comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 8 minutes ago
Yes there have been occasions where we have picked up the likes of Kante and Vardy from other clubs but they weren't powerless to sell them to us and they demanded a lot of money including sell on clauses
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And it looks like history could repeat itself. That's how it works. That helped you win the league and it'll help another team possibly reach their goals
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I'm not saying we haven't done it but not to the extent that the top clubs do and we don't form part of a cartel of successful clubs that can't be broken because of it
We didn't prize the majority of this team away from other clubs as I've just outlined in the examples provided. By enlarge we purchased cast outs and unwanted players and developed them. The top clubs rarely do that - they just pick off the best talent when it comes to the fore.
No one can ever break in to this elite group and we won't see another Leicester city story for 20 years more. Is that really what football fans want??
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If it happened every year then it wouldn't be much of a story.
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If different clubs were able to achieve success then I'm sure most fans would agree that it would be a good thing.
Who wants to see the same 4 or 5 competing for the next 20 years apart from their own fans of course
If different clubs were able to achieve success then I'm sure most fans would agree that it would be a good thing.
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Like Leicester and Man City winning the premier league by buying star players from smaller clubs?
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 minutes ago
Funny thing is the big boys couldn't beat us last season so cherry picking our best players is what they have to resort to. And people on here moan about Bayern poaching Dortmunds players.
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we are the only one in for one of your players and we beat you twice
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You didn't win the league though. Again....
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i defended you earlier
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 3 seconds ago
If different clubs were able to achieve success then I'm sure most fans would agree that it would be a good thing.
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Like Leicester and Man City winning the premier league by buying star players from smaller clubs?
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How on earth can you bracket Leicester and Man City together? Oh my days......
We built carefully and our first 11 cost less than Adam Lallana. I've just given you a list of players who were not stats at all when we signed them- they weren't wanted.
Are you actually reading these posts before formulating your embarassing counter arguments? We build this team over 4 years, mainly from ex man Utd academy players, some of our own youth academy players and signing hidden gems who weren't wanted by their clubs.
How is that remotely similar to man city buying the title in the space of 3 years....
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 minutes ago
Funny thing is the big boys couldn't beat us last season so cherry picking our best players is what they have to resort to. And people on here moan about Bayern poaching Dortmunds players.
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we are the only one in for one of your players and we beat you twice
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You didn't win the league though. Again....
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i defended you earlier
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Damn it I forgot about that. I take it back. Arsenal are awesome
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 7 minutes ago
If different clubs were able to achieve success then I'm sure most fans would agree that it would be a good thing.
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Like Leicester and Man City winning the premier league by buying star players from smaller clubs?
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Please tell me you're joking? You'd never heard of Vardy, Mahrez or Kante before we'd signed them. We gave them the platform to prove themselves and become the payers they are. The core of our team is created by 'rejects'.
How on earth can you bracket Leicester and Man City together?
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Didn't they break the dominance of the traditional sky 4 by winning the league? Wasn't that what you wanted? Different clubs to achieve success?
Are you actually reading these posts before formulating your embarassing counter arguments?
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Nah not really. Just find it odd that Leicester fans are all up in arms about a player who moved to them for bigger and better things, now wants to move on to a bigger club.
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 2 minutes ago
How on earth can you bracket Leicester and Man City together?
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Didn't they break the dominance of the traditional sky 4 by winning the league? Wasn't that what you wanted? Different clubs to achieve success?
Are you actually reading these posts before formulating your embarassing counter arguments?
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Nah not really. Just find it odd that Leicester fans are all up in arms about a player who moved to them for bigger and better things, now wants to move on to a bigger club.
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You find it odd because you have a very low IQ. You probably also find it odd that sun doesnt orbit the earth and that the moon isn't actually made of cheese.
Onto personal insults now because I can see why players want to move to bigger clubs? Jeez, no wonder Vardy and Kante want to leave Leicester now. Already seen the posts about hoping for injuries, judases, boo them if the play at KP again.
tough crowd
I haven't seen any posts hoping they get injured and not seen one call of Judas either. Some of us don't like how Vardy has gone about his business but most wish him well.
Again - you're not really reading posts properly, you just seem to be typing without thinking
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 27 minutes ago
I haven't seen any posts hoping they get injured and not seen one call of Judas either. Some of us don't like how Vardy has gone about his business but most wish him well.
Again - you're not really reading posts properly, you just seem to be typing without thinking
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comment by Champions of England (U21032)
posted 9 hours, 26 minutes ago
I think it's highly likely he'll be injured a lot, he only stayed fit because of our sports science and training methods which Arsenal don't have. The way he plays he'll pick up injuries if not looked after properly. And yes I will wish him injuries, the judas!
