Ball hits hand awayyyy from body and drops right at feet instead of going over shouldr to safety. The argument when GIVING pens is always "was the arm away from his body ? if yes it's a pen" same should apply at other end. -
Never a handball. He wasn't even looking. No one was expecting the howler from Lloris, least of all Sane.
You are just trying to deflect from the penalty and red Spurs avoided.
For me it's handball because it gave him an advantage...
No fault on the referees though. There is no way that they could have spotted it.
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You also have to take in account other stuff.
How close is he = very close
Is he expecting to get ball = no probably certain like me that Lloris would clear.
Not everything is black and white
It's debatable. Hengy, if the ball had smacked his arm on the line and gone in, would you be saying different?
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
Never a handball. He wasn't even looking. No one was expecting the howler from Lloris, least of all Sane.
You are just trying to deflect from the penalty and red Spurs avoided.
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I fail to see what your point "he wasn't looking" - the fact that his arm was out is enough to make it handball ...... as I stated originally.
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 4 minutes ago
It's debatable. Hengy, if the ball had smacked his arm on the line and gone in, would you be saying different?
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No because it's accidental and imo not debatable at all
Have you not watched any football lately mate - the "accidental" element disappeared some years ago. Now it's either arm away from body/unnatural position or hand moves to ball. Can't believe there are football fans who don't know this.
Are you still watching in black and white Hengy ?
That's not how it's interpreted though. It is a natural position if you are running, unless you are Sterling and you run like a constipated pidgeon.
Accidental element has left the rules at all and your total lack of footballing knowledge is astounding.
I'll leave you to it
comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
Never a handball. He wasn't even looking. No one was expecting the howler from Lloris, least of all Sane.
You are just trying to deflect from the penalty and red Spurs avoided.
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I fail to see what your point "he wasn't looking" - the fact that his arm was out is enough to make it handball ...... as I stated originally.
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No it isn't. There isn't anything in the rules along those lines
HANDLING THE BALL
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.
The following must be considered:
the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement
hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement
The goalkeeper has the same restrictions on handling the ball as any other player outside the penalty area. Inside their penalty area, the goalkeeper cannot be guilty of a handling offence incurring a direct free kick or any related sanction but can be guilty of handling offences that incur an indirect free kick.
Hengy - Tell me how many pens have you seen given for "accidental" handball in say the last 2 seasons and generally most agreed with refs as it follows current interpretations. Astounding indeed !
Source:
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
HANDLING THE BALL
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.
The following must be considered:
the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement
hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement
The goalkeeper has the same restrictions on handling the ball as any other player outside the penalty area. Inside their penalty area, the goalkeeper cannot be guilty of a handling offence incurring a direct free kick or any related sanction but can be guilty of handling offences that incur an indirect free kick.
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How much did these rules cost ? Think it may have been 3 and 6.
16/17 rules, source included.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Source:
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct
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Check mate to you then
Still seen countless pens given where hand is away from body and player not looking. Consensus of "experts" generally agreed my my prognosis (actually I m agreeing with theirs).
There is a lack of consistency, that is for sure
DJ - does the FA use those rules are refs instructed to interpret them differently.
A scissors or bicycle kick is permissible provided that it is not dangerous to an opponent.
IMPEDING THE PROGRESS OF AN OPPONENT WITHOUT CONTACT
Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance of either player.
Hardly ever see a bicycle kick in a crowded area given as a foul.
Obstruction - For how many years have we seen players obstructing the ball out of play - never see it given though. All down to FA's current interpretations of those rules.
comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Source:
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct
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Check mate to you then
Still seen countless pens given where hand is away from body and player not looking. Consensus of "experts" generally agreed my my prognosis (actually I m agreeing with theirs).
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And they will if the hand is considered to be in an unnatural position, such as going to block a ball and outstretching an arm. It isn't deliberate in that it's not a move of the hand to the ball but it's a conscious act to make the chance of the ball hitting the hand greater.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Source:
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct
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Check mate to you then
Still seen countless pens given where hand is away from body and player not looking. Consensus of "experts" generally agreed my my prognosis (actually I m agreeing with theirs).
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And they will if the hand is considered to be in an unnatural position, such as going to block a ball and outstretching an arm. It isn't deliberate in that it's not a move of the hand to the ball but it's a conscious act to make the chance of the ball hitting the hand greater.
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Glad you agree with me
Ha! Running isn't unnatural is the point
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posted on 22/1/17
It's not handball imo
posted on 22/1/17
Ball hits hand awayyyy from body and drops right at feet instead of going over shouldr to safety. The argument when GIVING pens is always "was the arm away from his body ? if yes it's a pen" same should apply at other end. -
posted on 22/1/17
Never a handball. He wasn't even looking. No one was expecting the howler from Lloris, least of all Sane.
