I agree with Rosso.
Also, people may think they are happy with their way of life simply because it is all they know.
2km square children's play right outside!!
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Sounds like too many children to me. You lose!
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I'll raise your roof leaks to an alcohol ban, no pubs, bars or cinemas!
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You lied! That's not a nice beach...
I live in a skip in Oldham......luxury😁
Pope Francis: better to be an atheist than a hypocritical Catholic
“There are those who say, ‘I am very Catholic, I always go to mass, I belong to this and that association’,” the head of the 1.2 billion-member Roman Catholic church said, according to a Vatican Radio transcript.
He said some of these people should also say “‘my life is not Christian, I don’t pay my employees proper salaries, I exploit people, I do dirty business, I launder money, [I lead] a double life’.”
“There are many Catholics who are like this and they cause scandal,” he said. “How many times have we all heard people say ‘if that person is a Catholic, it is better to be an atheist’.”
In his often impromptu sermons, he has condemned secsual abuse of children by priests as being tantamount to a “satanic mass”, said Catholics in the mafia excommunicate themselves, and told his own cardinals to not act “as if they were princes”.
Less than two months after his election, he said Christians should see atheists as good people if they do good.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/23/pope-francis-better-to-be-atheist-than-hypocritical-catholic
God damn, this Mexican English translator sounds like she's trying to seduce everyone.
And Steve Bannon comes out of hiding. Wow. What a day
'The relationship between President Donald Trump and the media is “not only not going to get better, it’s gone to get worse. Every day,” White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon forecast today.
“[The press] are corporatist globalist media that are adamantly opposed to a economic nationalist agenda like Donald Trump has,” the former Breitbart chief said, making a rare public speaking appearance, at CPAC.'
That, Steve, is what is called a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
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posted 47 seconds ago
Worked for japan, they went full westernization, took on hundreds of advisors etc, was reading abit about it yesterday actually, though not every culture is the same so wont work everywhere.
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In your opinion do you think that's a good thing?
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Surely it's more relevant to ask Japan that question.
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It is but what I wanted to ask is if anybody would be willing to exchange British culture for another culture if it was better? What ever better is...
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That's called emigration, isn't it?
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Not always, sometimes a nation just swaps a culture.
Turkey and as mentioned Japan... you can probably chuck Dubai into the mix as well.
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
All I'm saying is to clear up the mess we have created recently in the middle and fack off after and let people live how they want to live.
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I agree with this in principle but what if the people of a country don't want to live how their dictator forces them to live? Should the rest of the world still leave well alone?
I think it is too late and unrealistic for countries like Britain (and others, by the way) to clear up all the mess made in the past and give back what was taken...The best you could hope for is an acknowledgement of what was done wrong in the past.
To me this is essential for building bridges with any nation that has been wronged. The actions of the past do not, under any circumstances, justify more bloodshed or terrorism as a form of "revenge" though.
Killing more innocent people is never a solution.
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Britain and America should leave well alone for sure, our leaders have proven time and time again that they can't be trusted.
I would have hoped that the Arab nations would have formed a coalition to clean up things like Daesh. We'll never know if they can if we don't stop wading in and selling weapons in the region.
The Middle-East needs to evolve on it's own for a while, the sad thing is it we won't leave them alone.
Another super power comprising of all the predominately Muslim nations between Morocco and Pakistan will never be allowed to happen.
The idea of a Caliphate has been demonised and Daesh (not a Caliphate) has been used as an example as to why people in the west should fear it as evil.
The Arabs and other minorities in the region don't have self determination, that is the first thing we need to correct.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
All I'm saying is to clear up the mess we have created recently in the middle and fack off after and let people live how they want to live.
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I agree with this in principle but what if the people of a country don't want to live how their dictator forces them to live? Should the rest of the world still leave well alone?
I think it is too late and unrealistic for countries like Britain (and others, by the way) to clear up all the mess made in the past and give back what was taken...The best you could hope for is an acknowledgement of what was done wrong in the past.
To me this is essential for building bridges with any nation that has been wronged. The actions of the past do not, under any circumstances, justify more bloodshed or terrorism as a form of "revenge" though.
Killing more innocent people is never a solution.
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Britain and America should leave well alone for sure, our leaders have proven time and time again that they can't be trusted.
I would have hoped that the Arab nations would have formed a coalition to clean up things like Daesh. We'll never know if they can if we don't stop wading in and selling weapons in the region.
