comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by Robb Mkhitaryan (U21234)
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
I couldn't care less what you believe. That there is the big difference between me and you, I don't go running to admin asking to be taken off here you emotional sack of shiiit. I'll bet my flat on it you get a kick from being here
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You're the one getting emotional my good man. I though you came on here for a laugh?
You seem rattled! Once you've finished counting your pennies and drinking Lambrini log back on and we can talk
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Rattled?? Just responded to a man very fascinated by my life it seems. Do you want to know what goes behind does cafe styled offices? Clue: Wolf of wall street. So not only are we useless my good man.....
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I literally have no idea what you just typed.
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Give it a rest mate I'm tired of your nonsense. You can go do this with VC.
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Valencia has bee decent but not a patch on our full backs of a few seasons ago. Selling Rafael was a mistake by LVG. Darmian looked good in Italy but has sadly been a flop here.
Valencia has made the position his own, and credit to him, but we're not going to really count him as a top full back are we? It seems these days that if a full back can run very fast, can cross the ball 25% of the time and has a lot of stamina he will be considered a good FB.
I do wonder if Scholay and OP booked a hotel room to thrash out their passion for each other over the course of the evening.
Half of you are idiots
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Agreed.
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted on 8/11/14
comment by Busbybabes (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
But valencia can't defend
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That fact seems to be lost on the op.
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comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
Yep it's really frustrating to watch.
Overlapping full backs are so important when trying to break down ten men walls. Despite Shaw doing ok on the other side he doesn't excel at it like Rafael does. There's a reason we always look better with him in the team. I can't actually fathom how people can't see it and think Valencia is actually a footballer (let alone a right back).
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Scholaymong being owned 😂😂
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 9 hours, 49 minutes ago
I'm saying he's been shiiiiit for years, both at right back and right wing.
This season he's been decent. Credit where it's due. But let's not try and rewrite history here, he's playing far better now than he has done in years. Hardly an I told you so moment when the other three years he was poor in this position.
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I'd say he was decent first half of last season, was good second half of last season, and has been excellent so far this season.
He's so dependable now. I'd argue defensively as good as any right back in the PL, and better than most going forward. A bunch of good crosses yesterday, won us at least two corners and a freekick in a very dangerous spot.
One of the first names on the teamsheet now and a big miss when he's out.
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 5 hours, 37 minutes ago
Valencia has bee decent but not a patch on our full backs of a few seasons ago. Selling Rafael was a mistake by LVG. Darmian looked good in Italy but has sadly been a flop here.
Valencia has made the position his own, and credit to him, but we're not going to really count him as a top full back are we? It seems these days that if a full back can run very fast, can cross the ball 25% of the time and has a lot of stamina he will be considered a good FB.
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Valencia is playing at a consistently higher level now than Rafael ever played for us.
And he still can't defend.
He is doing okay, no better or worse. However we would be far better off with somebody who can consistently put a good cross in, makes use of being the player with the most space in our side and he'll never learn the art of positioning.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 minutes ago
And he still can't defend.
He is doing okay, no better or worse. However we would be far better off with somebody who can consistently put a good cross in, makes use of being the player with the most space in our side and he'll never learn the art of positioning.
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He's a very good defensive rightback.
Tell me the last goal we conceded as a result of a Valencia error.
In fact, tell me how many goals we have conceded this season that have come from our right hand side.
Don't blame the OP for being smug after getting criticised on his original thread.
Still not a big fan of Valencia at RB though.
I don't think positionally his game is very good and I think it is a weakness in our back four.
I'd rather see an orthodox right back there and am surprised with all the money we've spent, we still don't have one.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 15 minutes ago
Don't blame the OP for being smug after getting criticised on his original thread.
Still not a big fan of Valencia at RB though.
I don't think positionally his game is very good and I think it is a weakness in our back four.
I'd rather see an orthodox right back there and am surprised with all the money we've spent, we still don't have one.
