comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 14 minutes ago
Look it up.
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Do it your self, it seems you haven't done it yet.
So the state department have never commented on links between Iran and al qaeda?
Maybe we are all overreacting on Trump.
He promised to sign into law ten significant pieces of legislation in his first 100 days in office. He's now nearly 300 days in, and he hasn't signed one, despite the Republicans controlling each and every legislative arm in the US government: the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court.
If even in those extraordinary circumstances he can't get a single one of his key bills over the line, maybe he's not actually going to be able to do that much damage...
Trump is Trump, but let us not lose sight of the reality in Iran or N Korea, as if this scenario is created by the guy with strange hair.
Personally, and as many Americans hoped, I hope US foreign policy reigns itself in, rather than policing the globe.Bannon style American isolation and his influence are now being eroded back to the Bush, Clinton and Obama interference abroad,,and for what.....other than oil and arms deals?
Why get into it with N Korea or Iran, other than ego?
How is sticking your orange nose in across the world Putting America First, you clown?
Trumpet of a man.
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 4 hours, 31 minutes ago
So the state department have never commented on links between Iran and al qaeda?
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I didn't say that, I said you hadn't looked it up either.
You must have just glanced at a headline or something because if you'ed actually researched it you would have included that some of this links were produced from accusations from a Saudi prince.
didn't the government of which the state department is a part of also find links between Al Qaeda and Iraq? Iraq and weapons of mass destruction?
It seems strange that you'ed mention word of a government renowned for attacking countries with a lot of oil.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
Trump is Trump, but let us not lose sight of the reality in Iran or N Korea, as if this scenario is created by the guy with strange hair.
Personally, and as many Americans hoped, I hope US foreign policy reigns itself in, rather than policing the globe.Bannon style American isolation and his influence are now being eroded back to the Bush, Clinton and Obama interference abroad,,and for what.....other than oil and arms deals?
Why get into it with N Korea or Iran, other than ego?
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I've been to Iran, I drove through it and spent a week there with a convey of 10 ambulances trying to reach a flooded area in Pakistan.
I saw people going about there daily lives, children going to school, families in parks, orthodox Jews walking to synagog, ordinary people like you and me.
Trump wants to exterminate them and is desperate to find an excuse to do it. Not only that but he wants to reimpose sanctions which deny millions of civilians in that country the healthcare they need to survive. A bit like the sanctions they put on Iraq during the Saddam era which killed half a million Iraqi children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE
What have you got to say about that clip?
Any time the US pokes its nose into the affairs of a middle eastern country you can be sure there is some kind of oil- (and by extension, power) -based motive behind it. In the case of Iran I suspect it's because the lifting of sanctions has made it easier for them to export more oil to countries such as China and Russia, bypassing the OPEC countries that the US has an agreement with to sell oil in only US dollars (and in turn invest their profits back into US debt securities, thus ensuring that the US can print free money with no inflationary costs). This is against a backdrop of other countries rebelling and selling their oil in other foreign currencies such as the Chinese yuan. The US is losing their monopoly on the oil market and this is just them hoping to stem the tide of rebellion.
Naturally though, since the US is a young country still fresh from revolt and civil war, many of its citizens embrace this dog-eat-dog attitude and will happily support a foreign policy that involves looking out for America's best interests no matter if that involves suffocating other countries' economies or starting wars that lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians. This kind of selfish thinking is what really separates the US from western Europe and why despite them being a developed country, they still find it so hard to fathom concepts such as universal healthcare or gun control, that we take for granted here in Europe. This is also supported quite bizarrely by a very militaristic, capitalist Christian demographic which which seems to be at odds with the relatively peaceful and socialist teachings of the Vatican, CoE, and other global Churches.
Good post renoog. Hard to disagree with any of that. It's that sort of thinking that got that fat idiot elected.
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He's just given a speech to a hate group consisting of white Supremicists and anti abortion anti gay rights far right religious nut jobs who try and hide behind the "family values" banner.
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Also known as anericans.
I kid.
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21430)
posted 16 hours, 8 minutes ago
He's just given a speech to a hate group consisting of white Supremicists and anti abortion anti gay rights far right religious nut jobs who try and hide behind the "family values" banner.
Are people supposed to stand for this $hit????