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All in one nice post.
Also, where you say you don't like how Vsrdy has gone about this, what exactly has he done?
From what I can tell, Arsenal made a bid, Leicester accepted, ranieri told the media about it.
That's one person and arro.
Right ok so Arro basically......
I've gone over countless times on this forum what I don't like about how Vardy and his agent have conducted themselves. If you're that interested - which lets face it you're not, click on one of the other links on this board
So blackstarr you think that clubs should only buy players who are not wanted by there club any longer?
That's the crux of your argument?
comment by Tiddles LFC (U17634)
posted 8 hours, 40 minutes ago
So blackstarr you think that clubs should only buy players who are not wanted by there club any longer?
That's the crux of your argument?
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No - the crux of my argument is that it's time to introduce salary caps or to level the field in some other way if possible to allow other clubs to compete for top 4.
There's an unbreakable cartel of 5 or 6 clubs at the minute (barring last seasons one off£ stopping the likes of Southampton, Everton, progressing any further by picking off their best players when it suits them. Look at Chelsea's pursuit of John Stones for example.
Whichever way you look at it the league has largely been dominated by this cartel of clubs for 20 years. It's inevitable we will lose our best players to them - what if it didn't have to be.
What if these big clubs were forced to do what others have to do and that's unearth hidden gems rather than wait for them to be the finished article before prising them away?
I'd also like to see this filter down to the football league as well.
Granted there will always be a transfer system where you bid for other clubs players. There will always be players who want to progress by moving up the ladder but it's like a big food chain at the minute. The top clubs are like the lions who devour everything and there is no way to change it
You were talking the other day about replacing vardy with gray from burnley.
They wouldn't want to sell him, you'd be poaching him from them. How is the situation any different?
comment by Tiddles LFC (U17634)
posted 4 minutes ago
You were talking the other day about replacing vardy with gray from burnley.
They wouldn't want to sell him, you'd be poaching him from them. How is the situation any different?
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I wasn't talking about that and I agree it's not much different and it doesn't sit very well with me if I'm honest.
The big difference with gray is that Burnley still have the final say on whether he goes and can demand very good money for him. With the release clause for Vardy which his agent insisted on, there's nothing we can do really.
All clubs are just stepping stones to the same old big clubs, I'd love to see a more level playing field in many ways
Okay fair enough then, thought it was you.
The thing is, the club should either negotiate a higher release clause or not agree to put it in there.
If he refuses to sign a contract because it doesn't have a lowish clause in there then they should have looked to move him on.
Clubs need to stop giving into the every desire of a player and his agent, that for me is the bigger issue. Not the fact clubs look to cherry pick the better players.
And I'd say it's actually better now than it ever was in terms of a more level playing field. Smaller clubs are able to sign some real quality, look at the talent sprinkled around the league. Newcastle were relegated with PSV's captain and player of the season from the year before ffs.
Looking back in history and all the lower clubs got robbed more or less, Liverpool for example in signing the likes of Keegan Rush dalglish souness etc all came from smaller clubs.
Nowadays more and more often the big clubs are buying off the big clubs. Arsenal signing Sanchez from Barca and ozil from real, United signing di Maria from real, Chelsea taking Torres off us, us taking sturridge off them, city taking sterling from us etc.
Some good points tiddles. Vardy was insistent on that clause as i understand it and the problem is that with a star player, clubs fear losing them for nothing when they get near to the end of their contract so feel they have no choice
How long was left on his contract before he signed the new one?
comment by Tiddles LFC (U17634)
posted 33 minutes ago
How long was left on his contract before he signed the new one?
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I think he had 1 year left so the club worried that we could lose him for a negligible amount this summer. We also lose 25% of any fee we get because of fleet woods sell on clause.
Fair enough.
It is what it is. I genuinely think there's better out there, no where near as big a loss as losing Kante will be
Release clauses are going to become more prominent IMO. With the TV money coming in, and the smaller (for want of a better way of putting it) clubs being less inclined to sell agents are going to want release clauses to get their piece of the pie.
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles LFC (U17634)
posted 33 minutes ago
How long was left on his contract before he signed the new one?
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I think he had 1 year left so the club worried that we could lose him for a negligible amount this summer. We also lose 25% of any fee we get because of fleet woods sell on clause.
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That's going to be hell of a boost for Fleetwood!!