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Funny how these chumps want to ridicule someone when it suits them, few years later it is proven they were talking absolute nonsense, and don't want to face the facts now.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 15 minutes ago
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Funny how these chumps want to ridicule someone when it suits them, few years later it is proven they were talking absolute nonsense, and don't want to face the facts now.
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Come on lads. He was probably unloved and neglected when younger and hoping to gain some of it back in this delightful community.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 15 minutes ago
Don't blame the OP for being smug after getting criticised on his original thread.
Still not a big fan of Valencia at RB though.
I don't think positionally his game is very good and I think it is a weakness in our back four.
I'd rather see an orthodox right back there and am surprised with all the money we've spent, we still don't have one.
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Funny how these chumps want to ridicule someone when it suits them, few years later it is proven they were talking absolute nonsense, and don't want to face the facts now.
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Like you with LVG perhaps?
comment by mauricechavez (U20656)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 15 minutes ago
<blah blah>
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Funny how these chumps want to ridicule someone when it suits them, few years later it is proven they were talking absolute nonsense, and don't want to face the facts now.
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Come on lads. He was probably unloved and neglected when younger and hoping to gain some of it back in this delightful community.
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comment by rossobianchi - Got_Nameback (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 minutes ago
And he still can't defend.
He is doing okay, no better or worse. However we would be far better off with somebody who can consistently put a good cross in, makes use of being the player with the most space in our side and he'll never learn the art of positioning.
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He's a very good defensive rightback.
Tell me the last goal we conceded as a result of a Valencia error.
In fact, tell me how many goals we have conceded this season that have come from our right hand side.
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Well he was atrocious against Man City, Chelsea and Watford.
He has his positive attributes, he is quick, he is powerful, good 1 vs 1, has great staminahe is a real pro.
The main issue I have with him is his positioning. Often a ball floats behind him from a cross on the left, he is really poor at defending runs and passes inside of him.
It only really shows up when we play sides who play those intricate passes though, for the best part he has been good this season, defensively, with the occasional good game going forward.
We can do better, that is undeniable. He has improved though.
"Well he was atrocious against Man City, Chelsea and Watford."
He was one of our best players against City and Watford (more interceptions and tackles than anyone else that game), and was without doubt our outstanding player against Chelsea.
He wasn't brilliant in any of those games, granted, but relatively speaking, he did well in comparison with our other players.
I'm still looking for the figures, but I would bet money that we've conceded far fewer goals from our right hand side than we have from the left or through the centre this season.
Across the campaign so far, he's simply been our best and most consistent defender.
No offence, rosso, but then you are talking shiiiiit. Valencia was shocking for four years prior to this season. I honestly don't know how people can argue otherwise. People always do this when a player's form improves - they try and rewrite history, same thing has happened with Jones and Rojo.
Valencia isn't even that great now. He's improved massively but is still suspect off the ball and is crap at crossing. Still an area we need to upgrade but luckily he's become dependable rather than the liability we've seen for three years.
Couldn't care less what the stats say. City tore Valencia and Mkhi a new one, cutting them open time and again on that flank. Lucky we were 4 down before we scored.
And he was taken off against Watford if I remember, he was awful.
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
No offence, rosso, but then you are talking shiiiiit. Valencia was shocking for four years prior to this season. I honestly don't know how people can argue otherwise. People always do this when a player's form improves - they try and rewrite history, same thing has happened with Jones and Rojo.
Valencia isn't even that great now. He's improved massively but is still suspect off the ball and is crap at crossing. Still an area we need to upgrade but luckily he's become dependable rather than the liability we've seen for three years.
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None taken!
If you read my posts, I'm not arguing he was great at RB before this season. I've said he was solid enough last season, improving through the year, and that he's been excellent so far this term.
I'm also not suggesting he's perfect; of course there are flaws in his game. But he's become a very dependable player, and has been by a comfortable stretch our best full back this season. The left back spot is far more of a concern for me.
Did you not think he was one of our best players in the games Busby mentioned? He was clearly our best player against Chelsea IMO, and I am failing to think of a really poor game he's had all season.