You are just trying to deflect from the penalty and red Spurs avoided.
posted on 22/1/17
For me it's handball because it gave him an advantage...
No fault on the referees though. There is no way that they could have spotted it.
posted on 22/1/17
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posted on 22/1/17
You also have to take in account other stuff.
How close is he = very close
Is he expecting to get ball = no probably certain like me that Lloris would clear.
Not everything is black and white
posted on 22/1/17
It's debatable. Hengy, if the ball had smacked his arm on the line and gone in, would you be saying different?
posted on 22/1/17
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
Never a handball. He wasn't even looking. No one was expecting the howler from Lloris, least of all Sane.
You are just trying to deflect from the penalty and red Spurs avoided.
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I fail to see what your point "he wasn't looking" - the fact that his arm was out is enough to make it handball ...... as I stated originally.
posted on 22/1/17
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 4 minutes ago
It's debatable. Hengy, if the ball had smacked his arm on the line and gone in, would you be saying different?
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No because it's accidental and imo not debatable at all
posted on 22/1/17
Have you not watched any football lately mate - the "accidental" element disappeared some years ago. Now it's either arm away from body/unnatural position or hand moves to ball. Can't believe there are football fans who don't know this.
Are you still watching in black and white Hengy ?
posted on 22/1/17
That's not how it's interpreted though. It is a natural position if you are running, unless you are Sterling and you run like a constipated pidgeon.
posted on 22/1/17
Accidental element has left the rules at all and your total lack of footballing knowledge is astounding.
I'll leave you to it
posted on 22/1/17
Hasn't*
posted on 22/1/17
comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
Never a handball. He wasn't even looking. No one was expecting the howler from Lloris, least of all Sane.
You are just trying to deflect from the penalty and red Spurs avoided.
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I fail to see what your point "he wasn't looking" - the fact that his arm was out is enough to make it handball ...... as I stated originally.
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No it isn't. There isn't anything in the rules along those lines
posted on 22/1/17
HANDLING THE BALL
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.
The following must be considered:
the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement
hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement
The goalkeeper has the same restrictions on handling the ball as any other player outside the penalty area. Inside their penalty area, the goalkeeper cannot be guilty of a handling offence incurring a direct free kick or any related sanction but can be guilty of handling offences that incur an indirect free kick.
posted on 22/1/17
Hengy - Tell me how many pens have you seen given for "accidental" handball in say the last 2 seasons and generally most agreed with refs as it follows current interpretations. Astounding indeed !
posted on 22/1/17
Source:
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct
posted on 22/1/17
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
HANDLING THE BALL
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.
The following must be considered:
the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement
hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement
The goalkeeper has the same restrictions on handling the ball as any other player outside the penalty area. Inside their penalty area, the goalkeeper cannot be guilty of a handling offence incurring a direct free kick or any related sanction but can be guilty of handling offences that incur an indirect free kick.
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How much did these rules cost ? Think it may have been 3 and 6.
posted on 22/1/17
16/17 rules, source included.
posted on 22/1/17
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Source:
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct
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Check mate to you then
Still seen countless pens given where hand is away from body and player not looking. Consensus of "experts" generally agreed my my prognosis (actually I m agreeing with theirs).
posted on 22/1/17
There is a lack of consistency, that is for sure
posted on 22/1/17
DJ - does the FA use those rules are refs instructed to interpret them differently.
A scissors or bicycle kick is permissible provided that it is not dangerous to an opponent.
IMPEDING THE PROGRESS OF AN OPPONENT WITHOUT CONTACT
Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance of either player.
Hardly ever see a bicycle kick in a crowded area given as a foul.
Obstruction - For how many years have we seen players obstructing the ball out of play - never see it given though. All down to FA's current interpretations of those rules.
posted on 22/1/17
comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Source:
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct
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Check mate to you then
Still seen countless pens given where hand is away from body and player not looking. Consensus of "experts" generally agreed my my prognosis (actually I m agreeing with theirs).
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And they will if the hand is considered to be in an unnatural position, such as going to block a ball and outstretching an arm. It isn't deliberate in that it's not a move of the hand to the ball but it's a conscious act to make the chance of the ball hitting the hand greater.
posted on 22/1/17
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Source:
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct
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Check mate to you then
Still seen countless pens given where hand is away from body and player not looking. Consensus of "experts" generally agreed my my prognosis (actually I m agreeing with theirs).
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And they will if the hand is considered to be in an unnatural position, such as going to block a ball and outstretching an arm. It isn't deliberate in that it's not a move of the hand to the ball but it's a conscious act to make the chance of the ball hitting the hand greater.
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Glad you agree with me
posted on 22/1/17
Ha! Running isn't unnatural is the point
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