The Middle-East needs to evolve on it's own for a while, the sad thing is it we won't leave them alone.
Another super power comprising of all the predominately Muslim nations between Morocco and Pakistan will never be allowed to happen.
The idea of a Caliphate has been demonised and Daesh (not a Caliphate) has been used as an example as to why people in the west should fear it as evil.
The Arabs and other minorities in the region don't have self determination, that is the first thing we need to correct.
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Do you think there's the remotest chance that can happen though?
Most of the states in the region are governed by well-established autocracies that rule with an iron fist, crushing any sign of dissidence.
How many of the Arab states have freedom to protest?
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posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 12 minutes ago
JustShoot
Further my to my other answer.... take a look at India.
Britain totally robbed it BUT they have left well alone and they are in charge of their own destiny now and prospering.
Imagine if every decade Britain bombed it or installed a new leader, would that country have progressed?
All I'm saying is to clear up the mess we have created recently in the middle and fack off after and let people live how they want to live.
Western democracy isn't for everyone, it isn't a one size fits all ideology so we should stop trying to push it on nations with different ideas.
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I don't think we are still trying to push western ideology anymore.
If you look at the countries you have chosen; India, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. The cause, conflicts and repercussion are far wider than just Britain wading in and creating destruction. Again, why are these points in history important and not others? It's a constant circle. Can we point to the Durrani Empire or the Ottoman Empire? What about Genghis Khan or is it the Romans that started it all?
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Sorry mate but our leaders talk constantly about spreading democracy and freedom around the world and they have shown the world how they want to do it as well. with total destruction.
Now lets pretend the leader of Pakistan says he wants to spread Islam and freedom around the world and then starts bombing the schit out of weaker nations.
It's just not right and it hasn't stopped, this thought that our style of democracy is the bestest ever and everybody needs to have it runs deep within British culture and politics. The same goes with the Americans!
It's important to pin point Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya because those wars aren't over and people are still suffering the consequences of those wars in a significant way.
The American Indians are still being exploited.
These aren't things that happened a long time ago and finished a long time ago, it's still happening.
The consequences of Englands involvement in the Crusades or whatever isn't significant any longer.
Children aren't born deformed in Iraq today because of the Crusades and King Richard didn't totally destroy Iraq infrastructure 10 years ago which has still left people without hospitals or water treatment plants.
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
All I'm saying is to clear up the mess we have created recently in the middle and fack off after and let people live how they want to live.
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I agree with this in principle but what if the people of a country don't want to live how their dictator forces them to live? Should the rest of the world still leave well alone?
I think it is too late and unrealistic for countries like Britain (and others, by the way) to clear up all the mess made in the past and give back what was taken...The best you could hope for is an acknowledgement of what was done wrong in the past.
To me this is essential for building bridges with any nation that has been wronged. The actions of the past do not, under any circumstances, justify more bloodshed or terrorism as a form of "revenge" though.
Killing more innocent people is never a solution.
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Britain and America should leave well alone for sure, our leaders have proven time and time again that they can't be trusted.
I would have hoped that the Arab nations would have formed a coalition to clean up things like Daesh. We'll never know if they can if we don't stop wading in and selling weapons in the region.
The Middle-East needs to evolve on it's own for a while, the sad thing is it we won't leave them alone.
Another super power comprising of all the predominately Muslim nations between Morocco and Pakistan will never be allowed to happen.
The idea of a Caliphate has been demonised and Daesh (not a Caliphate) has been used as an example as to why people in the west should fear it as evil.
The Arabs and other minorities in the region don't have self determination, that is the first thing we need to correct.
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Do you think there's the remotest chance that can happen though?
Most of the states in the region are governed by well-established autocracies that rule with an iron fist, crushing any sign of dissidence.
How many of the Arab states have freedom to protest?
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I don't expect it to happen within my life time and I'm 32.
It's not a secret that I despise pretty much every so called Muslim leader. It's why I always say in these debates that people should learn to distinguish between Islam and Muslims.
These leaders are not practising Sharia, but it's labeled Sharia which is why that word is now a dirty one. This isn't an opinion or a different interpretation I have. It's a fact!
'Donald Trump is a friend to everybody', says Saudi foreign minister...
'I believe that he wants to do what is best for America and this is what every leader should do for his country'
Corruption transcends religions and politics, as long as these people remain heads of state then it won't happen.
Nationalism isn't part of Islamic culture, yet nationalism has seeped into North Africa and the Middle-East.
