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posted on 29/4/19

Please grow up

posted on 29/4/19

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona πŸ™πŸΌ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ (U18082)
posted 18 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 13 seconds ago
Kfc-you can’t post shiiit like that without proof. As you will well know having arguably been through similar yourself in the past against the likes of rdd.... So is there proof of that?
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He literally talks up racists all the time.

Ask him about Sam Harris, he loooves him! This fine gentleman supports a book called the bell curve, which claims black people aren't as intelligent as whites on a genetic level.

The same guy also said Jews were to blame for the holocaust.

Robb him self has called Arabs savages.

He also follows Lauren Southern and talks fondly about her as well... she worked for Rebel Media, a production house who's star is Tommy Robinson. She has videos of her self on youtube where she literally walks around Paris complaining that there isn't enough white people in the streets.

It's this lovely lady...

https://i2.wp.com/alt-right.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Lauren-Southern.png?ssl=1

She's called black lives matter a terrorist organisation and she also shares platforms with people who endorse the bell curve book. She was on stage with Stephan Molyneux when he said:

"The aborigines had Australia for 40,000 years. You have had it for a tiny fraction of that time (white people). And look at what You have done. And you are supposed to feel guilty about this?"

These are the people he champions! I know what a racist looks like and I know what they sound like.
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Agreeing with one thing someone says or sharing a platform with them doesn't mean they agree with everything that person says. You're making a lot of assumptions here KFC. Corbyn's shared platforms with terrorists, terrorist sympathisers, antisemites but I'm pretty sure you've defended him when that's used against him.
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Well said 8bit.

Obama said has attacks were a red line against the Assad regime, then bottled it.

So is he all bad?

Trump acted when As sad used hard again, so is Trump all good.???

And here again, we are falling for some weird world where the so called right can be ridiculed, but do not question the actions of democrats because they are not Trump???

When I point out that Obama deported two million South Americans or Hilary messed it up in Libya, I get called a Trump fan, and so the futility of modern political debate is exposed.

Labelling the failings of others is dismissed as Whatabouttery today, even when it reveals double standards and rank hypocrisy.

And as we know, the so called left are meant to be better than that.

Peace Dave and ignore my last line.😊

posted on 29/4/19

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona πŸ™πŸΌ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ (U18082)
posted 18 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 13 seconds ago
Kfc-you can’t post shiiit like that without proof. As you will well know having arguably been through similar yourself in the past against the likes of rdd.... So is there proof of that?
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He literally talks up racists all the time.

Ask him about Sam Harris, he loooves him! This fine gentleman supports a book called the bell curve, which claims black people aren't as intelligent as whites on a genetic level.

The same guy also said Jews were to blame for the holocaust.

Robb him self has called Arabs savages.

He also follows Lauren Southern and talks fondly about her as well... she worked for Rebel Media, a production house who's star is Tommy Robinson. She has videos of her self on youtube where she literally walks around Paris complaining that there isn't enough white people in the streets.

It's this lovely lady...

https://i2.wp.com/alt-right.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Lauren-Southern.png?ssl=1

She's called black lives matter a terrorist organisation and she also shares platforms with people who endorse the bell curve book. She was on stage with Stephan Molyneux when he said:

"The aborigines had Australia for 40,000 years. You have had it for a tiny fraction of that time (white people). And look at what You have done. And you are supposed to feel guilty about this?"

These are the people he champions! I know what a racist looks like and I know what they sound like.
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Agreeing with one thing someone says or sharing a platform with them doesn't mean they agree with everything that person says. You're making a lot of assumptions here KFC. Corbyn's shared platforms with terrorists, terrorist sympathisers, antisemites but I'm pretty sure you've defended him when that's used against him.
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Well said 8bit.

Obama said has attacks were a red line against the Assad regime, then bottled it.

So is he all bad?

Trump acted when As sad used hard again, so is Trump all good.???