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They are considered a hate group by the SPLC who also have Maajid Nawaz down as being an extremist so their opinion isn't worth taking seriously. I'm not sure where you got the "white supremicists" info from.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 days, 20 hours ago
Televised media is often hostile to brexit, USA republicans, conservatism, nationalism and populism, hence the shock and aggghhh when brexit won and Hilary lost....only Fox could be labelled conservative right among All news and political outlets.
Just saying, if we are referring to bias and partizan po!itical coverage.
Printed press in the UK is much more balanced, obviously.
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Fox News is a clever concept from a business perspective. The majority of news networks in the US are left leaning Democrats despite around half the population of the US being Republicans. Therefore, it quickly became the go-to channel for many Americans.
By also having the hottest newscasters, the most entertaining guests and the most sensationalistic shows/headlines, it comfortably pulls in far more viewers then the others news networks.
Breitbart is another clever right-wing concept. It's founder, Andrew Breitbart, also helped create the left-wing Huffington Post. It's a smart move. Create two news websites which are politically the polar opposites, and make them unashamedly brash and daring so it feels relevant to a younger audience.
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comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 16 hours, 53 minutes ago
Any time the US pokes its nose into the affairs of a middle eastern country you can be sure there is some kind of oil- (and by extension, power) -based motive behind it. In the case of Iran I suspect it's because the lifting of sanctions has made it easier for them to export more oil to countries such as China and Russia, bypassing the OPEC countries that the US has an agreement with to sell oil in only US dollars (and in turn invest their profits back into US debt securities, thus ensuring that the US can print free money with no inflationary costs). This is against a backdrop of other countries rebelling and selling their oil in other foreign currencies such as the Chinese yuan. The US is losing their monopoly on the oil market and this is just them hoping to stem the tide of rebellion.
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I've tended to think that the America's hostile attitude towards Iran is mostly down to Iran being seen as a threat to Israel. The policy of the US in the Middle East seems to always have some link with maintaining Israel's position of power within the region.
You are probably right too though.
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 6 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 days, 20 hours ago
Televised media is often hostile to brexit, USA republicans, conservatism, nationalism and populism, hence the shock and aggghhh when brexit won and Hilary lost....only Fox could be labelled conservative right among All news and political outlets.
Just saying, if we are referring to bias and partizan po!itical coverage.
Printed press in the UK is much more balanced, obviously.
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Fox News is a clever concept from a business perspective. The majority of news networks in the US are left leaning Democrats despite around half the population of the US being Republicans. Therefore, it quickly became the go-to channel for many Americans.
By also having the hottest newscasters, the most entertaining guests and the most sensationalistic shows/headlines, it comfortably pulls in far more viewers then the others news networks.
Breitbart is another clever right-wing concept. It's founder, Andrew Breitbart, also helped create the left-wing Huffington Post. It's a smart move. Create two news websites which are politically the polar opposites, and make them unashamedly brash and daring so it feels relevant to a younger audience.
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Sniper
I miss Fox newsin the UK and the Five especially....entertaining and some saxy ladies😉
Flicking between Fox and CNN etc is like meeting Corbyn for lunch and Farage for dinner.
The late Andrew Breitbart called one thing right.....islamist extremism as a threat to peace and civilized liberal democracy.
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 6 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 16 hours, 53 minutes ago
Any time the US pokes its nose into the affairs of a middle eastern country you can be sure there is some kind of oil- (and by extension, power) -based motive behind it. In the case of Iran I suspect it's because the lifting of sanctions has made it easier for them to export more oil to countries such as China and Russia, bypassing the OPEC countries that the US has an agreement with to sell oil in only US dollars (and in turn invest their profits back into US debt securities, thus ensuring that the US can print free money with no inflationary costs). This is against a backdrop of other countries rebelling and selling their oil in other foreign currencies such as the Chinese yuan. The US is losing their monopoly on the oil market and this is just them hoping to stem the tide of rebellion.
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I've tended to think that the America's hostile attitude towards Iran is mostly down to Iran being seen as a threat to Israel. The policy of the US in the Middle East seems to always have some link with maintaining Israel's position of power within the region.
You are probably right too though.
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True.
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 6 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 days, 20 hours ago
Televised media is often hostile to brexit, USA republicans, conservatism, nationalism and populism, hence the shock and aggghhh when brexit won and Hilary lost....only Fox could be labelled conservative right among All news and political outlets.
Just saying, if we are referring to bias and partizan po!itical coverage.
Printed press in the UK is much more balanced, obviously.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fox News is a clever concept from a business perspective. The majority of news networks in the US are left leaning Democrats despite around half the population of the US being Republicans. Therefore, it quickly became the go-to channel for many Americans.
