Luiz was fantastic...topped the ranking in almost every department. As opposed to Kante who looked like a schoolboy last night.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/david-luiz-certainly-cant-blamed-chelseas-1-2-defeat-liverpool-stat-graphic/
Did anyone enjoy the Liverpool lovefest on sky last night
He was the only player who performed yesterday. The first goal was more down to zonal masking, where the whole team were obviously not comfortable with Conte's tactics.
Kante was all over the place yesterday, his passing was poor, and he was being dragged around the place by Liverpool's movement.
Luiz was our best player last night. I'd like to see him played in CM alongside Kante, could become an excellent combo.
In what was an overall dismal performance, I think it is a mistake to sing the praises of a player simply because he did ok and did not make a mistake.
Have we really sunk that low that an ok performance from a player merits praise?
I thought kante was our best player again. Kept winning the ball, but gave it away more than normal. Or gave it to someone who did give it away.
Kante was poor by his standards. Luiz was definitely our best player yesterday.
hmm dont really know what kante done wrong then? Won near enough every duel he had.
comment by vava1on1 (U4692)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
Luiz was fantastic...topped the ranking in almost every department. As opposed to Kante who looked like a schoolboy last night.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/david-luiz-certainly-cant-blamed-chelseas-1-2-defeat-liverpool-stat-graphic/
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Not surprised about those stats to be honest. And Kante definitely looked out of sorts - along with the rest of our midfield for most of the night. It really was a poor team performance and a wake up call to those of us who thought our first few games meant we'd be a shoe in for the title race.
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 6 minutes ago
hmm dont really know what kante done wrong then? Won near enough every duel he had.
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I would say it was mostly his passing that was off to be honest. I can remember a couple of times where we could've sprung a counter attack after he won the ball back and he either passed it out of play or behind the player killing our momentum.
And Biggish, I'm not saying that Luiz was amazing but he generally didn't put a foot wrong in defence as well as managing to contribute to our attack. Of course it wasn't a 10/10 performance but that doesn't mean it doesn't merit any praise.
If Luiz can perform like that on a regular basis and we sort out a decent partner for him then maybe we can start playing without one hand tied behind our back because of an overly defensive midfield. I can't think of a single top team who play with two destroyers like we do in Kante and Matic (not to mention Oscar who also puts in a fairly decent shift every match)
It's far too defensive and it stunts our attack as Costa and Hazard don't receive service in the right areas. Also, I'm not sure why we're still expecting Hazard to win games on his own. I know he didn't have a stellar performance by his standards but why on earth aren't Willian or Oscar picking up the slack? Messi doesn't do it on his own, neither does Ronaldo. And in the prem, City literally have 4 players on the field at any one time who can chip in with a decent number of assists/goals every season.
It's depressing to think how disfunctional our attack has been allowed to get. There's barely any attacking threat from our full backs and our attacking prowess through the centre has been muted ever since Fabregas got benched. When looking at our starting line-up only Hazard and Costa provide any sort of regular goal/assist threat. In two of our wins this season we relied on completely changing the structure of our attack by subbing on Bats and Fabregas to get the result. How can Conte not realise that this is completely unsustainable?
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I thought kante was our best player again. Kept winning the ball, but gave it away more than normal. Or gave it to someone who did give it away.
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I agree with you Nick, I have seen some Chelsea fans say on here that they felt he was poor last night but I didn't see it myself. He was the one player that did put a shift in, but I concede that he did give the ball away more often than usual, but for me he was much better than the rest of the midfield, who simply didn't match the effort or performance that Liverpool put in.
I don't get this carp about Luiz being some sort of clown. Do you believe Rooney is/was world class minididi? Look at the goals we've given away this past year with awful defensive choices/errors. £100m in transfer fees is an awful lot for a dud. The press/media just love to dig certain players out and he is one of them whilst others get an easy ride. He's not our first choice but after being snubbed the club made a last minute decision thta we needed someone and he was the best available on D Day
comment by minididi (U17584)
posted 25 minutes ago
And Biggish, I'm not saying that Luiz was amazing but he generally didn't put a foot wrong in defence as well as managing to contribute to our attack. Of course it wasn't a 10/10 performance but that doesn't mean it doesn't merit any praise.
If Luiz can perform like that on a regular basis and we sort out a decent partner for him then maybe we can start playing without one hand tied behind our back because of an overly defensive midfield. I can't think of a single top team who play with two destroyers like we do in Kante and Matic (not to mention Oscar who also puts in a fairly decent shift every match)
It's far too defensive and it stunts our attack as Costa and Hazard don't receive service in the right areas. Also, I'm not sure why we're still expecting Hazard to win games on his own. I know he didn't have a stellar performance by his standards but why on earth aren't Willian or Oscar picking up the slack? Messi doesn't do it on his own, neither does Ronaldo. And in the prem, City literally have 4 players on the field at any one time who can chip in with a decent number of assists/goals every season.