For example Moroccans and Algerians are the same people, we both have Berber and Arab blood running through our veins yet the two nations hate each other.
I don't expect anything to drastically change, I'm just sick and tired of watching people like me being murdered and then being told I'm not vocal enough in condemning terrorism.
The Ottoman Empire had terrible aspects to it but at least if Baghdad was attacked, people from Istanbul would rally and defend Baghdad. No such unity exists anymore, if it did, Daesh would have been killed off a long time ago.
On the brighter side, it's looking like United will have an easier run in the Ropey league.
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posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
All I'm saying is to clear up the mess we have created recently in the middle and fack off after and let people live how they want to live.
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I agree with this in principle but what if the people of a country don't want to live how their dictator forces them to live? Should the rest of the world still leave well alone?
I think it is too late and unrealistic for countries like Britain (and others, by the way) to clear up all the mess made in the past and give back what was taken...The best you could hope for is an acknowledgement of what was done wrong in the past.
To me this is essential for building bridges with any nation that has been wronged. The actions of the past do not, under any circumstances, justify more bloodshed or terrorism as a form of "revenge" though.
Killing more innocent people is never a solution.
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Britain and America should leave well alone for sure, our leaders have proven time and time again that they can't be trusted.
I would have hoped that the Arab nations would have formed a coalition to clean up things like Daesh. We'll never know if they can if we don't stop wading in and selling weapons in the region.
The Middle-East needs to evolve on it's own for a while, the sad thing is it we won't leave them alone.
Another super power comprising of all the predominately Muslim nations between Morocco and Pakistan will never be allowed to happen.
The idea of a Caliphate has been demonised and Daesh (not a Caliphate) has been used as an example as to why people in the west should fear it as evil.
The Arabs and other minorities in the region don't have self determination, that is the first thing we need to correct.
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Do you think there's the remotest chance that can happen though?
Most of the states in the region are governed by well-established autocracies that rule with an iron fist, crushing any sign of dissidence.
How many of the Arab states have freedom to protest?
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I don't expect it to happen within my life time and I'm 32.
It's not a secret that I despise pretty much every so called Muslim leader. It's why I always say in these debates that people should learn to distinguish between Islam and Muslims.
These leaders are not practising Sharia, but it's labeled Sharia which is why that word is now a dirty one. This isn't an opinion or a different interpretation I have. It's a fact!
'Donald Trump is a friend to everybody', says Saudi foreign minister...
'I believe that he wants to do what is best for America and this is what every leader should do for his country'
Corruption transcends religions and politics, as long as these people remain heads of state then it won't happen.
Nationalism isn't part of Islamic culture, yet nationalism has seeped into North Africa and the Middle-East.
For example Moroccans and Algerians are the same people, we both have Berber and Arab blood running through our veins yet the two nations hate each other.
I don't expect anything to drastically change, I'm just sick and tired of watching people like me being murdered and then being told I'm not vocal enough in condemning terrorism.
The Ottoman Empire had terrible aspects to it but at least if Baghdad was attacked, people from Istanbul would rally and defend Baghdad. No such unity exists anymore, if it did, Daesh would have been killed off a long time ago.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
I'm just sick and tired of watching people like me being murdered and then being told I'm not vocal enough in condemning terrorism.
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What do you mean 'people like me'?
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Muslims/Arabs
I'm not saying I know what they are going through, I only have to worry about my mum getting abused for wearing a hijab.
It doesn't mean that I don't feel uneasy that people with the same ethnicity and and religion as me are getting slaughtered.
At the moment Muslim blood is cheap, have you seen whats happening to the Rohingya? No military intervention from the UK or America of course, they could trample the Myanmar regime in 2 seconds BUT there is nothing to gain from that.
This speaks volumes about our intentions.
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 21 minutes ago
KFC, why do Moroccans and Algerians hate each other?
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A few reasons but one of them is that the The Polisario Front want their own independent nation in the Western Sahara (claimed by Morocco) and Algeria are selling them weapons to fight Morocco.
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 25 minutes ago
The Soviets were committing genocide of 2,000,000 people in Afghanistan, prior to the 'Wests' intervention, so to lay blame on the US and UK is a bit harsh. The US started selling them arms, but what would you rather? Let the Soviets displace another 6,000,000 people? Even after the mess that was left, you would have to be a looney to suggest Afghanistan was a stable country with civil war after civil war. The turmoil from the UK's influence was minor in comparison.