By also having the hottest newscasters, the most entertaining guests and the most sensationalistic shows/headlines, it comfortably pulls in far more viewers then the others news networks.
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So basically The Sun TV, minus the nipples.
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted about 6 hours ago
I've tended to think that the America's hostile attitude towards Iran is mostly down to Iran being seen as a threat to Israel. The policy of the US in the Middle East seems to always have some link with maintaining Israel's position of power within the region.
You are probably right too though.
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Agreed. What needs considering though is the reasons behind the US's suppport for Israel.
Lobbies aside, Israel serves as a humungous U.S. army, navy and air force base, with nukes thrown in, through which they can exert absolute control over all those oil fields.
I wonder if an Israeli state would have received such huge support if Judaism had its roots in some remote Polynesian archipelago...
I've tended to think that the America's hostile attitude towards Iran is mostly down to Iran being seen as a threat to Israel. The policy of the US in the Middle East seems to always have some link with maintaining Israel's position of power within the region.
You are probably right too though.
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True.
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That's what I used to think too but the more I looked into the history of US military aid in the region, the more IMO it looks like they simply play a balancing game between the various powers to ensure that things never tip over into war. Egypt for instance receives a lot of military aid too and this has been key in ensuring no further Arab-Israeli wars since 73. As well as all the ongoing military relationships with the Gulf Arab states. All of which have historically directly attacked Israel unlike Iran (by proxy might be another matter...).
IMO the threat of Iran to the US has always been that they're the most technologically advanced in the Middle East (after Israel) and the one state that the US can't exercise leverage over, which threatens the delicate balance of the region that has fueled their economy for so long. Which will only get worse if Iran develops nuclear weapons. You can't invade countries that possess nukes...
That's how I see it anyway. Israel is just another pawn in the grand scheme of the middle East, rather than a 51st state.
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posted on 15/10/17
Look it up.
posted on 15/10/17
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 14 minutes ago
Look it up.
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Do it your self, it seems you haven't done it yet.
posted on 15/10/17
So the state department have never commented on links between Iran and al qaeda?
posted on 15/10/17
Maybe we are all overreacting on Trump.
He promised to sign into law ten significant pieces of legislation in his first 100 days in office. He's now nearly 300 days in, and he hasn't signed one, despite the Republicans controlling each and every legislative arm in the US government: the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court.
If even in those extraordinary circumstances he can't get a single one of his key bills over the line, maybe he's not actually going to be able to do that much damage...
posted on 15/10/17
Trump is Trump, but let us not lose sight of the reality in Iran or N Korea, as if this scenario is created by the guy with strange hair.
Personally, and as many Americans hoped, I hope US foreign policy reigns itself in, rather than policing the globe.Bannon style American isolation and his influence are now being eroded back to the Bush, Clinton and Obama interference abroad,,and for what.....other than oil and arms deals?
Why get into it with N Korea or Iran, other than ego?
posted on 15/10/17
How is sticking your orange nose in across the world Putting America First, you clown?
Trumpet of a man.
posted on 15/10/17
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 4 hours, 31 minutes ago
So the state department have never commented on links between Iran and al qaeda?
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I didn't say that, I said you hadn't looked it up either.
You must have just glanced at a headline or something because if you'ed actually researched it you would have included that some of this links were produced from accusations from a Saudi prince.
didn't the government of which the state department is a part of also find links between Al Qaeda and Iraq? Iraq and weapons of mass destruction?
It seems strange that you'ed mention word of a government renowned for attacking countries with a lot of oil.
posted on 15/10/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
Trump is Trump, but let us not lose sight of the reality in Iran or N Korea, as if this scenario is created by the guy with strange hair.
Personally, and as many Americans hoped, I hope US foreign policy reigns itself in, rather than policing the globe.Bannon style American isolation and his influence are now being eroded back to the Bush, Clinton and Obama interference abroad,,and for what.....other than oil and arms deals?
Why get into it with N Korea or Iran, other than ego?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've been to Iran, I drove through it and spent a week there with a convey of 10 ambulances trying to reach a flooded area in Pakistan.
I saw people going about there daily lives, children going to school, families in parks, orthodox Jews walking to synagog, ordinary people like you and me.
