Yes but it will still take at least another ten years before they overtake the amount of petrol cars on the road was my point due to the small amount of new cars vs overall cars.
Bear in mind it's currently at 1.3% and that's inclusive of hybrids, it would take an enormous shift to get to 50% let alone all.
Who is looking to replace their entire range with electric?
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes but it will still take at least another ten years before they overtake the amount of petrol cars on the road was my point due to the small amount of new cars vs overall cars.
Bear in mind it's currently at 1.3% and that's inclusive of hybrids, it would take an enormous shift to get to 50% let alone all.
Who is looking to replace their entire range with electric?
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Tesla.......
I'm quite interested to see how the government will raise the tax lost from fuel duty & road tax once electric becomes the norm.
petrol will be around for a while yet Melton, as you sat they make up 99% of cars, but electric is set become the new standard,
BMW and VW have hinted at moving entirely electric, but to be honest, all manufacturers will have to, electric is simply better.
comment by Drunken Hobo (U7360)
posted 47 minutes ago
I'm quite interested to see how the government will raise the tax lost from fuel duty & road tax once electric becomes the norm.
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They'll probably be spending less on treating a lot of respiratory illnesses and a few types of cancer...
Seriously though, road tax won't disappear - why should it?-, and they'll probably find a way of levying a tax on electricity used for powering cars.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Melton, the majority (if not practically all) new cars sold in ten years are not electric I will be surprised, some manufacturers are looking to replace their entire range with electric.
It is just better.
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Yes, it probably is better. But personally I can't see the infrastructure being in place in such a short of time for electric cars to take over like that. "Charging" them is surely a problem: can it ever be as quick and convenient as filling up?
No, but is filling up really all that quick and convenient? The nearest petrol station to me is a round trip of 13.3 miles, whereas the nearest plug is right next to my left foot.
You have to go out of your way to fill up with petrol, whereas you can just leave your car on charge overnight.
With the vast majority of journeys, electric would be more convenient. It's just the 1% of journeys that are over 150-200 miles where they're massively inconvenient.
But what do you do about those long-distance drives? You'd need to know exactly where you could charge etc...
Plus, in my experience, about 50% of people would keep forgetting to charge overnight and there'd be abandoned cars all over the road!
Also not every house has a garage.... How would they charge
Also those thatlive in flats etc
Clockwork, The car knows how much power it has and how far it can travel on that charge, if it requires topping up, it can also point you in the direction of the nearest charging point.
People will need to change their old habits, but plugging in your car when you get home, is far more convenient than, pulling in for gas.
People in flats just need a really long extension cable
So most inner cities will be trip hazards
It will happen eventually, it has to, I just highly doubt some of the timescales being suggested here. It will at least be a move to hybrid before all electric.
Yes trip hazards, but if you own an electric car, you have another place to get a charge and it's free (as long as the owner doesn't catch you)
As Melton says it is inevitable, we can disagree on timescales, but when every car manufacturer is building an electric car, that is a pretty clear message where they think motoring is going.
Inevitable perhaps. But theres a lot of very powerful people who have a lot of investment in oil. They won't go easily.
And then you have America. A country that are daft enough to elect trump, will not want to give up their right to gas guzzling 4.5 litre hemi's easily either-and they are a huge market for car manufacturers.
Baz I would agree, but I dont think there is anything that can be done to stop it.
The simple fact is electric is better, it's only shortfall is range, but there are solutions, and eventually batteries will catch up.
Tesla has shown the way, car companies would be stupid to ignore their success.
a friend of my ma has driven toyota prius hybrids for over a decade, so u can go that route as well. Seems like a good car
They are going to get more and more popular, no doubt that.
There are a couple of things they will probably need to think about - nowadays you don't get a spare tire in your car, you just have an emergency puncture kit, so instead if tires pop you emergency puncture it. So instead of a tire have an emergency spare battery pack which could be plugged in to charge your car in an emergency (like you get for your phones these days).