The American Indians that are so proud of their culture are welcoming all the niceties from the 'white man' like medicine, technology, Casinos, etc. Yet still like to lay blame of everything that is bad on the pilgrims. Honestly, why do the American Indians want? To go back to what they were? No, of course not.
Iraq was a major f**k up and was a Blair issue. Many in the UK weren't supportive of what happened.
And regarding pushing democracy on other countries, I really don't see it anymore.
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The soviets were cu*ts but they have taken a step back and didn't bomb the Middle-East until recently in Syria to protect their own interest which is just as disgusting is Western intervention.
I was talking about the coalition war after 9/11, the destruction of that war is still being felt and it was a waste of time as well because the Taliban are now in control again.
"The American Indians that are so proud of their culture are welcoming all the niceties from the 'white man' like medicine, technology, Casinos, etc. Yet still like to lay blame of everything that is bad on the pilgrims."
There is so much wrong with that paragraph...
Casinos weren't part of their culture, it's destructive, why would anybody want it. They didn't have any concept of money I believe...
They had their own medicine and they could have bargained for different medicine without the need of being exterminated.
Trade with the other side of the pond would have happened eventually and they would have developed.
As for technology, I believe humans lived a purer life style when we didn't rely on it so much. Now we are slaves to it.
I'd put good money on the indians trading all of that schit in to have a say in what happens to them.
Like I said it's still happening now, all they want is clean water and they are being forced to accept that hideous pipeline.
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posted 6 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 44 minutes ago
I have papers saying my caveman relative owned most of North America, i expect my payback soon for damages, get off my land
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This is complete bollox though isn't it.
The American Indians are still alive, the extermination of their race stopped only a little over 100 years ago and they are still be subjected to bullschit. Trump won't even respect their right to have clean water.
Are they repsresented in Government? They way the remaining natives are treated is disgusting.
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posted on 23/2/17
I agree with Rosso.
Also, people may think they are happy with their way of life simply because it is all they know.
posted on 23/2/17
2km square children's play right outside!!
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Sounds like too many children to me. You lose!
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I'll raise your roof leaks to an alcohol ban, no pubs, bars or cinemas!
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You lied! That's not a nice beach...
posted on 23/2/17
Alcohol ban
posted on 23/2/17
I live in a skip in Oldham......luxury😁
posted on 23/2/17
Pope Francis: better to be an atheist than a hypocritical Catholic
“There are those who say, ‘I am very Catholic, I always go to mass, I belong to this and that association’,” the head of the 1.2 billion-member Roman Catholic church said, according to a Vatican Radio transcript.
He said some of these people should also say “‘my life is not Christian, I don’t pay my employees proper salaries, I exploit people, I do dirty business, I launder money, [I lead] a double life’.”
“There are many Catholics who are like this and they cause scandal,” he said. “How many times have we all heard people say ‘if that person is a Catholic, it is better to be an atheist’.”
In his often impromptu sermons, he has condemned secsual abuse of children by priests as being tantamount to a “satanic mass”, said Catholics in the mafia excommunicate themselves, and told his own cardinals to not act “as if they were princes”.
Less than two months after his election, he said Christians should see atheists as good people if they do good.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/23/pope-francis-better-to-be-atheist-than-hypocritical-catholic
posted on 23/2/17
God damn, this Mexican English translator sounds like she's trying to seduce everyone.
posted on 23/2/17
And Steve Bannon comes out of hiding. Wow. What a day
posted on 23/2/17
'The relationship between President Donald Trump and the media is “not only not going to get better, it’s gone to get worse. Every day,” White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon forecast today.
“[The press] are corporatist globalist media that are adamantly opposed to a economic nationalist agenda like Donald Trump has,” the former Breitbart chief said, making a rare public speaking appearance, at CPAC.'
That, Steve, is what is called a self-fulfilling prophecy.
posted on 23/2/17
comment by rossobianchi - Got_Nameback (U17054)
posted 4 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 47 seconds ago
Worked for japan, they went full westernization, took on hundreds of advisors etc, was reading abit about it yesterday actually, though not every culture is the same so wont work everywhere.
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In your opinion do you think that's a good thing?
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Surely it's more relevant to ask Japan that question.
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It is but what I wanted to ask is if anybody would be willing to exchange British culture for another culture if it was better? What ever better is...
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That's called emigration, isn't it?
