The world will go on much as before, money makes it tick, Trump / brexit do not = armageddon. Just liek no teveryone who voted for either is a etc.
The "elephant in the room" would seem to be uncontrolled immigration?
But at least 50% of our immigrants during the last recorded period (about 200,000 persons), came from NON-EU countries.
If controlling immigration is so important, everyone needs to ask themselves why were these 200,000 persons allowed to come here?
The other rhetoric that makes me laugh, is how we are going to massively increase our exports now that the Pound Sterling has devalued. The only problem is that we have to IMPORT most of the stuff to manufacture anything, so that means it costs us more to make it now!!!
I build electrical systems (control panels), the only part that is made in the UK is the cable, which represents less than 1% of my costs, all the other components have increased in cost by at least 5% since the vote!
Uncontrolled immigration really bugs me, seeing as how it doesn't exist. EU citizens don't have to apply for a working visa, that much is true. But it's not as if we're not checking passports in Dover.
The poster had Syrian Refugees on it ffs, nothing to do with the EU.
I can fully understand that people want stricter laws on immigration, but the idea our borders are open is laughable
"America indicating it wants to do a quick trade deal."
_______________
Surely not...what happened to all that "Britain has to join the back of the queue" bollox?
"But at least 50% of our immigrants during the last recorded period (about 200,000 persons), came from NON-EU countries.
If controlling immigration is so important, everyone needs to ask themselves why were these 200,000 persons allowed to come here?"
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Because immigration from non EU countries is already more controlled.
You need passports and VISA's and stuff that you don't currently need to cross European borders.
In terms of immigration, all Brexit is about is introducing proper controls. What's wrong with that? What is the benefit of having no control over your own borders?
If people are happy about there being controls for Non-EU immigrants then why get so moody about introducing similar controls for EU immigrants?
What's the problem?
it's not as if we're not checking passports in Dover.
_________________
I have personally been through Dover and not had my passport checked. How do I know this? My passport was invalid as it was 2 years out of date...nobody cared or even facking noticed!
And how come that terrorist in Germany was able to cross multiple Euro borders without being stopped even when there was a Euopean-wide man-hunt in operation. Who exactly checked his passport?
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 1 minute ago
it's not as if we're not checking passports in Dover.
_________________
I have personally been through Dover and not had my passport checked. How do I know this? My passport was invalid as it was 2 years out of date...nobody cared or even facking noticed!
And how come that terrorist in Germany was able to cross multiple Euro borders without being stopped even when there was a Euopean-wide man-hunt in operation. Who exactly checked his passport?
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Valid points, the question raised though is for the sake of security do we slow down the lives of everyone by checking every passport at every border in Europe?
american customs and passport checks are the worst.
Valid points, the question raised though is for the sake of security do we slow down the lives of everyone by checking every passport at every border in Europe?
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I agree that is an inconvenience. I'd rather have to get to an airport earlier than increase the risk of being blown up though!
Or increase the risk of the wrong people getting into the UK en masse...
It isn't ideal but unfortunately there is nothing ideal about a war on terror.
Also, we all accept that rising and ageing population is an issue. We all hear about the strain on public services, health, policing, education, housing etc. but not many people want to admit that the population issue is partly related to uncontrolled immigration.
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 22 minutes ago
Because immigration from non EU countries is already more controlled.
You need passports and VISA's and stuff that you don't currently need to cross European borders.
In terms of immigration, all Brexit is about is introducing proper controls. What's wrong with that? What is the benefit of having no control over your own borders?
If people are happy about there being controls for Non-EU immigrants then why get so moody about introducing similar controls for EU immigrants?
What's the problem?
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So the UK is pi55ed-off with 200,000 EU "immigrants", but absolutely fine with the other 200,000 non-EU immigrants?
I don't think that was the BREXITERS voted for, (just saying)?
So the UK is pi55ed-off with 200,000 EU "immigrants", but absolutely fine with the other 200,000 non-EU immigrants?
I don't think that was the BREXITERS voted for, (just saying)?
_________________
Where did you get the idea that the UK was pi55ed off with anyone or anything?
