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posted on 11/1/17

The Prem fixture congestion is an absolute joke. Ridiculous. Liverpool played Sunderland on the 2nd of January and then have to play their next Premier League match just a fortnight later. Other leagues have a two week break or so between league fixtures over winter, and play meaningless cup games between those to allow their best players to rest. This is something we need to introduce here in England. We’d never get a two week break with only meaningless cup games in between.

posted on 11/1/17

How happy you make me oh Barry

posted on 11/1/17

You cant really complain about fixture congestion when in the cups you ALWAYS get the home.leg second hence why you make it through most rounds.

posted on 11/1/17

Got Plymouth away second leg you wum how can you say they just get easy home fixtures they should get through when they were thrown up Plymouth away in the Cup. A long away trip they’d definitely want to have avoided if they could. You absolute WUM.

posted on 11/1/17

i get the feeling klopp doesn't give a fack about the FA cup

tbh this season i don't either, a top 4 finish is the priority and getting to the league cup final would be great and then shiiittttting all over the mancs in the final would be

posted on 11/1/17

id take a draw tonite,and win against the wancs on sunday love fa cup though

posted on 11/1/17

Do agree we often get the second leg at home but that's the luck of the draw and not something unique to Liverpool so not sure your point stands.

I'm not blaming the cups for anything I'm asking when we are so close to a league cup final, very well placed in the league to challenge are reds happy to play a young side again and potentially go out, and if that happens but we are in the league cup final how annoyed would you be with the fa cup exit?

posted on 11/1/17

I think the early rounds of the FA Cup have just fallen at the wrong time for us in Klopps first two seasons.

Last season we had a ridiculous injury crisis, so obviously the FA Cup was the lowest priority, and we got a tough draw in a decent West Ham side (but still took them to the last minute of ET with a reserve side).

This season we are better off injury wise, but the fixtures have given us huge games against Man Utd, Chelsea and Spurs this month, and our progress in the league cup (with not particularly strong sides firmed up to now) leave us only two games from another final, which obviously pushes that above the FA Cup.

We have got kinder draws in the cup this time though, so should be able to progress to the last 16 even with weakened teams (or a better chance of doing so than last season).

I'm am sure if we are still in the FA Cup at that stage we will start to field stronger teams if the opponent warrants it, but right now it doesn't suit us to do so.

You have to manage the squad, and Klopp has lots of experience of this from his Dortmund days when they were regularly competing for the title, and in Europe, and trying to win the DFB Pokal.

I am happier with Klopp doing the rotating than with Rodgers for example, who didn't have that experience.

posted on 11/1/17

I dont get even remotely interested in the facup until around quarters so couldn't care less if we went out. Saying that though our youth should still bear Plymouth and i wont be complaining if we do

posted on 11/1/17

comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think the early rounds of the FA Cup have just fallen at the wrong time for us in Klopps first two seasons.

Last season we had a ridiculous injury crisis, so obviously the FA Cup was the lowest priority, and we got a tough draw in a decent West Ham side (but still took them to the last minute of ET with a reserve side).

This season we are better off injury wise, but the fixtures have given us huge games against Man Utd, Chelsea and Spurs this month, and our progress in the league cup (with not particularly strong sides firmed up to now) leave us only two games from another final, which obviously pushes that above the FA Cup.

We have got kinder draws in the cup this time though, so should be able to progress to the last 16 even with weakened teams (or a better chance of doing so than last season).

I'm am sure if we are still in the FA Cup at that stage we will start to field stronger teams if the opponent warrants it, but right now it doesn't suit us to do so.

You have to manage the squad, and Klopp has lots of experience of this from his Dortmund days when they were regularly competing for the title, and in Europe, and trying to win the DFB Pokal.

I am happier with Klopp doing the rotating than with Rodgers for example, who didn't have that experience.
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spot on bud

posted on 11/1/17

As said above. Our reserves should be good enough to beat Plymouth and wolves. On Sunday, that origi goal counts and we win by about 4 Imo. We were never uncomfortable for a moment.

