comment by THUDDlol (U1029)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
No
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Yes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208?intlink_from_url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-38635035&link_location=live-reporting-story
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But...but...but..I thought this was impossible?!
R.I.P GB.
Just watched the speech. As expected was full of rhetoric and misinformation.
In reality Brexit will mean what 27 EU governments & 38 regional & national parliaments agree it means.
Admire that she gave a frank analysis but yet again has lessened the UK's ability in achieving best possible outcome by giving far too much information.
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 13 minutes ago
Admire that she gave a frank analysis but yet again has lessened the UK's ability in achieving best possible outcome by giving far too much information.
Wasn't this what you and others on here called for?
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Exactly.....accused of having no plan, then slated for speaking on said plan.
All over the shop, these remainers๐
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 19 minutes ago
Just watched the speech. As expected was full of rhetoric and misinformation.
In reality Brexit will mean what 27 EU governments & 38 regional & national parliaments agree it means.
Admire that she gave a frank analysis but yet again has lessened the UK's ability in achieving best possible outcome by giving far too much information.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Afternoon buddy,
Many remain voters seem OK with the May speech and brexit plan.
The economy is stronger than forecast by the IMF, and America will do more business with us.
I am optimistic.
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 46 minutes ago
Admire that she gave a frank analysis but yet again has lessened the UK's ability in achieving best possible outcome by giving far too much information.
Wasn't this what you and others on here called for?
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A plan yes. But when you listened to the speech, any negotiating leverage has now been lost. Also, a lot if what she said was total nonsense. Ie, negotiations outside of the EU, migration impacts, boarder control etc.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 19 minutes ago
Just watched the speech. As expected was full of rhetoric and misinformation.
In reality Brexit will mean what 27 EU governments & 38 regional & national parliaments agree it means.
Admire that she gave a frank analysis but yet again has lessened the UK's ability in achieving best possible outcome by giving far too much information.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Afternoon buddy,
Many remain voters seem OK with the May speech and brexit plan.
The economy is stronger than forecast by the IMF, and America will do more business with us.
I am optimistic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, absolute nonsense. The very first thing the US lobbyists will demand is US farma access to the NHS. It will have to be privatised before any FTA could be considered. Not to mention the UK waiving environmental, pollution, consumer, regulatory framework protections for starters.
The notion that the US will give the UK a favorable FTA is a fantasy.
And then there's us here in NI. A hard boarder will now be a prerequisite. Which will decimate essential cross boarder trade. As well as the consequences for the good Friday agreement.
So.. the day after Brexit every single EU law and regulation will still apply.
With any changes to them needing to be passed through parliament.
Hmmm if no laws are repealed, does that mean the folks in Brussels know what they were doing all along?
Also Teresa May has shot her bolt here a little bit, Supreme Court hasn't even divulged the ruling of whether the sitting Government can trigger Article 50 or not.
She wants to have a free trade agreement without being party to the single market or paying for access to it.
This will bring raucous bouts of laughter in the EU. Every single country will want the same. Smacks of David Davies and Liam Fox type of wtf-erry.
EU can borrow John Henry to tweet "what are they smoking over at Downing Street."
Redinthehead
When you look at the instruments and various EU mechanisms the government wish to enshrine into UK law, I understand it isn't possible to simply copy and paste in UK law.
There are many treaties (going back 40 yrs) which are spread across Europe. From what I can gather, those who wrote and implemented statute, believe it could take many many years simply acquiring the documents before the government can even begin to re-write them into UK law.
And that's assuming the EU have no objections that a non-EU state plan to plagiarize their laws. Which is another can of worms...
This in itself will take years to complete, and is just as complicated as brexit!
Reflecting on the Prime Ministers speech..
This to me, is the start of negotiations from Teresa May, prior to triggering article 50.
This will make the press and state that we are leaving the EU and going for free trade with the EU and make our own rules in trading with the rest of the world.
All sounds great, sheep will love it (!)
However cautioning against media urges to report, or ask for, blow by blow details is almost press censorship on the negotiation process.
Stating that leaks or reports of those leaks will be "against the national interest" is an attempt at keeping the public in the dark on any concessions / climb downs the Government will make against that opening negotiation statement. I.e.having of free trade with the EU without being in the single market and free to pursue free trade deals globally.
It's pie in the sky, but dumb people will believe that's what's going to happen.