Most people would probably never need it, but having that in there for piece of mind would make people more likely to consider it and like has been said, once they start to sell it gets the ball rolling quicker on the infrastructure.
Battery life also needs addressing, but there, all they have to do is say we will replace the batteries after x amount of miles as part of your servicing.
What you have to remember about battery power is it builds up, so if a battery gets 5% better each year then it will build up fairly quickly.
Imagine you have a battery that is 100
It improves by by 5% then in year two the battery is now 105
So 5% of 105 is 5.25 rather than just 5, so each year it builds up so improvements mean that after a short period battery power is actually improved greater than you think.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
It will happen eventually, it has to, I just highly doubt some of the timescales being suggested here. It will at least be a move to hybrid before all electric.
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This is what I think.
just get a prius - they are battle tested, you get heating and AC, all the range you want, provided that you can find a gas station
I think the Prius loses one of the benefits of a fully electric car, which is simplicity, of course you gain range, but the work that is being done on electric cars, even that will be solved.
I'm liking the Tesla Model X, which is a well thought out car, and they are certainly thinking out of the box, instead of the usual speed dial etc, it looks like it will have some sort of HUD display.
Also it's an open secret that both Google and Apple are looking to get into the electric car market.
Google and apple onestep closer to big brother
A little bit cynical Tino, In many ways it makes perfect sense for them to enter the car market, with the simplicity of electric, the car is more about tech.
With auto pilot the next big thing, it's a perfect fit for the tech companies.
#bigbrother
They'll know where you bin.. How long you were there...
That is true Tino, but me visiting Asda is no big deal.
Mind you me parked outside their house while I give their misses a good rogering could be problematic
exactly...gonna have to start parking further away from the knock-off's
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posted on 30/12/16
Yes but it will still take at least another ten years before they overtake the amount of petrol cars on the road was my point due to the small amount of new cars vs overall cars.
Bear in mind it's currently at 1.3% and that's inclusive of hybrids, it would take an enormous shift to get to 50% let alone all.
Who is looking to replace their entire range with electric?
posted on 30/12/16
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes but it will still take at least another ten years before they overtake the amount of petrol cars on the road was my point due to the small amount of new cars vs overall cars.
Bear in mind it's currently at 1.3% and that's inclusive of hybrids, it would take an enormous shift to get to 50% let alone all.
Who is looking to replace their entire range with electric?
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Tesla.......
posted on 30/12/16
I'm quite interested to see how the government will raise the tax lost from fuel duty & road tax once electric becomes the norm.
posted on 30/12/16
petrol will be around for a while yet Melton, as you sat they make up 99% of cars, but electric is set become the new standard,
BMW and VW have hinted at moving entirely electric, but to be honest, all manufacturers will have to, electric is simply better.
posted on 31/12/16
comment by Drunken Hobo (U7360)
posted 47 minutes ago
I'm quite interested to see how the government will raise the tax lost from fuel duty & road tax once electric becomes the norm.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They'll probably be spending less on treating a lot of respiratory illnesses and a few types of cancer...
Seriously though, road tax won't disappear - why should it?-, and they'll probably find a way of levying a tax on electricity used for powering cars.
posted on 31/12/16
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Melton, the majority (if not practically all) new cars sold in ten years are not electric I will be surprised, some manufacturers are looking to replace their entire range with electric.
It is just better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, it probably is better. But personally I can't see the infrastructure being in place in such a short of time for electric cars to take over like that. "Charging" them is surely a problem: can it ever be as quick and convenient as filling up?
posted on 31/12/16
No, but is filling up really all that quick and convenient? The nearest petrol station to me is a round trip of 13.3 miles, whereas the nearest plug is right next to my left foot.
You have to go out of your way to fill up with petrol, whereas you can just leave your car on charge overnight.
With the vast majority of journeys, electric would be more convenient. It's just the 1% of journeys that are over 150-200 miles where they're massively inconvenient.
posted on 31/12/16
But what do you do about those long-distance drives? You'd need to know exactly where you could charge etc...