Get through those two games and the league cup is already finished. From therein you can concentrate on the FA cup.

Let's be honest, the early rounds of any cup, european included, are purely about getting through, however narrow the margin. You do the bare minimum.

posted on 11/1/17

Domestic trophies aren't important. They give you Europa League football (unless you finish in the top 4)

How many people go into work and will boast to any fan of Chelsea/Man City/Man United/Arsenal about winning a domestic trophy?

They're shiite and irritating.

Fair enough if you're squad is strong enough to accommodate the extra games - but no first team players should be anywhere other than Merseyside tonight.

posted on 11/1/17

I actually wouldn't mind United winning the league cup. Guaranteeing them EL football if they don't finish 4th.

Best thing that happened to us last season was losing to City.

We definitely wouldn't be 2nd in the league if we were playing EL football.

posted on 11/1/17

comment by MaccaRuss (U18932)
posted 4 minutes ago
Domestic trophies aren't important. They give you Europa League football (unless you finish in the top 4)

How many people go into work and will boast to any fan of Chelsea/Man City/Man United/Arsenal about winning a domestic trophy?

They're shiite and irritating.

Fair enough if you're squad is strong enough to accommodate the extra games - but no first team players should be anywhere other than Merseyside tonight.
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Clearly not a Liverpool fan

Anyone who thinks like that is clearly on the WUM

posted on 11/1/17

comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by MaccaRuss (U18932)
posted 4 minutes ago
Domestic trophies aren't important. They give you Europa League football (unless you finish in the top 4)

How many people go into work and will boast to any fan of Chelsea/Man City/Man United/Arsenal about winning a domestic trophy?

They're shiite and irritating.

Fair enough if you're squad is strong enough to accommodate the extra games - but no first team players should be anywhere other than Merseyside tonight.
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Clearly not a Liverpool fan

Anyone who thinks like that is clearly on the WUM
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Who am I trying to wind up?
It's logical thinking. Are you going to go Into work and boast about winning a trophy which you beat Plymouth on the way to winning?

I'd rather finish top 4 every year. Chances of then challenging for the title increase dramatically.
And I probably go to Anfield significantly more than you.

posted on 11/1/17

Then there's the old "cup win is a catalyst" and "winning mentality" b0llocks.

Helped out Wigan, Portsmouth, Swansea, Birmingham, Boro an awful lot didn't it.

Domestic trophies are for small clubs or mega rich. If you're in the middle like Arsenal, Liverpool and potentially Spurs they should be fooooked off.

13/14 we lost in the LC 3R and FA 5th? After the FA loss we THEN went on that winning run before Gerrards slip.

Leicester did well in the domestic trophies last year - that must have helped their title challenge....

Oh, no. They were out of both domestic cups by January. (FA 3R - LC 4R)

posted on 11/1/17

I've always thought the league cup a good trophy to win. In fact it always annoyed me a little that. Fergie didn't always take it seriously. There aren't many trophies to play for, it's early in the season and a win takes pressure off and sets you up.

posted on 12/1/17

comment by MaccaRuss (U18932)
posted 7 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by MaccaRuss (U18932)
posted 4 minutes ago
Domestic trophies aren't important. They give you Europa League football (unless you finish in the top 4)

How many people go into work and will boast to any fan of Chelsea/Man City/Man United/Arsenal about winning a domestic trophy?

They're shiite and irritating.

Fair enough if you're squad is strong enough to accommodate the extra games - but no first team players should be anywhere other than Merseyside tonight.
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Clearly not a Liverpool fan

Anyone who thinks like that is clearly on the WUM
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Who am I trying to wind up?
It's logical thinking. Are you going to go Into work and boast about winning a trophy which you beat Plymouth on the way to winning?