Redinthehead
Kind of ironic that the government have yet to formulate any kind of costing. From leaving both the customs union and the SM. The most basic of financial planning.
People talk about waiving tarriffs etc which is an impossibility.
Reading some of the EUs comments on her speech, there at least is an acceptance that brexit will damage everyone. The EU included.
Regretfully the UK's reliance on the EU (a considerably larger bloc) is far greater than the EUs dependency on the UK (less than 2% of GDP). They are far better equipped to absorb brexit costs than the UK.
Without a transitional deal the UK loses not just free access to EU markets but 63 other countries around the world which the EU (and thus the UK) have FTA's with.
Thereby this is just a start point, a bit of posturing.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 43 minutes ago
Thereby this is just a start point, a bit of posturing.
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Albeit one which resonates around the world, that if you invest in UK you'll lose automatic, unrestricted access to market of 500m+ consumers...
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 22 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 43 minutes ago
Thereby this is just a start point, a bit of posturing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Albeit one which resonates around the world, that if you invest in UK you'll lose automatic, unrestricted access to market of 500m+ consumers...
---------
Yes.. that speech from Teresa May is not really doing much to encourage investment right now
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 22 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 43 minutes ago
Thereby this is just a start point, a bit of posturing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Albeit one which resonates around the world, that if you invest in UK you'll lose automatic, unrestricted access to market of 500m+ consumers...
---------
Yes.. that speech from Teresa May is not really doing much to encourage investment right now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pascal Lamy (former director general of the WTO) was interviewed on Newsnight this evening.
Pretty much confirms the (expert) diplomatic advice the government (to date) have chosen to ignore:
https://youtu.be/EdSRNU-CeFk
Theresa May's speech from 7 months ago.
Worst (or best depending on your view) U-turn in recent politics?!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2hNsVMXUAInleB.jpg:large
comment by IAWT... or do we? (U10012)
posted 27 minutes ago
Theresa May's speech from 7 months ago.
Worst (or best depending on your view) U-turn in recent politics?!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2hNsVMXUAInleB.jpg:large
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The Tory party manifesto also pledges a commitment that the UK will remain in the SM.
IMO, after the referendum result there should have been an election. This would have given MP's and each party to set out their vision for leaving the EU, in which the public could then have a say on.
Currently many MP's have the impossible task of towing the party line, which in many cases, differs to their own constituents.
The Tory party unfortunately have a free reign to interpret a binary choice to suit many different agendas.
"The Tory party unfortunately have a free reign"
So true. Right now they can, quite literally, do whatever they want and if anyone questions it they just say it's for the ultimate goal of leaving the EU and you can't argue or you're anti-democracy, or some similar simple minded nonsense. It feels like we've wandered into some kind of virtual dictatorship, ironic really given some of the arguments used for leaving the EU.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
"The Tory party unfortunately have a free reign"
So true. Right now they can, quite literally, do whatever they want and if anyone questions it they just say it's for the ultimate goal of leaving the EU and you can't argue or you're anti-democracy, or some similar simple minded nonsense. It feels like we've wandered into some kind of virtual dictatorship, ironic really given some of the arguments used for leaving the EU.
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Yet there are those who are so blinkered on leaving, they are totally disinterested in listening to the concerns of those with expertise.
Tory drum beaters in Berlin trying to convince German industry to lobby the German government to give Britain a good trade deal. Got short thrift.
Brexiteers thought Germany would be falling over backwards to give Britain free trade.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 34 minutes ago
Tory drum beaters in Berlin trying to convince German industry to lobby the German government to give Britain a good trade deal. Got short thrift.
Brexiteers thought Germany would be falling over backwards to give Britain free trade.
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Vote Leave's chief economist (Patrick Minford) did say pre Brexit, leaving the EU would mostly "eliminate" the UK manufacturing industry but not enough people seemed to be bothered.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
Tory drum beaters in Berlin trying to convince German industry to lobby the German government to give Britain a good trade deal. Got short thrift.
Brexiteers thought Germany would be falling over backwards to give Britain free trade.
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BBC article relating to German industry.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38707997
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posted on 16/1/17
No
posted on 16/1/17
comment by THUDDlol (U1029)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
No
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Yes
posted on 17/1/17
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38641208?intlink_from_url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-38635035&link_location=live-reporting-story
======
But...but...but..I thought this was impossible?!
R.I.P GB.
posted on 17/1/17
Just watched the speech. As expected was full of rhetoric and misinformation.