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posted on 5/6/16
comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 8 minutes ago
Yes there have been occasions where we have picked up the likes of Kante and Vardy from other clubs but they weren't powerless to sell them to us and they demanded a lot of money including sell on clauses
------
And it looks like history could repeat itself. That's how it works. That helped you win the league and it'll help another team possibly reach their goals
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not saying we haven't done it but not to the extent that the top clubs do and we don't form part of a cartel of successful clubs that can't be broken because of it
We didn't prize the majority of this team away from other clubs as I've just outlined in the examples provided. By enlarge we purchased cast outs and unwanted players and developed them. The top clubs rarely do that - they just pick off the best talent when it comes to the fore.
No one can ever break in to this elite group and we won't see another Leicester city story for 20 years more. Is that really what football fans want??
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If it happened every year then it wouldn't be much of a story.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If different clubs were able to achieve success then I'm sure most fans would agree that it would be a good thing.
Who wants to see the same 4 or 5 competing for the next 20 years apart from their own fans of course
posted on 5/6/16
If different clubs were able to achieve success then I'm sure most fans would agree that it would be a good thing.
---------
Like Leicester and Man City winning the premier league by buying star players from smaller clubs?
posted on 5/6/16
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 minutes ago
Funny thing is the big boys couldn't beat us last season so cherry picking our best players is what they have to resort to. And people on here moan about Bayern poaching Dortmunds players.
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we are the only one in for one of your players and we beat you twice
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You didn't win the league though. Again....
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i defended you earlier
posted on 5/6/16
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 3 seconds ago
If different clubs were able to achieve success then I'm sure most fans would agree that it would be a good thing.
---------
Like Leicester and Man City winning the premier league by buying star players from smaller clubs?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How on earth can you bracket Leicester and Man City together? Oh my days......
We built carefully and our first 11 cost less than Adam Lallana. I've just given you a list of players who were not stats at all when we signed them- they weren't wanted.
Are you actually reading these posts before formulating your embarassing counter arguments? We build this team over 4 years, mainly from ex man Utd academy players, some of our own youth academy players and signing hidden gems who weren't wanted by their clubs.
How is that remotely similar to man city buying the title in the space of 3 years....
posted on 5/6/16
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 minutes ago
Funny thing is the big boys couldn't beat us last season so cherry picking our best players is what they have to resort to. And people on here moan about Bayern poaching Dortmunds players.
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we are the only one in for one of your players and we beat you twice
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You didn't win the league though. Again....
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i defended you earlier
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Damn it I forgot about that. I take it back. Arsenal are awesome
posted on 5/6/16
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 7 minutes ago
If different clubs were able to achieve success then I'm sure most fans would agree that it would be a good thing.
---------
Like Leicester and Man City winning the premier league by buying star players from smaller clubs?
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Please tell me you're joking? You'd never heard of Vardy, Mahrez or Kante before we'd signed them. We gave them the platform to prove themselves and become the payers they are. The core of our team is created by 'rejects'.
posted on 5/6/16
How on earth can you bracket Leicester and Man City together?
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Didn't they break the dominance of the traditional sky 4 by winning the league? Wasn't that what you wanted? Different clubs to achieve success?
Are you actually reading these posts before formulating your embarassing counter arguments?
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Nah not really. Just find it odd that Leicester fans are all up in arms about a player who moved to them for bigger and better things, now wants to move on to a bigger club.
posted on 5/6/16
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 2 minutes ago
How on earth can you bracket Leicester and Man City together?
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Didn't they break the dominance of the traditional sky 4 by winning the league? Wasn't that what you wanted? Different clubs to achieve success?
Are you actually reading these posts before formulating your embarassing counter arguments?
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Nah not really. Just find it odd that Leicester fans are all up in arms about a player who moved to them for bigger and better things, now wants to move on to a bigger club.
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You find it odd because you have a very low IQ. You probably also find it odd that sun doesnt orbit the earth and that the moon isn't actually made of cheese.
posted on 5/6/16
Onto personal insults now because I can see why players want to move to bigger clubs? Jeez, no wonder Vardy and Kante want to leave Leicester now. Already seen the posts about hoping for injuries, judases, boo them if the play at KP again.
tough crowd
posted on 5/6/16
I haven't seen any posts hoping they get injured and not seen one call of Judas either. Some of us don't like how Vardy has gone about his business but most wish him well.
Again - you're not really reading posts properly, you just seem to be typing without thinking
posted on 5/6/16
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 27 minutes ago
I haven't seen any posts hoping they get injured and not seen one call of Judas either. Some of us don't like how Vardy has gone about his business but most wish him well.
Again - you're not really reading posts properly, you just seem to be typing without thinking
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comment by Champions of England (U21032)
posted 9 hours, 26 minutes ago
I think it's highly likely he'll be injured a lot, he only stayed fit because of our sports science and training methods which Arsenal don't have. The way he plays he'll pick up injuries if not looked after properly. And yes I will wish him injuries, the judas!
Reply | Add Comment | Complain
All in one nice post.
