your meaning.

I don't pick on the more irrelevant parts of your comments. If you put them on the board, they're not irrelevant. You presumably put them there for a reason. In your case it's to add weight to your point.

No I don't hate you. In fact I can't say I actually hate anyone. I don't agree with many of you comments and The vitriol that you have just poured out, suggest you have a problem with me. Which to be honest, I know you have.

Is it bold to suggest his exile is due to him being "difficult".
It just shoes your mentality. You are actually losing it.

A point i have made about the debt figure is that it doesnt behave like real debt.

No you have said continually that it isn't a debt. You see how you try to change what you have continually written. If you were a little bit cleverer, you wouldn't do that because it makes you look stupid. The FACTS that you refer to are not facts and have been roundly condemned of late. I know what equity is and it's not a debt of almost £200,000,000

Eddie, has already sold a car park, possibly for £20,000,000 or so reported. If that is the case, don't expect him to put it all back into the club. Once again I make the point to you that Ed has no chance of selling the club with that amount of debt, so he really had no option. He can't even sell it if he wipes the debt off, which he has said he will. That must show you just how badly the club has been run. You might be proved right but it will be by default.

It won't be repaid quite simply because nobody will be daft enough to enter any agreement to buy the club unless that debt is taken out of the equation. If you don't get that, there is no hope for you.

Accountant? I wouldn't have you dealing with the petty cash.

Hahha easy easy easy easy easy

I'll let other poster form their own ideas on your post.

What a dimwit

Nobody would be daft enough to buy the club unlesd the debt is taken out of the equation!!!

Yes!!!!! That is exacrly what i am saying!!! Exactly!!!

Debt is an amount that has to be paid back.....it isnt going to be paid back!!!!

Talk about slow ont thuptake

Calm down you'll be having a heart attack.

I see Eddie' cashing in on this debt that you say isn't a debt by selling Euxton.

Orrrr bwfc the legal entity, selling euxton to raise cash to pay of ioffts hmrc liability....maybe

I thought that had been covered with the 5.5 million raised on the deal with the car park?

Maybe...dunno. No matter what. Eddie aynt getting his money before her majesty