In reality Brexit will mean what 27 EU governments & 38 regional & national parliaments agree it means.
Admire that she gave a frank analysis but yet again has lessened the UK's ability in achieving best possible outcome by giving far too much information.
posted on 17/1/17
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/1/17
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 13 minutes ago
Admire that she gave a frank analysis but yet again has lessened the UK's ability in achieving best possible outcome by giving far too much information.
Wasn't this what you and others on here called for?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly.....accused of having no plan, then slated for speaking on said plan.
All over the shop, these remainers๐
posted on 17/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 19 minutes ago
Just watched the speech. As expected was full of rhetoric and misinformation.
In reality Brexit will mean what 27 EU governments & 38 regional & national parliaments agree it means.
Admire that she gave a frank analysis but yet again has lessened the UK's ability in achieving best possible outcome by giving far too much information.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Afternoon buddy,
Many remain voters seem OK with the May speech and brexit plan.
The economy is stronger than forecast by the IMF, and America will do more business with us.
I am optimistic.
posted on 17/1/17
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 46 minutes ago
Admire that she gave a frank analysis but yet again has lessened the UK's ability in achieving best possible outcome by giving far too much information.
Wasn't this what you and others on here called for?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A plan yes. But when you listened to the speech, any negotiating leverage has now been lost. Also, a lot if what she said was total nonsense. Ie, negotiations outside of the EU, migration impacts, boarder control etc.
posted on 17/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 19 minutes ago
Just watched the speech. As expected was full of rhetoric and misinformation.
In reality Brexit will mean what 27 EU governments & 38 regional & national parliaments agree it means.
Admire that she gave a frank analysis but yet again has lessened the UK's ability in achieving best possible outcome by giving far too much information.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Afternoon buddy,
Many remain voters seem OK with the May speech and brexit plan.
The economy is stronger than forecast by the IMF, and America will do more business with us.
I am optimistic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, absolute nonsense. The very first thing the US lobbyists will demand is US farma access to the NHS. It will have to be privatised before any FTA could be considered. Not to mention the UK waiving environmental, pollution, consumer, regulatory framework protections for starters.
The notion that the US will give the UK a favorable FTA is a fantasy.
And then there's us here in NI. A hard boarder will now be a prerequisite. Which will decimate essential cross boarder trade. As well as the consequences for the good Friday agreement.
posted on 17/1/17
So.. the day after Brexit every single EU law and regulation will still apply.
With any changes to them needing to be passed through parliament.
Hmmm if no laws are repealed, does that mean the folks in Brussels know what they were doing all along?
Also Teresa May has shot her bolt here a little bit, Supreme Court hasn't even divulged the ruling of whether the sitting Government can trigger Article 50 or not.
She wants to have a free trade agreement without being party to the single market or paying for access to it.
This will bring raucous bouts of laughter in the EU. Every single country will want the same. Smacks of David Davies and Liam Fox type of wtf-erry.
EU can borrow John Henry to tweet "what are they smoking over at Downing Street."
posted on 17/1/17
Redinthehead
When you look at the instruments and various EU mechanisms the government wish to enshrine into UK law, I understand it isn't possible to simply copy and paste in UK law.
There are many treaties (going back 40 yrs) which are spread across Europe. From what I can gather, those who wrote and implemented statute, believe it could take many many years simply acquiring the documents before the government can even begin to re-write them into UK law.
And that's assuming the EU have no objections that a non-EU state plan to plagiarize their laws. Which is another can of worms...
This in itself will take years to complete, and is just as complicated as brexit!
posted on 17/1/17
Reflecting on the Prime Ministers speech..
This to me, is the start of negotiations from Teresa May, prior to triggering article 50.
This will make the press and state that we are leaving the EU and going for free trade with the EU and make our own rules in trading with the rest of the world.
All sounds great, sheep will love it (!)
However cautioning against media urges to report, or ask for, blow by blow details is almost press censorship on the negotiation process.
Stating that leaks or reports of those leaks will be "against the national interest" is an attempt at keeping the public in the dark on any concessions / climb downs the Government will make against that opening negotiation statement. I.e.having of free trade with the EU without being in the single market and free to pursue free trade deals globally.
It's pie in the sky, but dumb people will believe that's what's going to happen.
posted on 17/1/17
Redinthehead
Kind of ironic that the government have yet to formulate any kind of costing. From leaving both the customs union and the SM. The most basic of financial planning.