Also, where you say you don't like how Vsrdy has gone about this, what exactly has he done?
From what I can tell, Arsenal made a bid, Leicester accepted, ranieri told the media about it.
posted on 5/6/16
That's one person and arro.
posted on 5/6/16
Right ok so Arro basically......
I've gone over countless times on this forum what I don't like about how Vardy and his agent have conducted themselves. If you're that interested - which lets face it you're not, click on one of the other links on this board
posted on 5/6/16
So blackstarr you think that clubs should only buy players who are not wanted by there club any longer?
That's the crux of your argument?
posted on 6/6/16
comment by Tiddles LFC (U17634)
posted 8 hours, 40 minutes ago
So blackstarr you think that clubs should only buy players who are not wanted by there club any longer?
That's the crux of your argument?
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No - the crux of my argument is that it's time to introduce salary caps or to level the field in some other way if possible to allow other clubs to compete for top 4.
There's an unbreakable cartel of 5 or 6 clubs at the minute (barring last seasons one off£ stopping the likes of Southampton, Everton, progressing any further by picking off their best players when it suits them. Look at Chelsea's pursuit of John Stones for example.
Whichever way you look at it the league has largely been dominated by this cartel of clubs for 20 years. It's inevitable we will lose our best players to them - what if it didn't have to be.
What if these big clubs were forced to do what others have to do and that's unearth hidden gems rather than wait for them to be the finished article before prising them away?
I'd also like to see this filter down to the football league as well.
Granted there will always be a transfer system where you bid for other clubs players. There will always be players who want to progress by moving up the ladder but it's like a big food chain at the minute. The top clubs are like the lions who devour everything and there is no way to change it
posted on 6/6/16
You were talking the other day about replacing vardy with gray from burnley.
They wouldn't want to sell him, you'd be poaching him from them. How is the situation any different?
posted on 6/6/16
comment by Tiddles LFC (U17634)
posted 4 minutes ago
You were talking the other day about replacing vardy with gray from burnley.
They wouldn't want to sell him, you'd be poaching him from them. How is the situation any different?
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I wasn't talking about that and I agree it's not much different and it doesn't sit very well with me if I'm honest.
The big difference with gray is that Burnley still have the final say on whether he goes and can demand very good money for him. With the release clause for Vardy which his agent insisted on, there's nothing we can do really.
All clubs are just stepping stones to the same old big clubs, I'd love to see a more level playing field in many ways
posted on 6/6/16
Okay fair enough then, thought it was you.
The thing is, the club should either negotiate a higher release clause or not agree to put it in there.
If he refuses to sign a contract because it doesn't have a lowish clause in there then they should have looked to move him on.
Clubs need to stop giving into the every desire of a player and his agent, that for me is the bigger issue. Not the fact clubs look to cherry pick the better players.
posted on 6/6/16
And I'd say it's actually better now than it ever was in terms of a more level playing field. Smaller clubs are able to sign some real quality, look at the talent sprinkled around the league. Newcastle were relegated with PSV's captain and player of the season from the year before ffs.
Looking back in history and all the lower clubs got robbed more or less, Liverpool for example in signing the likes of Keegan Rush dalglish souness etc all came from smaller clubs.
Nowadays more and more often the big clubs are buying off the big clubs. Arsenal signing Sanchez from Barca and ozil from real, United signing di Maria from real, Chelsea taking Torres off us, us taking sturridge off them, city taking sterling from us etc.
posted on 6/6/16
Some good points tiddles. Vardy was insistent on that clause as i understand it and the problem is that with a star player, clubs fear losing them for nothing when they get near to the end of their contract so feel they have no choice
posted on 6/6/16
How long was left on his contract before he signed the new one?
posted on 6/6/16
comment by Tiddles LFC (U17634)
posted 33 minutes ago
How long was left on his contract before he signed the new one?
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I think he had 1 year left so the club worried that we could lose him for a negligible amount this summer. We also lose 25% of any fee we get because of fleet woods sell on clause.
posted on 6/6/16
Fair enough.
It is what it is. I genuinely think there's better out there, no where near as big a loss as losing Kante will be
posted on 6/6/16
Release clauses are going to become more prominent IMO. With the TV money coming in, and the smaller (for want of a better way of putting it) clubs being less inclined to sell agents are going to want release clauses to get their piece of the pie.
posted on 6/6/16
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles LFC (U17634)
posted 33 minutes ago
How long was left on his contract before he signed the new one?
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I think he had 1 year left so the club worried that we could lose him for a negligible amount this summer. We also lose 25% of any fee we get because of fleet woods sell on clause.
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That's going to be hell of a boost for Fleetwood!!
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