For what it's worth, both Squawka and Whoscored currently rate him as amongst the top ten fullbacks in Europe's top five leagues based on this season's performances.
Whom would you rather have than him of all the PL's right backs?
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
Couldn't care less what the stats say. City tore Valencia and Mkhi a new one, cutting them open time and again on that flank. Lucky we were 4 down before we scored.
And he was taken off against Watford if I remember, he was awful.
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He had zero protection against City, and it was actually primarily KDB tearing our centrebacks a new one over and over if you watch the highlights again.
I've asked Darren, and I'll ask you: whom would you swap him for in the PL?
Valencia shows time and again why he isn't a t right back with his positional sense and ability to sense the danger of off the ball runners. He's got much better and become more disciplined with it this season, but when people say he can't defend they aren't too far off in this deacription - especially when he just brainlessly drifts away from his position.
One on one he's good, can't really knock him there even when he was playing shiiiiiiiit for four years, tended to be one of his best attributes.
Half a season of good form, however, does not maketh a player.
I don't think he was solid enough, though. He was awful last season. And the two seasons prior.
Interesting question actually as there's a real lack of quality right backs in the prem.
I'm not the biggest fan of Walker and Bellerin but when these are two of the top right backs in the league it shows the dearth of quality.
I'd agree with you on Valencia being one of the best performing right backs this season. For one reason or another the likes of Clyne, Bellerin, Walker, Azpi, Sagna, or Coleman would be more valuable.
I'd have Azpi, Walker, Coleman, Bellerin, possibly Clyne or Sagna.
And that's a position that's low on quality in the PL.
We have more of a need in other positions if we are honest, but if we are to get near to the Europes elite, we will struggle to do so with Valencia at rb.
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posted on 11/1/17
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robb Mkhitaryan (U21234)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Robb Mkhitaryan (U21234)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
I couldn't care less what you believe. That there is the big difference between me and you, I don't go running to admin asking to be taken off here you emotional sack of shiiit. I'll bet my flat on it you get a kick from being here
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You're the one getting emotional my good man. I though you came on here for a laugh?
You seem rattled! Once you've finished counting your pennies and drinking Lambrini log back on and we can talk
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Rattled?? Just responded to a man very fascinated by my life it seems. Do you want to know what goes behind does cafe styled offices? Clue: Wolf of wall street. So not only are we useless my good man.....
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I literally have no idea what you just typed.
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Give it a rest mate I'm tired of your nonsense. You can go do this with VC.
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posted on 11/1/17
Valencia has bee decent but not a patch on our full backs of a few seasons ago. Selling Rafael was a mistake by LVG. Darmian looked good in Italy but has sadly been a flop here.
Valencia has made the position his own, and credit to him, but we're not going to really count him as a top full back are we? It seems these days that if a full back can run very fast, can cross the ball 25% of the time and has a lot of stamina he will be considered a good FB.
posted on 11/1/17
I do wonder if Scholay and OP booked a hotel room to thrash out their passion for each other over the course of the evening.
posted on 11/1/17
Half of you are idiots
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Agreed.
posted on 11/1/17
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted on 8/11/14
comment by Busbybabes (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
But valencia can't defend
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That fact seems to be lost on the op.
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posted on 11/1/17
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
Yep it's really frustrating to watch.
Overlapping full backs are so important when trying to break down ten men walls. Despite Shaw doing ok on the other side he doesn't excel at it like Rafael does. There's a reason we always look better with him in the team. I can't actually fathom how people can't see it and think Valencia is actually a footballer (let alone a right back).
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posted on 11/1/17
Scholaymong being owned 😂😂
posted on 11/1/17
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 9 hours, 49 minutes ago
I'm saying he's been shiiiiit for years, both at right back and right wing.
This season he's been decent. Credit where it's due. But let's not try and rewrite history here, he's playing far better now than he has done in years. Hardly an I told you so moment when the other three years he was poor in this position.
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I'd say he was decent first half of last season, was good second half of last season, and has been excellent so far this season.