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Not always, sometimes a nation just swaps a culture.
Turkey and as mentioned Japan... you can probably chuck Dubai into the mix as well.
posted on 23/2/17
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
All I'm saying is to clear up the mess we have created recently in the middle and fack off after and let people live how they want to live.
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I agree with this in principle but what if the people of a country don't want to live how their dictator forces them to live? Should the rest of the world still leave well alone?
I think it is too late and unrealistic for countries like Britain (and others, by the way) to clear up all the mess made in the past and give back what was taken...The best you could hope for is an acknowledgement of what was done wrong in the past.
To me this is essential for building bridges with any nation that has been wronged. The actions of the past do not, under any circumstances, justify more bloodshed or terrorism as a form of "revenge" though.
Killing more innocent people is never a solution.
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Britain and America should leave well alone for sure, our leaders have proven time and time again that they can't be trusted.
I would have hoped that the Arab nations would have formed a coalition to clean up things like Daesh. We'll never know if they can if we don't stop wading in and selling weapons in the region.
The Middle-East needs to evolve on it's own for a while, the sad thing is it we won't leave them alone.
Another super power comprising of all the predominately Muslim nations between Morocco and Pakistan will never be allowed to happen.
The idea of a Caliphate has been demonised and Daesh (not a Caliphate) has been used as an example as to why people in the west should fear it as evil.
The Arabs and other minorities in the region don't have self determination, that is the first thing we need to correct.
posted on 23/2/17
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
All I'm saying is to clear up the mess we have created recently in the middle and fack off after and let people live how they want to live.
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I agree with this in principle but what if the people of a country don't want to live how their dictator forces them to live? Should the rest of the world still leave well alone?
I think it is too late and unrealistic for countries like Britain (and others, by the way) to clear up all the mess made in the past and give back what was taken...The best you could hope for is an acknowledgement of what was done wrong in the past.
To me this is essential for building bridges with any nation that has been wronged. The actions of the past do not, under any circumstances, justify more bloodshed or terrorism as a form of "revenge" though.
Killing more innocent people is never a solution.
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Britain and America should leave well alone for sure, our leaders have proven time and time again that they can't be trusted.
I would have hoped that the Arab nations would have formed a coalition to clean up things like Daesh. We'll never know if they can if we don't stop wading in and selling weapons in the region.
The Middle-East needs to evolve on it's own for a while, the sad thing is it we won't leave them alone.
Another super power comprising of all the predominately Muslim nations between Morocco and Pakistan will never be allowed to happen.
The idea of a Caliphate has been demonised and Daesh (not a Caliphate) has been used as an example as to why people in the west should fear it as evil.
The Arabs and other minorities in the region don't have self determination, that is the first thing we need to correct.
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Do you think there's the remotest chance that can happen though?
Most of the states in the region are governed by well-established autocracies that rule with an iron fist, crushing any sign of dissidence.
How many of the Arab states have freedom to protest?
posted on 23/2/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 12 minutes ago
JustShoot
Further my to my other answer.... take a look at India.
Britain totally robbed it BUT they have left well alone and they are in charge of their own destiny now and prospering.
Imagine if every decade Britain bombed it or installed a new leader, would that country have progressed?
All I'm saying is to clear up the mess we have created recently in the middle and fack off after and let people live how they want to live.
Western democracy isn't for everyone, it isn't a one size fits all ideology so we should stop trying to push it on nations with different ideas.
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I don't think we are still trying to push western ideology anymore.
If you look at the countries you have chosen; India, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. The cause, conflicts and repercussion are far wider than just Britain wading in and creating destruction. Again, why are these points in history important and not others? It's a constant circle. Can we point to the Durrani Empire or the Ottoman Empire? What about Genghis Khan or is it the Romans that started it all?
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Sorry mate but our leaders talk constantly about spreading democracy and freedom around the world and they have shown the world how they want to do it as well. with total destruction.
Now lets pretend the leader of Pakistan says he wants to spread Islam and freedom around the world and then starts bombing the schit out of weaker nations.
It's just not right and it hasn't stopped, this thought that our style of democracy is the bestest ever and everybody needs to have it runs deep within British culture and politics. The same goes with the Americans!
It's important to pin point Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya because those wars aren't over and people are still suffering the consequences of those wars in a significant way.
The American Indians are still being exploited.
These aren't things that happened a long time ago and finished a long time ago, it's still happening.
The consequences of Englands involvement in the Crusades or whatever isn't significant any longer.