Brexit is not even remotely about stopping imigration, it is only about improving controls so that we know who we are letting in and why.
This is already the case with non-EU immigration so what is the problem?
Why should someone from Eastern Europe find it far easier to get into the UK than someone from America, for example?
Not really sure leavers know what they voted for.
Ask a leave voter how this was going to make Britain great again and watch the total lack of a decent answer.
LQ,
Let's hear your "decent answer" for how remaining in the EU would make Britain great again.
comment by ScouseRam (U9675)
posted 40 minutes ago
The "elephant in the room" would seem to be uncontrolled immigration?
But at least 50% of our immigrants during the last recorded period (about 200,000 persons), came from NON-EU countries.
If controlling immigration is so important, everyone needs to ask themselves why were these 200,000 persons allowed to come here?
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I'd assume that a big majority of those 200K are students (Chinese, Indian, African, etc..) who by the way, contribute a lot to the economie and education system. For example, I'm not sure how Oxford colleages would survive without them.
Brexit was about posh boys with private educations and big egos getting a hard-on about being on telly alot.
They also tend to have a big bank balance, so any downturn in the economy has little affect on their lifestyle.
Farage wanted Britain to be "Great Again", got his wish by winning the vote and then pi55ed-off to the USA!
I wonder how many of the "out" vote leaders privately and under their breath said "oh fluck" when the votes were counted?
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 23 minutes ago
it's not as if we're not checking passports in Dover.
_________________
I have personally been through Dover and not had my passport checked. How do I know this? My passport was invalid as it was 2 years out of date...nobody cared or even facking noticed!
And how come that terrorist in Germany was able to cross multiple Euro borders without being stopped even when there was a Euopean-wide man-hunt in operation. Who exactly checked his passport?
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Bit different for us as we are an island, therefore it's easier to have something in place. On mainland Europe, travelling by train makes it much harder to introduce some of those checks at borders. The only free border we have is between RoI and NI.
I also think from memory this was something we opted out of from the original treaty that created it, it's another one of those EU rules that don't apply to the UK.
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 8 minutes ago
LQ,
Let's hear your "decent answer" for how remaining in the EU would make Britain great again.
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Well being part of the single market brings less volatility in the markets, the pound was stronger.
In terms of security and sharing intelligence it's is better off, and the eu money helped major building projects money I fear wouldn't be available were it just down to a British government.
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 13 minutes ago
LQ,
Let's hear your "decent answer" for how remaining in the EU would make Britain great again.
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How do you think leaving would make us great again "if you voted out I don't know"
Well being part of the single market brings less volatility in the markets, the pound was stronger.
_______________
It is widely accepted that this volatility is due to the uncertainty of what is to come - not down to leaving the EU per se.
"In terms of security and sharing intelligence it's is better off"
_________________
There is no evidence for this whatsoever and there are different schools of thought on this. Basically, this is your opinion, far from established fact. Many experts believe we will be far safer when we have control of our own borders. And why would leaving the EU prevent intelligence agencies from sharing information? We share information with America, Canada, Australia etc. Are they members of the EU?
", and the eu money helped major building projects money I fear wouldn't be available were it just down to a British government."
_________________
The UK has always been a net contributor to the EU so I am unconvinced by any argument that claims the UK is reliant on subsidies from Europe! We have the second largest economy in Europe so whose cash do you think we are reliant on exactly?
Also, what about the UK industries (e.g. Steel) that many believe we could have saved if we were not bound by EU regulations?
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 13 minutes ago
LQ,
Let's hear your "decent answer" for how remaining in the EU would make Britain great again.
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How do you think leaving would make us great again "if you voted out I don't know"
_______________
I didn't vote to leave but in my comment above I have at least partially addressed this question.
I never said we would be "great again" if we left the EU but I am far from convinced that we would be any greater if we remained in the EU.
How do you even define "greatness" in this context?
All I did was turn this vague question on its head because I think it is hypocritical, subjective and ultimately meaningless.
Good, Europe can FACK OFF
comment by ScouseRam (U9675)
posted 16 minutes ago
Brexit was about posh boys with private educations and big egos getting a hard-on about being on telly alot.