Plus, in my experience, about 50% of people would keep forgetting to charge overnight and there'd be abandoned cars all over the road!
posted on 31/12/16
Also not every house has a garage.... How would they charge
Also those thatlive in flats etc
posted on 31/12/16
Clockwork, The car knows how much power it has and how far it can travel on that charge, if it requires topping up, it can also point you in the direction of the nearest charging point.
People will need to change their old habits, but plugging in your car when you get home, is far more convenient than, pulling in for gas.
People in flats just need a really long extension cable
posted on 31/12/16
So most inner cities will be trip hazards
posted on 31/12/16
It will happen eventually, it has to, I just highly doubt some of the timescales being suggested here. It will at least be a move to hybrid before all electric.
posted on 31/12/16
Yes trip hazards, but if you own an electric car, you have another place to get a charge and it's free (as long as the owner doesn't catch you)
As Melton says it is inevitable, we can disagree on timescales, but when every car manufacturer is building an electric car, that is a pretty clear message where they think motoring is going.
posted on 31/12/16
Inevitable perhaps. But theres a lot of very powerful people who have a lot of investment in oil. They won't go easily.
And then you have America. A country that are daft enough to elect trump, will not want to give up their right to gas guzzling 4.5 litre hemi's easily either-and they are a huge market for car manufacturers.
posted on 31/12/16
Baz I would agree, but I dont think there is anything that can be done to stop it.
The simple fact is electric is better, it's only shortfall is range, but there are solutions, and eventually batteries will catch up.
Tesla has shown the way, car companies would be stupid to ignore their success.
posted on 1/1/17
a friend of my ma has driven toyota prius hybrids for over a decade, so u can go that route as well. Seems like a good car
posted on 1/1/17
They are going to get more and more popular, no doubt that.
There are a couple of things they will probably need to think about - nowadays you don't get a spare tire in your car, you just have an emergency puncture kit, so instead if tires pop you emergency puncture it. So instead of a tire have an emergency spare battery pack which could be plugged in to charge your car in an emergency (like you get for your phones these days).
Most people would probably never need it, but having that in there for piece of mind would make people more likely to consider it and like has been said, once they start to sell it gets the ball rolling quicker on the infrastructure.
Battery life also needs addressing, but there, all they have to do is say we will replace the batteries after x amount of miles as part of your servicing.
What you have to remember about battery power is it builds up, so if a battery gets 5% better each year then it will build up fairly quickly.
Imagine you have a battery that is 100
It improves by by 5% then in year two the battery is now 105
So 5% of 105 is 5.25 rather than just 5, so each year it builds up so improvements mean that after a short period battery power is actually improved greater than you think.
posted on 1/1/17
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
It will happen eventually, it has to, I just highly doubt some of the timescales being suggested here. It will at least be a move to hybrid before all electric.
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This is what I think.
posted on 3/1/17
just get a prius - they are battle tested, you get heating and AC, all the range you want, provided that you can find a gas station
posted on 3/1/17
I think the Prius loses one of the benefits of a fully electric car, which is simplicity, of course you gain range, but the work that is being done on electric cars, even that will be solved.
I'm liking the Tesla Model X, which is a well thought out car, and they are certainly thinking out of the box, instead of the usual speed dial etc, it looks like it will have some sort of HUD display.
Also it's an open secret that both Google and Apple are looking to get into the electric car market.
posted on 3/1/17
Google and apple onestep closer to big brother
posted on 4/1/17
A little bit cynical Tino, In many ways it makes perfect sense for them to enter the car market, with the simplicity of electric, the car is more about tech.
With auto pilot the next big thing, it's a perfect fit for the tech companies.
posted on 4/1/17
#bigbrother
They'll know where you bin.. How long you were there...
posted on 4/1/17
That is true Tino, but me visiting Asda is no big deal.
Mind you me parked outside their house while I give their misses a good rogering could be problematic
posted on 4/1/17
exactly...gonna have to start parking further away from the knock-off's
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