And here again, we are falling for some weird world where the so called right can be ridiculed, but do not question the actions of democrats because they are not Trump???

When I point out that Obama deported two million South Americans or Hilary messed it up in Libya, I get called a Trump fan, and so the futility of modern political debate is exposed.

Labelling the failings of others is dismissed as Whatabouttery today, even when it reveals double standards and rank hypocrisy.

And as we know, the so called left are meant to be better than that.

Peace Dave and ignore my last line.😊

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Gas attacks ffs

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 29/4/19

People of the Left are just generally nicer.

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Kung Fu Cantona πŸ™πŸΌ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ (U18082)
posted 18 hours, 44 minutes ago
Dave i respect your intentions but I don’t need anybody to tell me I’ve crossed a line when it comes to somebody like Robb.

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Yes, you clearly do need somebody to tell you you've crossed a line with your unsupported comment. Multiple people from all persuasions on this and the other thread have said you went too far. Sadly you cannot accept it regardless of who and how many say you're in the wrong.

C'est la vie.



comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 9 hours, 49 minutes ago
genetics or something must have something to do with intelligence(not race based though) as surely a class room of people all taught the same stuff should be as smart as eachother, yet they often aren't
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Of course genetics is a powerful factor in intelligence.

Speaking in classical Mendelian genetics language, our phenotypes (observable/quantifiable traits) are a sum of our genotypes (inheritance of genes) + environment [P=G+E] - check out some basic genetics website if anyone doesn't believe me. In more layman's terms phenotypes eg. Hair, skin, eye colour, etc. are a combination of nature (genes) AND nurture (our environment - how and where we are raised) to varying degrees and ratios.

QTL (quantitative trait locus) analysis has been extensively researched to ascertain heritability of "intelligence".

There's some research that DOES suggest race is a factor in determining intelligence heritability, so whomever Sam Harris is interviewing that spruiks this is arguing something that is not ubiquitously determined as false (as far as I know). I think the E (how we are raised, wealth, country, education, etc) is a more important factor in determining intelligence than what some perceive, so not primarily a question of genetics.

As far as I recall from the literature, "intelligence" is a multi-locus trait, in that there are many genes involved in forming how intelligent a person is. These have not all been quantified nor qualified so I am yet to see a compelling scientific argument to sway me that race is a big component in determining intelligence.

There are ample instances of how environment/nurture is an essential component in determining one's intelligence phenotype.

Adam rightly points out that a classroom will have folk of a range of intelligence within. I am certain that BOTH genetics and environment contribute to such variance.

As such, I don't think anyone can accurately say race is or isn't a heritable factor in predicting one's intelligence, just that if it is a factor, it won't likely be a significant one.

Just as "race" isn't simply a black and white issue, inferring intelligence based on race is not a black and white debate. It may be a factor, but it's likely there's a greater variance within than between races, rendering any argument for or against is predicated on insignificant factors.

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 hours, 14 minutes ago
People of the Left are just generally nicer.
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You are!

TBAB, you're welcome to join in but you gotta buy the next round!

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 9 hours, 49 minutes ago
genetics or something must have something to do with intelligence(not race based though) as surely a class room of people all taught the same stuff should be as smart as eachother, yet they often aren't
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Of course genetics is a powerful factor in intelligence.

Speaking in classical Mendelian genetics language, our phenotypes (observable/quantifiable traits) are a sum of our genotypes (inheritance of genes) + environment [P=G+E] - check out some basic genetics website if anyone doesn't believe me. In more layman's terms phenotypes eg. Hair, skin, eye colour, etc. are a combination of nature (genes) AND nurture (our environment - how and where we are raised) to varying degrees and ratios.

QTL (quantitative trait locus) analysis has been extensively researched to ascertain heritability of "intelligence".

There's some research that DOES suggest race is a factor in determining intelligence heritability, so whomever Sam Harris is interviewing that spruiks this is arguing something that is not ubiquitously determined as false (as far as I know). I think the E (how we are raised, wealth, country, education, etc) is a more important factor in determining intelligence than what some perceive, so not primarily a question of genetics.