He's so dependable now. I'd argue defensively as good as any right back in the PL, and better than most going forward. A bunch of good crosses yesterday, won us at least two corners and a freekick in a very dangerous spot.
One of the first names on the teamsheet now and a big miss when he's out.
posted on 11/1/17
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 5 hours, 37 minutes ago
Valencia has bee decent but not a patch on our full backs of a few seasons ago. Selling Rafael was a mistake by LVG. Darmian looked good in Italy but has sadly been a flop here.
Valencia has made the position his own, and credit to him, but we're not going to really count him as a top full back are we? It seems these days that if a full back can run very fast, can cross the ball 25% of the time and has a lot of stamina he will be considered a good FB.
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Valencia is playing at a consistently higher level now than Rafael ever played for us.
posted on 11/1/17
And he still can't defend.
He is doing okay, no better or worse. However we would be far better off with somebody who can consistently put a good cross in, makes use of being the player with the most space in our side and he'll never learn the art of positioning.
posted on 11/1/17
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 minutes ago
And he still can't defend.
He is doing okay, no better or worse. However we would be far better off with somebody who can consistently put a good cross in, makes use of being the player with the most space in our side and he'll never learn the art of positioning.
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He's a very good defensive rightback.
Tell me the last goal we conceded as a result of a Valencia error.
In fact, tell me how many goals we have conceded this season that have come from our right hand side.
posted on 11/1/17
Don't blame the OP for being smug after getting criticised on his original thread.
Still not a big fan of Valencia at RB though.
I don't think positionally his game is very good and I think it is a weakness in our back four.
I'd rather see an orthodox right back there and am surprised with all the money we've spent, we still don't have one.
posted on 11/1/17
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 15 minutes ago
Don't blame the OP for being smug after getting criticised on his original thread.
Still not a big fan of Valencia at RB though.
I don't think positionally his game is very good and I think it is a weakness in our back four.
I'd rather see an orthodox right back there and am surprised with all the money we've spent, we still don't have one.
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Funny how these chumps want to ridicule someone when it suits them, few years later it is proven they were talking absolute nonsense, and don't want to face the facts now.
posted on 11/1/17
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 15 minutes ago
<blah blah>
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Funny how these chumps want to ridicule someone when it suits them, few years later it is proven they were talking absolute nonsense, and don't want to face the facts now.
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Come on lads. He was probably unloved and neglected when younger and hoping to gain some of it back in this delightful community.
posted on 11/1/17
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 15 minutes ago
Don't blame the OP for being smug after getting criticised on his original thread.
Still not a big fan of Valencia at RB though.
I don't think positionally his game is very good and I think it is a weakness in our back four.
I'd rather see an orthodox right back there and am surprised with all the money we've spent, we still don't have one.
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Funny how these chumps want to ridicule someone when it suits them, few years later it is proven they were talking absolute nonsense, and don't want to face the facts now.
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Like you with LVG perhaps?
posted on 11/1/17
comment by mauricechavez (U20656)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 15 minutes ago
<blah blah>
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Funny how these chumps want to ridicule someone when it suits them, few years later it is proven they were talking absolute nonsense, and don't want to face the facts now.
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Come on lads. He was probably unloved and neglected when younger and hoping to gain some of it back in this delightful community.
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posted on 11/1/17
comment by rossobianchi - Got_Nameback (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 minutes ago
And he still can't defend.
He is doing okay, no better or worse. However we would be far better off with somebody who can consistently put a good cross in, makes use of being the player with the most space in our side and he'll never learn the art of positioning.
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He's a very good defensive rightback.
Tell me the last goal we conceded as a result of a Valencia error.
In fact, tell me how many goals we have conceded this season that have come from our right hand side.
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Well he was atrocious against Man City, Chelsea and Watford.
He has his positive attributes, he is quick, he is powerful, good 1 vs 1, has great staminahe is a real pro.
The main issue I have with him is his positioning. Often a ball floats behind him from a cross on the left, he is really poor at defending runs and passes inside of him.
It only really shows up when we play sides who play those intricate passes though, for the best part he has been good this season, defensively, with the occasional good game going forward.