________________
Wow.
Then how do you explain the facts that poorer regions of the UK were more likely to vote to leave?
How do you explain the fact that many remain enthusiasts accused the leavers of being poorly educated?
You are basically talking utter crap because you clearly have a chip on your shoulder that is affecting your objectivity.
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 13 minutes ago
LQ,
Let's hear your "decent answer" for how remaining in the EU would make Britain great again.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you think leaving would make us great again "if you voted out I don't know"
_______________
I didn't vote to leave but in my comment above I have at least partially addressed this question.
I never said we would be "great again" if we left the EU but I am far from convinced that we would be any greater if we remained in the EU.
How do you even define "greatness" in this context?
All I did was turn this vague question on its head because I think it is hypocritical, subjective and ultimately meaningless.
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There have been leave voters saying make Britain better again and I haven't heard a good answer I think it's a valid question considering how much crap came out of the leave camp just lies basically.
There have been leave voters saying make Britain better again and I haven't heard a good answer I think it's a valid question considering how much crap came out of the leave camp just lies basically.
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You conveniently forgot to point out that just as many lies came out of the Remain camp - you should be in politics mate
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 3 minutes ago
Wow.
Then how do you explain the facts that poorer regions of the UK were more likely to vote to leave?
How do you explain the fact that many remain enthusiasts accused the leavers of being poorly educated?
You are basically talking utter crap because you clearly have a chip on your shoulder that is affecting your objectivity.
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The poorer regions of the UK were told what they wanted to hear by the Brexit camp, (and the Daily Mail). Farage may be a total t\/\/at, but he's not daft, just like Trump in the US. They know how to play on peoples fears.
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posted on 17/1/17
The world will go on much as before, money makes it tick, Trump / brexit do not = armageddon. Just liek no teveryone who voted for either is a etc.
posted on 17/1/17
The "elephant in the room" would seem to be uncontrolled immigration?
But at least 50% of our immigrants during the last recorded period (about 200,000 persons), came from NON-EU countries.
If controlling immigration is so important, everyone needs to ask themselves why were these 200,000 persons allowed to come here?
posted on 17/1/17
The other rhetoric that makes me laugh, is how we are going to massively increase our exports now that the Pound Sterling has devalued. The only problem is that we have to IMPORT most of the stuff to manufacture anything, so that means it costs us more to make it now!!!
I build electrical systems (control panels), the only part that is made in the UK is the cable, which represents less than 1% of my costs, all the other components have increased in cost by at least 5% since the vote!
posted on 17/1/17
Uncontrolled immigration really bugs me, seeing as how it doesn't exist. EU citizens don't have to apply for a working visa, that much is true. But it's not as if we're not checking passports in Dover.
The poster had Syrian Refugees on it ffs, nothing to do with the EU.
I can fully understand that people want stricter laws on immigration, but the idea our borders are open is laughable
posted on 17/1/17
"America indicating it wants to do a quick trade deal."
_______________
Surely not...what happened to all that "Britain has to join the back of the queue" bollox?
"But at least 50% of our immigrants during the last recorded period (about 200,000 persons), came from NON-EU countries.
If controlling immigration is so important, everyone needs to ask themselves why were these 200,000 persons allowed to come here?"
_________________
Because immigration from non EU countries is already more controlled.
You need passports and VISA's and stuff that you don't currently need to cross European borders.
In terms of immigration, all Brexit is about is introducing proper controls. What's wrong with that? What is the benefit of having no control over your own borders?
If people are happy about there being controls for Non-EU immigrants then why get so moody about introducing similar controls for EU immigrants?
What's the problem?
posted on 17/1/17
it's not as if we're not checking passports in Dover.
_________________
I have personally been through Dover and not had my passport checked. How do I know this? My passport was invalid as it was 2 years out of date...nobody cared or even facking noticed!
And how come that terrorist in Germany was able to cross multiple Euro borders without being stopped even when there was a Euopean-wide man-hunt in operation. Who exactly checked his passport?
posted on 17/1/17
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 1 minute ago
it's not as if we're not checking passports in Dover.