As far as I recall from the literature, "intelligence" is a multi-locus trait, in that there are many genes involved in forming how intelligent a person is. These have not all been quantified nor qualified so I am yet to see a compelling scientific argument to sway me that race is a big component in determining intelligence.

There are ample instances of how environment/nurture is an essential component in determining one's intelligence phenotype.

Adam rightly points out that a classroom will have folk of a range of intelligence within. I am certain that BOTH genetics and environment contribute to such variance.

As such, I don't think anyone can accurately say race is or isn't a heritable factor in predicting one's intelligence, just that if it is a factor, it won't likely be a significant one.

Just as "race" isn't simply a black and white issue, inferring intelligence based on race is not a black and white debate. It may be a factor, but it's likely there's a greater variance within than between races, rendering any argument for or against is predicated on insignificant factors.

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And that’s exactly why I didn’t want to fall into KFCs basic childish trap of ‘if you agree with this statement you are 100% racist’ question

It’s far too wide open a question and topic to be judged on a football forum by someone like KFC who is desperate to find a boogeyman under his pillow or every other nook and cranny.

Sadly his obsession does injustice to the real hunt against racists because it shuts down debate and demonises people who like to go out and listen to all points of view to make up their own decisions about the real truths in the world.

I 100% know I’m not a racist person and I don’t need to prove that to someone like KFC who really has shown himself to be the worst of us over the past couple of days.

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Kung Fu Cantona πŸ™πŸΌ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ (U18082)
posted about 10 hours ago

Do you support the quote?
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Some aspects of the quote are correct.

I am literally living the personification of this topic.

My missus is the poster child (one child policy hehe) of the grossly unfair stereotype that Asians are good at maths. She's fecking amazing at mathematics. She's far better at maths than almost every white person, but in saying that she's also much much better than most Asians.

She's a perfect example of how genetics (both her parents are very smart) and environment (her parents moved to SG when she was 8-9 years old where the education and lifestyle was SO much better than back in China at that time).

Her intelligence is unquestionably a sum of her genetics AND environment. At her graduation ceremony, 95% of her cohort were all Chinese Asians with only a few token Malays and Indians. With "equal opportunity" in a meritocracy, Far East Asians were overwhelmingly greater achievers in a high intellect double degree such as her's. Anecdotally, superficially, race genetics played a MASSIVE role in intellectual outcomes; yet the environment in which the lesser achieving races in SG almost always come from poor immigrant/low socioeconomic backgrounds, completely masking the disparity in intellectual achievement predicated on racial lines.

Conversely, me. Both my parents are very smart. However, due to a series of life events, some of which I've discussed on this very thread, I spent most of my schooling years in very poor schools, I'd worked multiple part time jobs since I was 11, doing paper rounds and stacking supermarket shelves all the way through to finishing highschool. I failed multiple years of maths and English at highschool and was asked to repeat senior years when my family moved again. I have repeatedly had run-ins with the law, I had to go to court multiple times before my 18th birthday. I was the ultimate "Black sheep". We were fecking poor growing up. It was desperate at times in my mid teens. Seriously fecking sheite, I cannot emphasise strongly enough how bad it was.

Following a series of pretty disastrous attempts at life, I ended up going back to Uni in my late 20s and ten years later I am the very first person in my family tree that has a doctorate (in genetics and reproductive endocrinology), I'm an internationally peer reviewed published author of novel scientific research, and teach a range of sciences at University level at multiple locations around the world. This was almost entirely a result of my inherited intellect and living in a more truly meritocratic country than most others. My four sisters who also grew up in a miserably poor environment have all gone on to be really successful in their fields - one of my sisters has a master's degree in Experimental particle physics and worked at CERN on the early stages of the discovery of the Higgs-Boson.