It's depressing to think how disfunctional our attack has been allowed to get. There's barely any attacking threat from our full backs and our attacking prowess through the centre has been muted ever since Fabregas got benched. When looking at our starting line-up only Hazard and Costa provide any sort of regular goal/assist threat. In two of our wins this season we relied on completely changing the structure of our attack by subbing on Bats and Fabregas to get the result. How can Conte not realise that this is completely unsustainable?
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It reminds of three years ago during Mourinho's first season, where Hazard was our only attacking outlet. Eden won't be back to his best until Fabregas is back and there is someone to help him out.
The fact that we haven't sorted out the fullback positions in the past four years is alarming. Ivanovic did play well during our title win, but its certainly clear for anyone for the past four years he isn't reliable as a RB.
It's depressing to think how disfunctional our attack has been allowed to get. There's barely any attacking threat from our full backs and our attacking prowess through the centre has been muted ever since Fabregas got benched. When looking at our starting line-up only Hazard and Costa provide any sort of regular goal/assist threat. In two of our wins this season we relied on completely changing the structure of our attack by subbing on Bats and Fabregas to get the result. How can Conte not realise that this is completely unsustainable?
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comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
I thought kante was our best player again. Kept winning the ball, but gave it away more than normal. Or gave it to someone who did give it away.
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He needs to get away from thinking he's like Marco Van basten from 30 yards though
We, as a team, were awful. Liverpool deserved their win - and it's hard for me to say that. When Liverpool got Klopp I was devastated as I think he'd have been a great coach for us.
When Terry doesn't play, we have no defence, simple as that. He's a pensioner and still our most important player ffs! We should have broken the bank for a top defender who could lead the team this summer. I don't mind Luiz but he's not the player we needed!
Also, Conte is too cautious. Matic should not play. We are missing that extra player because he insists on Matic and Oscar as a box to box player. Fabregas gives us more going forward and as we don't look capable of keeping a clean sheet, especially with Cahill the donkey playing, we need more goals. Ivanovic should not be near the team either - all the danger came from his side last night - terrible defender.
Oscar is definitely the most pointless player at the club.
He does absolutely nothing special, he's a yes man and just does what he's told and probably fits in well in the dressing room etc..
But what is he actually good at? And by good I mean great?? What makes him a top player?
I just can't think of anything for the life of me... He's not skilful, he's not quick, he's not get anything about him!? Yes he can shoot, he can pass... So can pretty much most if not all professional footballers!?
He's just fooking bang average...
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posted on 17/9/16
Luiz was fantastic...topped the ranking in almost every department. As opposed to Kante who looked like a schoolboy last night.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/david-luiz-certainly-cant-blamed-chelseas-1-2-defeat-liverpool-stat-graphic/
posted on 17/9/16
Did anyone enjoy the Liverpool lovefest on sky last night
posted on 17/9/16
He was the only player who performed yesterday. The first goal was more down to zonal masking, where the whole team were obviously not comfortable with Conte's tactics.
Kante was all over the place yesterday, his passing was poor, and he was being dragged around the place by Liverpool's movement.
posted on 17/9/16
Luiz was our best player last night. I'd like to see him played in CM alongside Kante, could become an excellent combo.
posted on 17/9/16
In what was an overall dismal performance, I think it is a mistake to sing the praises of a player simply because he did ok and did not make a mistake.
Have we really sunk that low that an ok performance from a player merits praise?
posted on 17/9/16
I thought kante was our best player again. Kept winning the ball, but gave it away more than normal. Or gave it to someone who did give it away.
posted on 17/9/16
Kante was poor by his standards. Luiz was definitely our best player yesterday.
posted on 17/9/16
hmm dont really know what kante done wrong then? Won near enough every duel he had.
posted on 17/9/16
comment by vava1on1 (U4692)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
Luiz was fantastic...topped the ranking in almost every department. As opposed to Kante who looked like a schoolboy last night.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/david-luiz-certainly-cant-blamed-chelseas-1-2-defeat-liverpool-stat-graphic/
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Not surprised about those stats to be honest. And Kante definitely looked out of sorts - along with the rest of our midfield for most of the night. It really was a poor team performance and a wake up call to those of us who thought our first few games meant we'd be a shoe in for the title race.
posted on 17/9/16
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 6 minutes ago
hmm dont really know what kante done wrong then? Won near enough every duel he had.
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I would say it was mostly his passing that was off to be honest. I can remember a couple of times where we could've sprung a counter attack after he won the ball back and he either passed it out of play or behind the player killing our momentum.
posted on 17/9/16
And Biggish, I'm not saying that Luiz was amazing but he generally didn't put a foot wrong in defence as well as managing to contribute to our attack. Of course it wasn't a 10/10 performance but that doesn't mean it doesn't merit any praise.
If Luiz can perform like that on a regular basis and we sort out a decent partner for him then maybe we can start playing without one hand tied behind our back because of an overly defensive midfield. I can't think of a single top team who play with two destroyers like we do in Kante and Matic (not to mention Oscar who also puts in a fairly decent shift every match)
It's far too defensive and it stunts our attack as Costa and Hazard don't receive service in the right areas. Also, I'm not sure why we're still expecting Hazard to win games on his own. I know he didn't have a stellar performance by his standards but why on earth aren't Willian or Oscar picking up the slack? Messi doesn't do it on his own, neither does Ronaldo. And in the prem, City literally have 4 players on the field at any one time who can chip in with a decent number of assists/goals every season.