Children aren't born deformed in Iraq today because of the Crusades and King Richard didn't totally destroy Iraq infrastructure 10 years ago which has still left people without hospitals or water treatment plants.
posted on 23/2/17
comment by rossobianchi - Got_Nameback (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
All I'm saying is to clear up the mess we have created recently in the middle and fack off after and let people live how they want to live.
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I agree with this in principle but what if the people of a country don't want to live how their dictator forces them to live? Should the rest of the world still leave well alone?
I think it is too late and unrealistic for countries like Britain (and others, by the way) to clear up all the mess made in the past and give back what was taken...The best you could hope for is an acknowledgement of what was done wrong in the past.
To me this is essential for building bridges with any nation that has been wronged. The actions of the past do not, under any circumstances, justify more bloodshed or terrorism as a form of "revenge" though.
Killing more innocent people is never a solution.
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Britain and America should leave well alone for sure, our leaders have proven time and time again that they can't be trusted.
I would have hoped that the Arab nations would have formed a coalition to clean up things like Daesh. We'll never know if they can if we don't stop wading in and selling weapons in the region.
The Middle-East needs to evolve on it's own for a while, the sad thing is it we won't leave them alone.
Another super power comprising of all the predominately Muslim nations between Morocco and Pakistan will never be allowed to happen.
The idea of a Caliphate has been demonised and Daesh (not a Caliphate) has been used as an example as to why people in the west should fear it as evil.
The Arabs and other minorities in the region don't have self determination, that is the first thing we need to correct.
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Do you think there's the remotest chance that can happen though?
Most of the states in the region are governed by well-established autocracies that rule with an iron fist, crushing any sign of dissidence.
How many of the Arab states have freedom to protest?
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I don't expect it to happen within my life time and I'm 32.
It's not a secret that I despise pretty much every so called Muslim leader. It's why I always say in these debates that people should learn to distinguish between Islam and Muslims.
These leaders are not practising Sharia, but it's labeled Sharia which is why that word is now a dirty one. This isn't an opinion or a different interpretation I have. It's a fact!
'Donald Trump is a friend to everybody', says Saudi foreign minister...
'I believe that he wants to do what is best for America and this is what every leader should do for his country'
Corruption transcends religions and politics, as long as these people remain heads of state then it won't happen.
Nationalism isn't part of Islamic culture, yet nationalism has seeped into North Africa and the Middle-East.
For example Moroccans and Algerians are the same people, we both have Berber and Arab blood running through our veins yet the two nations hate each other.
I don't expect anything to drastically change, I'm just sick and tired of watching people like me being murdered and then being told I'm not vocal enough in condemning terrorism.
The Ottoman Empire had terrible aspects to it but at least if Baghdad was attacked, people from Istanbul would rally and defend Baghdad. No such unity exists anymore, if it did, Daesh would have been killed off a long time ago.
posted on 23/2/17
On the brighter side, it's looking like United will have an easier run in the Ropey league.
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
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comment by rossobianchi - Got_Nameback (U17054)
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
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comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
All I'm saying is to clear up the mess we have created recently in the middle and fack off after and let people live how they want to live.
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I agree with this in principle but what if the people of a country don't want to live how their dictator forces them to live? Should the rest of the world still leave well alone?
I think it is too late and unrealistic for countries like Britain (and others, by the way) to clear up all the mess made in the past and give back what was taken...The best you could hope for is an acknowledgement of what was done wrong in the past.
To me this is essential for building bridges with any nation that has been wronged. The actions of the past do not, under any circumstances, justify more bloodshed or terrorism as a form of "revenge" though.
Killing more innocent people is never a solution.
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Britain and America should leave well alone for sure, our leaders have proven time and time again that they can't be trusted.
I would have hoped that the Arab nations would have formed a coalition to clean up things like Daesh. We'll never know if they can if we don't stop wading in and selling weapons in the region.
The Middle-East needs to evolve on it's own for a while, the sad thing is it we won't leave them alone.
Another super power comprising of all the predominately Muslim nations between Morocco and Pakistan will never be allowed to happen.
The idea of a Caliphate has been demonised and Daesh (not a Caliphate) has been used as an example as to why people in the west should fear it as evil.
The Arabs and other minorities in the region don't have self determination, that is the first thing we need to correct.
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Do you think there's the remotest chance that can happen though?
Most of the states in the region are governed by well-established autocracies that rule with an iron fist, crushing any sign of dissidence.