Overwhelmingly, genetics played a FAR bigger factor than environment in determining intelligence for me, and many others.

* I've just seen Robb's comment in reply to my previous one. He's probably right that this topic is way too complex/nuanced for rational debate on this site. Also, KFC is right to question any premise that race is a negative determinant in IQ.

Sorry to those who've been bored by my tl;dr comments.

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 hours, 14 minutes ago
People of the Left are just generally nicer.
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You are!

TBAB, you're welcome to join in but you gotta buy the next round!
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No problem.....stout or red wine.

In the past I would agree the so called left were nicer, but today they are becoming as shouty and nasty as the do called right.

Not you Dave, but some of the Momentum nutters and antifa are as bad as those they oppose.

Two cheeks of the same ass

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona πŸ™πŸΌ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ (U18082)
posted about 10 hours ago

Do you support the quote?
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Some aspects of the quote are correct.

I am literally living the personification of this topic.

My missus is the poster child (one child policy hehe) of the grossly unfair stereotype that Asians are good at maths. She's fecking amazing at mathematics. She's far better at maths than almost every white person, but in saying that she's also much much better than most Asians.

She's a perfect example of how genetics (both her parents are very smart) and environment (her parents moved to SG when she was 8-9 years old where the education and lifestyle was SO much better than back in China at that time).

Her intelligence is unquestionably a sum of her genetics AND environment. At her graduation ceremony, 95% of her cohort were all Chinese Asians with only a few token Malays and Indians. With "equal opportunity" in a meritocracy, Far East Asians were overwhelmingly greater achievers in a high intellect double degree such as her's. Anecdotally, superficially, race genetics played a MASSIVE role in intellectual outcomes; yet the environment in which the lesser achieving races in SG almost always come from poor immigrant/low socioeconomic backgrounds, completely masking the disparity in intellectual achievement predicated on racial lines.

Conversely, me. Both my parents are very smart. However, due to a series of life events, some of which I've discussed on this very thread, I spent most of my schooling years in very poor schools, I'd worked multiple part time jobs since I was 11, doing paper rounds and stacking supermarket shelves all the way through to finishing highschool. I failed multiple years of maths and English at highschool and was asked to repeat senior years when my family moved again. I have repeatedly had run-ins with the law, I had to go to court multiple times before my 18th birthday. I was the ultimate "Black sheep". We were fecking poor growing up. It was desperate at times in my mid teens. Seriously fecking sheite, I cannot emphasise strongly enough how bad it was.

Following a series of pretty disastrous attempts at life, I ended up going back to Uni in my late 20s and ten years later I am the very first person in my family tree that has a doctorate (in genetics and reproductive endocrinology), I'm an internationally peer reviewed published author of novel scientific research, and teach a range of sciences at University level at multiple locations around the world. This was almost entirely a result of my inherited intellect and living in a more truly meritocratic country than most others. My four sisters who also grew up in a miserably poor environment have all gone on to be really successful in their fields - one of my sisters has a master's degree in Experimental particle physics and worked at CERN on the early stages of the discovery of the Higgs-Boson.

Overwhelmingly, genetics played a FAR bigger factor than environment in determining intelligence for me, and many others.

* I've just seen Robb's comment in reply to my previous one. He's probably right that this topic is way too complex/nuanced for rational debate on this site. Also, KFC is right to question any premise that race is a negative determinant in IQ.

Sorry to those who've been bored by my tl;dr comments.
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I amaze those espousing eugenics by proving white men are often daft ...no ability to do maths or science and often can't find where I left my mug of tea.

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 30/4/19

Mate, I can be shouty too. I usually try to back it up and wish I didn't get to that state in the first place, but I do.

We're all fallible, right? Just some to greater degrees than others

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 30/4/19

Eugenics!

Ha! Feck, there's a really naughty Jim Jefferies 5 min bit on eugenics...