Trump wants to exterminate them and is desperate to find an excuse to do it. Not only that but he wants to reimpose sanctions which deny millions of civilians in that country the healthcare they need to survive. A bit like the sanctions they put on Iraq during the Saddam era which killed half a million Iraqi children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE
What have you got to say about that clip?
posted on 15/10/17
Any time the US pokes its nose into the affairs of a middle eastern country you can be sure there is some kind of oil- (and by extension, power) -based motive behind it. In the case of Iran I suspect it's because the lifting of sanctions has made it easier for them to export more oil to countries such as China and Russia, bypassing the OPEC countries that the US has an agreement with to sell oil in only US dollars (and in turn invest their profits back into US debt securities, thus ensuring that the US can print free money with no inflationary costs). This is against a backdrop of other countries rebelling and selling their oil in other foreign currencies such as the Chinese yuan. The US is losing their monopoly on the oil market and this is just them hoping to stem the tide of rebellion.
Naturally though, since the US is a young country still fresh from revolt and civil war, many of its citizens embrace this dog-eat-dog attitude and will happily support a foreign policy that involves looking out for America's best interests no matter if that involves suffocating other countries' economies or starting wars that lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians. This kind of selfish thinking is what really separates the US from western Europe and why despite them being a developed country, they still find it so hard to fathom concepts such as universal healthcare or gun control, that we take for granted here in Europe. This is also supported quite bizarrely by a very militaristic, capitalist Christian demographic which which seems to be at odds with the relatively peaceful and socialist teachings of the Vatican, CoE, and other global Churches.
posted on 15/10/17
Good post renoog. Hard to disagree with any of that. It's that sort of thinking that got that fat idiot elected.
posted on 15/10/17
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posted on 15/10/17
He's just given a speech to a hate group consisting of white Supremicists and anti abortion anti gay rights far right religious nut jobs who try and hide behind the "family values" banner.
--
Also known as anericans.
I kid.
posted on 15/10/17
posted on 15/10/17
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posted on 15/10/17
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posted on 16/10/17
comment by Automatic For The People (U21430)
posted 16 hours, 8 minutes ago
He's just given a speech to a hate group consisting of white Supremicists and anti abortion anti gay rights far right religious nut jobs who try and hide behind the "family values" banner.
Are people supposed to stand for this $hit????
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They are considered a hate group by the SPLC who also have Maajid Nawaz down as being an extremist so their opinion isn't worth taking seriously. I'm not sure where you got the "white supremicists" info from.
posted on 16/10/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 days, 20 hours ago
Televised media is often hostile to brexit, USA republicans, conservatism, nationalism and populism, hence the shock and aggghhh when brexit won and Hilary lost....only Fox could be labelled conservative right among All news and political outlets.
Just saying, if we are referring to bias and partizan po!itical coverage.
Printed press in the UK is much more balanced, obviously.
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Fox News is a clever concept from a business perspective. The majority of news networks in the US are left leaning Democrats despite around half the population of the US being Republicans. Therefore, it quickly became the go-to channel for many Americans.
By also having the hottest newscasters, the most entertaining guests and the most sensationalistic shows/headlines, it comfortably pulls in far more viewers then the others news networks.
Breitbart is another clever right-wing concept. It's founder, Andrew Breitbart, also helped create the left-wing Huffington Post. It's a smart move. Create two news websites which are politically the polar opposites, and make them unashamedly brash and daring so it feels relevant to a younger audience.
posted on 16/10/17
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posted on 16/10/17
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 16 hours, 53 minutes ago
Any time the US pokes its nose into the affairs of a middle eastern country you can be sure there is some kind of oil- (and by extension, power) -based motive behind it. In the case of Iran I suspect it's because the lifting of sanctions has made it easier for them to export more oil to countries such as China and Russia, bypassing the OPEC countries that the US has an agreement with to sell oil in only US dollars (and in turn invest their profits back into US debt securities, thus ensuring that the US can print free money with no inflationary costs). This is against a backdrop of other countries rebelling and selling their oil in other foreign currencies such as the Chinese yuan. The US is losing their monopoly on the oil market and this is just them hoping to stem the tide of rebellion.
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I've tended to think that the America's hostile attitude towards Iran is mostly down to Iran being seen as a threat to Israel. The policy of the US in the Middle East seems to always have some link with maintaining Israel's position of power within the region.
You are probably right too though.
posted on 16/10/17
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 6 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 days, 20 hours ago
Televised media is often hostile to brexit, USA republicans, conservatism, nationalism and populism, hence the shock and aggghhh when brexit won and Hilary lost....only Fox could be labelled conservative right among All news and political outlets.