It's depressing to think how disfunctional our attack has been allowed to get. There's barely any attacking threat from our full backs and our attacking prowess through the centre has been muted ever since Fabregas got benched. When looking at our starting line-up only Hazard and Costa provide any sort of regular goal/assist threat. In two of our wins this season we relied on completely changing the structure of our attack by subbing on Bats and Fabregas to get the result. How can Conte not realise that this is completely unsustainable?
posted on 17/9/16
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I thought kante was our best player again. Kept winning the ball, but gave it away more than normal. Or gave it to someone who did give it away.
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I agree with you Nick, I have seen some Chelsea fans say on here that they felt he was poor last night but I didn't see it myself. He was the one player that did put a shift in, but I concede that he did give the ball away more often than usual, but for me he was much better than the rest of the midfield, who simply didn't match the effort or performance that Liverpool put in.
posted on 17/9/16
I don't get this carp about Luiz being some sort of clown. Do you believe Rooney is/was world class minididi? Look at the goals we've given away this past year with awful defensive choices/errors. £100m in transfer fees is an awful lot for a dud. The press/media just love to dig certain players out and he is one of them whilst others get an easy ride. He's not our first choice but after being snubbed the club made a last minute decision thta we needed someone and he was the best available on D Day
posted on 17/9/16
comment by minididi (U17584)
posted 25 minutes ago
And Biggish, I'm not saying that Luiz was amazing but he generally didn't put a foot wrong in defence as well as managing to contribute to our attack. Of course it wasn't a 10/10 performance but that doesn't mean it doesn't merit any praise.
If Luiz can perform like that on a regular basis and we sort out a decent partner for him then maybe we can start playing without one hand tied behind our back because of an overly defensive midfield. I can't think of a single top team who play with two destroyers like we do in Kante and Matic (not to mention Oscar who also puts in a fairly decent shift every match)
It's far too defensive and it stunts our attack as Costa and Hazard don't receive service in the right areas. Also, I'm not sure why we're still expecting Hazard to win games on his own. I know he didn't have a stellar performance by his standards but why on earth aren't Willian or Oscar picking up the slack? Messi doesn't do it on his own, neither does Ronaldo. And in the prem, City literally have 4 players on the field at any one time who can chip in with a decent number of assists/goals every season.
It's depressing to think how disfunctional our attack has been allowed to get. There's barely any attacking threat from our full backs and our attacking prowess through the centre has been muted ever since Fabregas got benched. When looking at our starting line-up only Hazard and Costa provide any sort of regular goal/assist threat. In two of our wins this season we relied on completely changing the structure of our attack by subbing on Bats and Fabregas to get the result. How can Conte not realise that this is completely unsustainable?
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It reminds of three years ago during Mourinho's first season, where Hazard was our only attacking outlet. Eden won't be back to his best until Fabregas is back and there is someone to help him out.
The fact that we haven't sorted out the fullback positions in the past four years is alarming. Ivanovic did play well during our title win, but its certainly clear for anyone for the past four years he isn't reliable as a RB.
posted on 17/9/16
It's depressing to think how disfunctional our attack has been allowed to get. There's barely any attacking threat from our full backs and our attacking prowess through the centre has been muted ever since Fabregas got benched. When looking at our starting line-up only Hazard and Costa provide any sort of regular goal/assist threat. In two of our wins this season we relied on completely changing the structure of our attack by subbing on Bats and Fabregas to get the result. How can Conte not realise that this is completely unsustainable?
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posted on 17/9/16
comment by Nickalopodis (U9257)
I thought kante was our best player again. Kept winning the ball, but gave it away more than normal. Or gave it to someone who did give it away.
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He needs to get away from thinking he's like Marco Van basten from 30 yards though
posted on 17/9/16
We, as a team, were awful. Liverpool deserved their win - and it's hard for me to say that. When Liverpool got Klopp I was devastated as I think he'd have been a great coach for us.
When Terry doesn't play, we have no defence, simple as that. He's a pensioner and still our most important player ffs! We should have broken the bank for a top defender who could lead the team this summer. I don't mind Luiz but he's not the player we needed!
Also, Conte is too cautious. Matic should not play. We are missing that extra player because he insists on Matic and Oscar as a box to box player. Fabregas gives us more going forward and as we don't look capable of keeping a clean sheet, especially with Cahill the donkey playing, we need more goals. Ivanovic should not be near the team either - all the danger came from his side last night - terrible defender.
posted on 17/9/16
Oscar is definitely the most pointless player at the club.
He does absolutely nothing special, he's a yes man and just does what he's told and probably fits in well in the dressing room etc..
But what is he actually good at? And by good I mean great?? What makes him a top player?
I just can't think of anything for the life of me... He's not skilful, he's not quick, he's not get anything about him!? Yes he can shoot, he can pass... So can pretty much most if not all professional footballers!?
He's just fooking bang average...
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