I'd rather finish top 4 every year. Chances of then challenging for the title increase dramatically.
And I probably go to Anfield significantly more than you.
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You'd rather finish 4th every season and never win a trophy again? You must be a laugh at parties.

posted on 12/1/17

comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 5 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by MaccaRuss (U18932)
posted 7 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by MaccaRuss (U18932)
posted 4 minutes ago
Domestic trophies aren't important. They give you Europa League football (unless you finish in the top 4)

How many people go into work and will boast to any fan of Chelsea/Man City/Man United/Arsenal about winning a domestic trophy?

They're shiite and irritating.

Fair enough if you're squad is strong enough to accommodate the extra games - but no first team players should be anywhere other than Merseyside tonight.
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Clearly not a Liverpool fan

Anyone who thinks like that is clearly on the WUM
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who am I trying to wind up?
It's logical thinking. Are you going to go Into work and boast about winning a trophy which you beat Plymouth on the way to winning?

I'd rather finish top 4 every year. Chances of then challenging for the title increase dramatically.
And I probably go to Anfield significantly more than you.
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You'd rather finish 4th every season and never win a trophy again? You must be a laugh at parties.
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No. I'd rather finish in the top 4 every year and potentially win the CL and have a crack at the league.

Long term benefits.

posted on 12/1/17

comment by MaccaRuss (U18932)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 5 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by MaccaRuss (U18932)
posted 7 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by MaccaRuss (U18932)
posted 4 minutes ago
Domestic trophies aren't important. They give you Europa League football (unless you finish in the top 4)

How many people go into work and will boast to any fan of Chelsea/Man City/Man United/Arsenal about winning a domestic trophy?

They're shiite and irritating.

Fair enough if you're squad is strong enough to accommodate the extra games - but no first team players should be anywhere other than Merseyside tonight.
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Clearly not a Liverpool fan

Anyone who thinks like that is clearly on the WUM
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who am I trying to wind up?
It's logical thinking. Are you going to go Into work and boast about winning a trophy which you beat Plymouth on the way to winning?

I'd rather finish top 4 every year. Chances of then challenging for the title increase dramatically.
And I probably go to Anfield significantly more than you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'd rather finish 4th every season and never win a trophy again? You must be a laugh at parties.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. I'd rather finish in the top 4 every year and potentially win the CL and have a crack at the league.

Long term benefits.
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Oh yeah. The model that's worked so well for arsenal over the years.

Let's be honest. I bet you can better remember the league cup finals since the turn of the century than the games that clinched a 4th placed finish.

posted on 12/1/17

Why are you so concerned with boasting at work?

Do you actually like football or just use it as a manhood extension?

posted on 12/1/17

comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 5 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by MaccaRuss (U18932)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 5 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by MaccaRuss (U18932)
posted 7 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by MaccaRuss (U18932)
posted 4 minutes ago
Domestic trophies aren't important. They give you Europa League football (unless you finish in the top 4)

How many people go into work and will boast to any fan of Chelsea/Man City/Man United/Arsenal about winning a domestic trophy?

They're shiite and irritating.

Fair enough if you're squad is strong enough to accommodate the extra games - but no first team players should be anywhere other than Merseyside tonight.
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Clearly not a Liverpool fan

Anyone who thinks like that is clearly on the WUM
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who am I trying to wind up?
It's logical thinking. Are you going to go Into work and boast about winning a trophy which you beat Plymouth on the way to winning?

I'd rather finish top 4 every year. Chances of then challenging for the title increase dramatically.
And I probably go to Anfield significantly more than you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'd rather finish 4th every season and never win a trophy again? You must be a laugh at parties.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. I'd rather finish in the top 4 every year and potentially win the CL and have a crack at the league.

Long term benefits.
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Oh yeah. The model that's worked so well for arsenal over the years.

Let's be honest. I bet you can better remember the league cup finals since the turn of the century than the games that clinched a 4th placed finish.
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Arsenal over the past 10 years have won more trophies than Liverpool. And been in Europe every year.

They also finished 2nd last season.

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