Just saying, if we are referring to bias and partizan po!itical coverage.
Printed press in the UK is much more balanced, obviously.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fox News is a clever concept from a business perspective. The majority of news networks in the US are left leaning Democrats despite around half the population of the US being Republicans. Therefore, it quickly became the go-to channel for many Americans.
By also having the hottest newscasters, the most entertaining guests and the most sensationalistic shows/headlines, it comfortably pulls in far more viewers then the others news networks.
Breitbart is another clever right-wing concept. It's founder, Andrew Breitbart, also helped create the left-wing Huffington Post. It's a smart move. Create two news websites which are politically the polar opposites, and make them unashamedly brash and daring so it feels relevant to a younger audience.
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Sniper
I miss Fox newsin the UK and the Five especially....entertaining and some saxy ladies😉
Flicking between Fox and CNN etc is like meeting Corbyn for lunch and Farage for dinner.
posted on 16/10/17
The late Andrew Breitbart called one thing right.....islamist extremism as a threat to peace and civilized liberal democracy.
posted on 16/10/17
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 6 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 16 hours, 53 minutes ago
Any time the US pokes its nose into the affairs of a middle eastern country you can be sure there is some kind of oil- (and by extension, power) -based motive behind it. In the case of Iran I suspect it's because the lifting of sanctions has made it easier for them to export more oil to countries such as China and Russia, bypassing the OPEC countries that the US has an agreement with to sell oil in only US dollars (and in turn invest their profits back into US debt securities, thus ensuring that the US can print free money with no inflationary costs). This is against a backdrop of other countries rebelling and selling their oil in other foreign currencies such as the Chinese yuan. The US is losing their monopoly on the oil market and this is just them hoping to stem the tide of rebellion.
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I've tended to think that the America's hostile attitude towards Iran is mostly down to Iran being seen as a threat to Israel. The policy of the US in the Middle East seems to always have some link with maintaining Israel's position of power within the region.
You are probably right too though.
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True.
posted on 16/10/17
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 6 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 days, 20 hours ago
Televised media is often hostile to brexit, USA republicans, conservatism, nationalism and populism, hence the shock and aggghhh when brexit won and Hilary lost....only Fox could be labelled conservative right among All news and political outlets.
Just saying, if we are referring to bias and partizan po!itical coverage.
Printed press in the UK is much more balanced, obviously.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fox News is a clever concept from a business perspective. The majority of news networks in the US are left leaning Democrats despite around half the population of the US being Republicans. Therefore, it quickly became the go-to channel for many Americans.
By also having the hottest newscasters, the most entertaining guests and the most sensationalistic shows/headlines, it comfortably pulls in far more viewers then the others news networks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So basically The Sun TV, minus the nipples.
posted on 16/10/17
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted about 6 hours ago
I've tended to think that the America's hostile attitude towards Iran is mostly down to Iran being seen as a threat to Israel. The policy of the US in the Middle East seems to always have some link with maintaining Israel's position of power within the region.
You are probably right too though.
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Agreed. What needs considering though is the reasons behind the US's suppport for Israel.
Lobbies aside, Israel serves as a humungous U.S. army, navy and air force base, with nukes thrown in, through which they can exert absolute control over all those oil fields.
I wonder if an Israeli state would have received such huge support if Judaism had its roots in some remote Polynesian archipelago...
posted on 16/10/17
I've tended to think that the America's hostile attitude towards Iran is mostly down to Iran being seen as a threat to Israel. The policy of the US in the Middle East seems to always have some link with maintaining Israel's position of power within the region.
You are probably right too though.
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True.
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That's what I used to think too but the more I looked into the history of US military aid in the region, the more IMO it looks like they simply play a balancing game between the various powers to ensure that things never tip over into war. Egypt for instance receives a lot of military aid too and this has been key in ensuring no further Arab-Israeli wars since 73. As well as all the ongoing military relationships with the Gulf Arab states. All of which have historically directly attacked Israel unlike Iran (by proxy might be another matter...).
IMO the threat of Iran to the US has always been that they're the most technologically advanced in the Middle East (after Israel) and the one state that the US can't exercise leverage over, which threatens the delicate balance of the region that has fueled their economy for so long. Which will only get worse if Iran develops nuclear weapons. You can't invade countries that possess nukes...
That's how I see it anyway. Israel is just another pawn in the grand scheme of the middle East, rather than a 51st state.
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