How many of the Arab states have freedom to protest?
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I don't expect it to happen within my life time and I'm 32.
It's not a secret that I despise pretty much every so called Muslim leader. It's why I always say in these debates that people should learn to distinguish between Islam and Muslims.
These leaders are not practising Sharia, but it's labeled Sharia which is why that word is now a dirty one. This isn't an opinion or a different interpretation I have. It's a fact!
'Donald Trump is a friend to everybody', says Saudi foreign minister...
'I believe that he wants to do what is best for America and this is what every leader should do for his country'
Corruption transcends religions and politics, as long as these people remain heads of state then it won't happen.
Nationalism isn't part of Islamic culture, yet nationalism has seeped into North Africa and the Middle-East.
For example Moroccans and Algerians are the same people, we both have Berber and Arab blood running through our veins yet the two nations hate each other.
I don't expect anything to drastically change, I'm just sick and tired of watching people like me being murdered and then being told I'm not vocal enough in condemning terrorism.
The Ottoman Empire had terrible aspects to it but at least if Baghdad was attacked, people from Istanbul would rally and defend Baghdad. No such unity exists anymore, if it did, Daesh would have been killed off a long time ago.
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
I'm just sick and tired of watching people like me being murdered and then being told I'm not vocal enough in condemning terrorism.
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What do you mean 'people like me'?
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Muslims/Arabs
I'm not saying I know what they are going through, I only have to worry about my mum getting abused for wearing a hijab.
It doesn't mean that I don't feel uneasy that people with the same ethnicity and and religion as me are getting slaughtered.
At the moment Muslim blood is cheap, have you seen whats happening to the Rohingya? No military intervention from the UK or America of course, they could trample the Myanmar regime in 2 seconds BUT there is nothing to gain from that.
This speaks volumes about our intentions.
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 21 minutes ago
KFC, why do Moroccans and Algerians hate each other?
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A few reasons but one of them is that the The Polisario Front want their own independent nation in the Western Sahara (claimed by Morocco) and Algeria are selling them weapons to fight Morocco.
posted on 23/2/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 25 minutes ago
The Soviets were committing genocide of 2,000,000 people in Afghanistan, prior to the 'Wests' intervention, so to lay blame on the US and UK is a bit harsh. The US started selling them arms, but what would you rather? Let the Soviets displace another 6,000,000 people? Even after the mess that was left, you would have to be a looney to suggest Afghanistan was a stable country with civil war after civil war. The turmoil from the UK's influence was minor in comparison.
The American Indians that are so proud of their culture are welcoming all the niceties from the 'white man' like medicine, technology, Casinos, etc. Yet still like to lay blame of everything that is bad on the pilgrims. Honestly, why do the American Indians want? To go back to what they were? No, of course not.
Iraq was a major f**k up and was a Blair issue. Many in the UK weren't supportive of what happened.
And regarding pushing democracy on other countries, I really don't see it anymore.
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The soviets were cu*ts but they have taken a step back and didn't bomb the Middle-East until recently in Syria to protect their own interest which is just as disgusting is Western intervention.
I was talking about the coalition war after 9/11, the destruction of that war is still being felt and it was a waste of time as well because the Taliban are now in control again.
"The American Indians that are so proud of their culture are welcoming all the niceties from the 'white man' like medicine, technology, Casinos, etc. Yet still like to lay blame of everything that is bad on the pilgrims."
There is so much wrong with that paragraph...
Casinos weren't part of their culture, it's destructive, why would anybody want it. They didn't have any concept of money I believe...
They had their own medicine and they could have bargained for different medicine without the need of being exterminated.
Trade with the other side of the pond would have happened eventually and they would have developed.
As for technology, I believe humans lived a purer life style when we didn't rely on it so much. Now we are slaves to it.
I'd put good money on the indians trading all of that schit in to have a say in what happens to them.
Like I said it's still happening now, all they want is clean water and they are being forced to accept that hideous pipeline.
posted on 23/2/17
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 44 minutes ago
I have papers saying my caveman relative owned most of North America, i expect my payback soon for damages, get off my land
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This is complete bollox though isn't it.
The American Indians are still alive, the extermination of their race stopped only a little over 100 years ago and they are still be subjected to bullschit. Trump won't even respect their right to have clean water.
Are they repsresented in Government? They way the remaining natives are treated is disgusting.
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So none have taken pay offs?
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