People talk about waiving tarriffs etc which is an impossibility.
Reading some of the EUs comments on her speech, there at least is an acceptance that brexit will damage everyone. The EU included.
Regretfully the UK's reliance on the EU (a considerably larger bloc) is far greater than the EUs dependency on the UK (less than 2% of GDP). They are far better equipped to absorb brexit costs than the UK.
Without a transitional deal the UK loses not just free access to EU markets but 63 other countries around the world which the EU (and thus the UK) have FTA's with.
posted on 17/1/17
Thereby this is just a start point, a bit of posturing.
posted on 17/1/17
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 43 minutes ago
Thereby this is just a start point, a bit of posturing.
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Albeit one which resonates around the world, that if you invest in UK you'll lose automatic, unrestricted access to market of 500m+ consumers...
posted on 18/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 22 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 43 minutes ago
Thereby this is just a start point, a bit of posturing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Albeit one which resonates around the world, that if you invest in UK you'll lose automatic, unrestricted access to market of 500m+ consumers...
---------
Yes.. that speech from Teresa May is not really doing much to encourage investment right now
posted on 18/1/17
I am away to Gambia.
posted on 18/1/17
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 22 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 43 minutes ago
Thereby this is just a start point, a bit of posturing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Albeit one which resonates around the world, that if you invest in UK you'll lose automatic, unrestricted access to market of 500m+ consumers...
---------
Yes.. that speech from Teresa May is not really doing much to encourage investment right now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pascal Lamy (former director general of the WTO) was interviewed on Newsnight this evening.
Pretty much confirms the (expert) diplomatic advice the government (to date) have chosen to ignore:
https://youtu.be/EdSRNU-CeFk
posted on 19/1/17
Theresa May's speech from 7 months ago.
Worst (or best depending on your view) U-turn in recent politics?!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2hNsVMXUAInleB.jpg:large
posted on 19/1/17
comment by IAWT... or do we? (U10012)
posted 27 minutes ago
Theresa May's speech from 7 months ago.
Worst (or best depending on your view) U-turn in recent politics?!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2hNsVMXUAInleB.jpg:large
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Tory party manifesto also pledges a commitment that the UK will remain in the SM.
IMO, after the referendum result there should have been an election. This would have given MP's and each party to set out their vision for leaving the EU, in which the public could then have a say on.
Currently many MP's have the impossible task of towing the party line, which in many cases, differs to their own constituents.
The Tory party unfortunately have a free reign to interpret a binary choice to suit many different agendas.
posted on 19/1/17
"The Tory party unfortunately have a free reign"
So true. Right now they can, quite literally, do whatever they want and if anyone questions it they just say it's for the ultimate goal of leaving the EU and you can't argue or you're anti-democracy, or some similar simple minded nonsense. It feels like we've wandered into some kind of virtual dictatorship, ironic really given some of the arguments used for leaving the EU.
posted on 19/1/17
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
"The Tory party unfortunately have a free reign"
So true. Right now they can, quite literally, do whatever they want and if anyone questions it they just say it's for the ultimate goal of leaving the EU and you can't argue or you're anti-democracy, or some similar simple minded nonsense. It feels like we've wandered into some kind of virtual dictatorship, ironic really given some of the arguments used for leaving the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yet there are those who are so blinkered on leaving, they are totally disinterested in listening to the concerns of those with expertise.
posted on 21/1/17
Tory drum beaters in Berlin trying to convince German industry to lobby the German government to give Britain a good trade deal. Got short thrift.
Brexiteers thought Germany would be falling over backwards to give Britain free trade.
posted on 21/1/17
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 34 minutes ago
Tory drum beaters in Berlin trying to convince German industry to lobby the German government to give Britain a good trade deal. Got short thrift.
Brexiteers thought Germany would be falling over backwards to give Britain free trade.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Vote Leave's chief economist (Patrick Minford) did say pre Brexit, leaving the EU would mostly "eliminate" the UK manufacturing industry but not enough people seemed to be bothered.
posted on 23/1/17
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - ููุณุทูู (U1860)
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
Tory drum beaters in Berlin trying to convince German industry to lobby the German government to give Britain a good trade deal. Got short thrift.
Brexiteers thought Germany would be falling over backwards to give Britain free trade.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BBC article relating to German industry.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38707997
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