We can do better, that is undeniable. He has improved though.
posted on 11/1/17
"Well he was atrocious against Man City, Chelsea and Watford."
He was one of our best players against City and Watford (more interceptions and tackles than anyone else that game), and was without doubt our outstanding player against Chelsea.
He wasn't brilliant in any of those games, granted, but relatively speaking, he did well in comparison with our other players.
I'm still looking for the figures, but I would bet money that we've conceded far fewer goals from our right hand side than we have from the left or through the centre this season.
Across the campaign so far, he's simply been our best and most consistent defender.
posted on 11/1/17
No offence, rosso, but then you are talking shiiiiit. Valencia was shocking for four years prior to this season. I honestly don't know how people can argue otherwise. People always do this when a player's form improves - they try and rewrite history, same thing has happened with Jones and Rojo.
Valencia isn't even that great now. He's improved massively but is still suspect off the ball and is crap at crossing. Still an area we need to upgrade but luckily he's become dependable rather than the liability we've seen for three years.
posted on 11/1/17
Couldn't care less what the stats say. City tore Valencia and Mkhi a new one, cutting them open time and again on that flank. Lucky we were 4 down before we scored.
And he was taken off against Watford if I remember, he was awful.
posted on 11/1/17
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
No offence, rosso, but then you are talking shiiiiit. Valencia was shocking for four years prior to this season. I honestly don't know how people can argue otherwise. People always do this when a player's form improves - they try and rewrite history, same thing has happened with Jones and Rojo.
Valencia isn't even that great now. He's improved massively but is still suspect off the ball and is crap at crossing. Still an area we need to upgrade but luckily he's become dependable rather than the liability we've seen for three years.
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None taken!
If you read my posts, I'm not arguing he was great at RB before this season. I've said he was solid enough last season, improving through the year, and that he's been excellent so far this term.
I'm also not suggesting he's perfect; of course there are flaws in his game. But he's become a very dependable player, and has been by a comfortable stretch our best full back this season. The left back spot is far more of a concern for me.
Did you not think he was one of our best players in the games Busby mentioned? He was clearly our best player against Chelsea IMO, and I am failing to think of a really poor game he's had all season.
For what it's worth, both Squawka and Whoscored currently rate him as amongst the top ten fullbacks in Europe's top five leagues based on this season's performances.
Whom would you rather have than him of all the PL's right backs?
posted on 11/1/17
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
Couldn't care less what the stats say. City tore Valencia and Mkhi a new one, cutting them open time and again on that flank. Lucky we were 4 down before we scored.
And he was taken off against Watford if I remember, he was awful.
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He had zero protection against City, and it was actually primarily KDB tearing our centrebacks a new one over and over if you watch the highlights again.
I've asked Darren, and I'll ask you: whom would you swap him for in the PL?
posted on 11/1/17
Valencia shows time and again why he isn't a t right back with his positional sense and ability to sense the danger of off the ball runners. He's got much better and become more disciplined with it this season, but when people say he can't defend they aren't too far off in this deacription - especially when he just brainlessly drifts away from his position.
One on one he's good, can't really knock him there even when he was playing shiiiiiiiit for four years, tended to be one of his best attributes.
Half a season of good form, however, does not maketh a player.
posted on 11/1/17
I don't think he was solid enough, though. He was awful last season. And the two seasons prior.
Interesting question actually as there's a real lack of quality right backs in the prem.
I'm not the biggest fan of Walker and Bellerin but when these are two of the top right backs in the league it shows the dearth of quality.
I'd agree with you on Valencia being one of the best performing right backs this season. For one reason or another the likes of Clyne, Bellerin, Walker, Azpi, Sagna, or Coleman would be more valuable.
posted on 11/1/17
I'd have Azpi, Walker, Coleman, Bellerin, possibly Clyne or Sagna.
And that's a position that's low on quality in the PL.
We have more of a need in other positions if we are honest, but if we are to get near to the Europes elite, we will struggle to do so with Valencia at rb.
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