_________________
I have personally been through Dover and not had my passport checked. How do I know this? My passport was invalid as it was 2 years out of date...nobody cared or even facking noticed!
And how come that terrorist in Germany was able to cross multiple Euro borders without being stopped even when there was a Euopean-wide man-hunt in operation. Who exactly checked his passport?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Valid points, the question raised though is for the sake of security do we slow down the lives of everyone by checking every passport at every border in Europe?
posted on 17/1/17
american customs and passport checks are the worst.
posted on 17/1/17
Valid points, the question raised though is for the sake of security do we slow down the lives of everyone by checking every passport at every border in Europe?
______________
I agree that is an inconvenience. I'd rather have to get to an airport earlier than increase the risk of being blown up though!
Or increase the risk of the wrong people getting into the UK en masse...
It isn't ideal but unfortunately there is nothing ideal about a war on terror.
Also, we all accept that rising and ageing population is an issue. We all hear about the strain on public services, health, policing, education, housing etc. but not many people want to admit that the population issue is partly related to uncontrolled immigration.
posted on 17/1/17
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 22 minutes ago
Because immigration from non EU countries is already more controlled.
You need passports and VISA's and stuff that you don't currently need to cross European borders.
In terms of immigration, all Brexit is about is introducing proper controls. What's wrong with that? What is the benefit of having no control over your own borders?
If people are happy about there being controls for Non-EU immigrants then why get so moody about introducing similar controls for EU immigrants?
What's the problem?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the UK is pi55ed-off with 200,000 EU "immigrants", but absolutely fine with the other 200,000 non-EU immigrants?
I don't think that was the BREXITERS voted for, (just saying)?
posted on 17/1/17
So the UK is pi55ed-off with 200,000 EU "immigrants", but absolutely fine with the other 200,000 non-EU immigrants?
I don't think that was the BREXITERS voted for, (just saying)?
_________________
Where did you get the idea that the UK was pi55ed off with anyone or anything?
Brexit is not even remotely about stopping imigration, it is only about improving controls so that we know who we are letting in and why.
This is already the case with non-EU immigration so what is the problem?
Why should someone from Eastern Europe find it far easier to get into the UK than someone from America, for example?
posted on 17/1/17
Not really sure leavers know what they voted for.
Ask a leave voter how this was going to make Britain great again and watch the total lack of a decent answer.
posted on 17/1/17
LQ,
Let's hear your "decent answer" for how remaining in the EU would make Britain great again.
posted on 17/1/17
comment by ScouseRam (U9675)
posted 40 minutes ago
The "elephant in the room" would seem to be uncontrolled immigration?
But at least 50% of our immigrants during the last recorded period (about 200,000 persons), came from NON-EU countries.
If controlling immigration is so important, everyone needs to ask themselves why were these 200,000 persons allowed to come here?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd assume that a big majority of those 200K are students (Chinese, Indian, African, etc..) who by the way, contribute a lot to the economie and education system. For example, I'm not sure how Oxford colleages would survive without them.
posted on 17/1/17
Brexit was about posh boys with private educations and big egos getting a hard-on about being on telly alot.
They also tend to have a big bank balance, so any downturn in the economy has little affect on their lifestyle.
Farage wanted Britain to be "Great Again", got his wish by winning the vote and then pi55ed-off to the USA!
I wonder how many of the "out" vote leaders privately and under their breath said "oh fluck" when the votes were counted?
posted on 17/1/17
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 23 minutes ago
it's not as if we're not checking passports in Dover.
_________________
I have personally been through Dover and not had my passport checked. How do I know this? My passport was invalid as it was 2 years out of date...nobody cared or even facking noticed!
And how come that terrorist in Germany was able to cross multiple Euro borders without being stopped even when there was a Euopean-wide man-hunt in operation. Who exactly checked his passport?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bit different for us as we are an island, therefore it's easier to have something in place. On mainland Europe, travelling by train makes it much harder to introduce some of those checks at borders. The only free border we have is between RoI and NI.