I'll see if I can dig it up. Tbab, you'll laugh at the punchline, I'm sure.

posted on 30/4/19

I seriously don’t know why anyone can think I’m some kind of white supremacist. All I ever need to do is see the beered up white people coming over here to Spain to see just how horribly flawed the white race is.

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 30/4/19

Robb,

You're not.

I don't know you personally, I'm not your sock account, you're not one of my sock accounts ...

You have repeatedly discussed your anti-racist points of view. I think saying you've racist issues with black people as was said is so bizarre.

Just think, Manc Python (who hates just about everyone), Hulk (who has a mix of very far left AND right opinions), Baz (a supremely amicable lefty), and others including myself do not think you're racist.

To have so many folks who have disparate beliefs all ending up agreeing that you're not someone holding some racist hate for black people is as close to absolving you of such slurs as one can achieve (for an anonymous forum).

Shake it off and try to recall that KFC is not the bad guy these last couple of days suggest. He really ain't so bad in my opinion, irrespective of these last few days.

You're both decent guys, it's certainly not your obligation to reach out, given the latest slander, but I know you want to just get along with us all. Throw him an olive branch and let's hope.

posted on 30/4/19

I’ve given him many chances to apologise and i’d genuinely go grab a coffee with him next time I’m in London (where I’m sure he said he lives).

I just don’t think he’s mature enough to apologise and let bygones be bygones. I’m open to him surprising me though.

Ball’s in your court Kung Fu πŸ‘¬

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 30/4/19

I know you have, hence why I said it's not your obligation.

posted on 30/4/19

Why can’t we all just be friends 😭😭😭

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 30/4/19

I don't know!

Actually, in my case it's usually because I get intolerant of intolerance, to the point I cast aspersions.

Also, I take too much joy from mocking Scholay's perpetual lunacy. He doesn't like that hehehehehehe


posted on 30/4/19

I’ll say it again Dave I don’t need anybody to to tell me I’ve crossed a line when it comes to this type of thing. A few people seem to find more offence in calling somebody out as racist than the racism it self. A lot of those people are right leaning and no not everybody said I crossed a line. Baz did then retracted what he said and a few others said Robb isn’t racist and just an idiot. Well I know he holds racist views, it’s a fact and I’ll call it out.

It’s quite clear that individual genetics and environment play a part, genetics based on race does not! This is exactly what Robbs intellectual priests allude to! This is the part of the quote Robb won’t condemn and he’ll dodge it at every opportunity. He won’t answer the question, he’ll just wait until somebody comes along to answer the question for him, so he can hit the reply button and type ‘this’ underneath it. His responses are as lazy as his generalisations about Muslims. He pretends that this matter is too complicated to talk about on here but the quote is about a book and author who have been disowned by the scientific community, it wasn’t even peer reviewed before publication.

Furthermore he knows he’s called complete strangers on here terrorist sympathisers on multiple occasions including me. He can’t even admit to his own hypocrisy, the man is a coward and a terrible person who dabbles in racist tropes. I’ll cross 1000 lines before I’m done saying it.

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 21 minutes ago
I’ve given him many chances to apologise and i’d genuinely go grab a coffee with him next time I’m in London (where I’m sure he said he lives).

I just don’t think he’s mature enough to apologise and let bygones be bygones. I’m open to him surprising me though.

Ball’s in your court Kung Fu πŸ‘¬
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No you wouldn’t, you always say things like this but the fact of the matter is you’re the first to attack me when I’m on a thread after a terrorist attack.

posted on 30/4/19

Sigh, keep on digging.

posted on 15/5/19

Looks like Trumpy is shaping up for a war.

posted on 15/5/19

comment by Kung Fu Cantona πŸ™πŸΌ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ (U18082)
posted 25 minutes ago
Looks like Trumpy is shaping up for a war.
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"US special representative for Iran: 'We are not looking to get into a war'"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48279203

I'm fairly sure a US special representative wouldn't lie. They're special.

posted on 15/5/19

Special is the correct word 🀣

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