I also think from memory this was something we opted out of from the original treaty that created it, it's another one of those EU rules that don't apply to the UK.
posted on 17/1/17
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 8 minutes ago
LQ,
Let's hear your "decent answer" for how remaining in the EU would make Britain great again.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well being part of the single market brings less volatility in the markets, the pound was stronger.
In terms of security and sharing intelligence it's is better off, and the eu money helped major building projects money I fear wouldn't be available were it just down to a British government.
posted on 17/1/17
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 13 minutes ago
LQ,
Let's hear your "decent answer" for how remaining in the EU would make Britain great again.
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How do you think leaving would make us great again "if you voted out I don't know"
posted on 17/1/17
Well being part of the single market brings less volatility in the markets, the pound was stronger.
_______________
It is widely accepted that this volatility is due to the uncertainty of what is to come - not down to leaving the EU per se.
"In terms of security and sharing intelligence it's is better off"
_________________
There is no evidence for this whatsoever and there are different schools of thought on this. Basically, this is your opinion, far from established fact. Many experts believe we will be far safer when we have control of our own borders. And why would leaving the EU prevent intelligence agencies from sharing information? We share information with America, Canada, Australia etc. Are they members of the EU?
", and the eu money helped major building projects money I fear wouldn't be available were it just down to a British government."
_________________
The UK has always been a net contributor to the EU so I am unconvinced by any argument that claims the UK is reliant on subsidies from Europe! We have the second largest economy in Europe so whose cash do you think we are reliant on exactly?
Also, what about the UK industries (e.g. Steel) that many believe we could have saved if we were not bound by EU regulations?
posted on 17/1/17
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 13 minutes ago
LQ,
Let's hear your "decent answer" for how remaining in the EU would make Britain great again.
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How do you think leaving would make us great again "if you voted out I don't know"
_______________
I didn't vote to leave but in my comment above I have at least partially addressed this question.
I never said we would be "great again" if we left the EU but I am far from convinced that we would be any greater if we remained in the EU.
How do you even define "greatness" in this context?
All I did was turn this vague question on its head because I think it is hypocritical, subjective and ultimately meaningless.
posted on 17/1/17
Good, Europe can FACK OFF
posted on 17/1/17
comment by ScouseRam (U9675)
posted 16 minutes ago
Brexit was about posh boys with private educations and big egos getting a hard-on about being on telly alot.
________________
Wow.
Then how do you explain the facts that poorer regions of the UK were more likely to vote to leave?
How do you explain the fact that many remain enthusiasts accused the leavers of being poorly educated?
You are basically talking utter crap because you clearly have a chip on your shoulder that is affecting your objectivity.
posted on 17/1/17
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 13 minutes ago
LQ,
Let's hear your "decent answer" for how remaining in the EU would make Britain great again.
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How do you think leaving would make us great again "if you voted out I don't know"
_______________
I didn't vote to leave but in my comment above I have at least partially addressed this question.
I never said we would be "great again" if we left the EU but I am far from convinced that we would be any greater if we remained in the EU.
How do you even define "greatness" in this context?
All I did was turn this vague question on its head because I think it is hypocritical, subjective and ultimately meaningless.
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There have been leave voters saying make Britain better again and I haven't heard a good answer I think it's a valid question considering how much crap came out of the leave camp just lies basically.
posted on 17/1/17
There have been leave voters saying make Britain better again and I haven't heard a good answer I think it's a valid question considering how much crap came out of the leave camp just lies basically.
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You conveniently forgot to point out that just as many lies came out of the Remain camp - you should be in politics mate
posted on 17/1/17
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 3 minutes ago
Wow.
Then how do you explain the facts that poorer regions of the UK were more likely to vote to leave?
How do you explain the fact that many remain enthusiasts accused the leavers of being poorly educated?
You are basically talking utter crap because you clearly have a chip on your shoulder that is affecting your objectivity.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The poorer regions of the UK were told what they wanted to hear by the Brexit camp, (and the Daily Mail). Farage may be a total t\/\/at, but he's not daft, just like Trump in the US. They know how to play on peoples fears.
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