comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Life's full of people who moan about the fact that they never win anything on the lottery but fail to mention the fact they never buy a ticket.
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I appreciate the coversation has developed since this, and I'll catch up in a sec, but have you seen that 21 year old t!t who's thinking of suing Lotto because she won 1m at 17 and claims her life is now worse??!!!
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what a dozy dozy c@nt.
this probably sums up what her problem is, and it's nothing to do with being rich:"Park who won the Euromillions in 2013 has splashed out on breast implants, two properties and a chihuahua, but admitted she struggles to find purpose in life."
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 49 seconds ago
It was fortune, nothing else. City were in the right situation at the right time, and not through their own doing.
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Who's doing was it then?
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So, are you really trying to argue that city deserved this and more than the likes of everton or Newcastle? That your club really did something that made them head and shoulders above everyone else to get an enormous cash injection that essentially remade the club?
Come on.
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Having worked with a large company from the gulf, knowing how meticulous and calculated they are with their work, down to every single detail and figure, I fail to see why anyone would think a similar organisation would decide the best way to buy an English club was pulling names out of a hat - unless their on the wind up, or their thick as pig silt.
We're fortunate to be in the situation as fans no doubt and it's refreshing to have (largely) watched some decent football over the last few years, but the lottery winners routine is just a bit, lazy... As for being "more deserving" of it than other clubs, not sure what that really even means. Why would any fan deserve to see their club be successful any more than any other?
I can't for the life of me fathom the logic of the elite English/European clubs although I more than understand their motives. Increasing the bottom line figure year on year is their primary objective. The negative impact on the structure, institutions and future of the game is incidental and readily sacrificed.
Where is the logic or justice in these clubs claiming the lions share of tv and broadcasting rights? They claim that tv audiences tune in and subscribe mainly to watch them and while there is more than an element of truth in that having opposition to play against is also necessary. The elite clubs already benefit from larger gate receipts, larger merchandise sales and greater prize money via higher finishing positions and regular European participation. They will always have a financial advantage so to further handicap and crush the dreams of the rest of the clubs from having any chances of maybe one day having a successful title campaign or qualifying for a CL spot is beyond selfish and short sighted as this is a risky and dangerous road to go down.
Football has to be about dreams being possible and unexpected and inspiring stories being written and going into folklore for years to come. Removing or denying to others this aspect of a sport like football is misguided. If the elite clubs want to break away and form their own exclusive "super league" where only they can participate or stay within a league with the other teams merely being also rans (which sadly is even now more or less the case) then I can see interest in the game waning and these clubs would be killing the golden goose that has given them so much.
Big six....?
Stuff em. Football was played long before they were formed and will be still played and loved at the clubs outside of the big six
A bigger concern for me is the number of American owners, if 14 Clubs vote for no relegation/promotion then that's it, done.
If you look at American Football it is literally a licence to print money, the owners limit wages to 51% of turnover and K£RCHING
Not far off that 14 now
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I'm late to the conversation but it should be noted that during the Ferguson/Gill years it was discussed many times after the creation of the PL and United certainly always voted against any kind of financial doping in that way.
Mainly for the reasons cited above, that in order for United to be successful financially we also needed a successful opposition. All that has happened since those days are that the top end of the table has expanded to include City and Spurs for very different reasons.
My main issue with the article however is that it doesn't actually give any details of what the deal contained, and in not revealing the details it makes out like the rest of the league has followed the 'top 6' wishes. I don't really have an issue with them meeting separately as they will have very different needs to say Burnley, particularly as more often than not it's their games that move for the TV deals but I would hope that in the interests of the league they would look to maintain the status quo.
Park Lane Geezer, well done in producing an excellent article, well thought out in my view and with no criticism from me. However, in taking the moral high ground, you desire for fairness and equality in the monied world of football evades the initial attraction: desire.
Long before the advent of Sky et al, my desire was to see my team play football. I struggle to gain any enjoyment in watching any other club play. I think I am right in saying that the two Spanish clubs have their own tv packages, and there is an inevitability, in my view (and, admittedly selfishly) that the way things will go here.
I desire, with an endless passion to see my club play. Supply and demand determines where the future lies.
JimmyTheRed
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It is true
I like living where I am
I politely turned down the offer of one. For free.
comment by JimmyTheRed (U1682)
posted 14 minutes ago
Park Lane Geezer, well done in producing an excellent article, well thought out in my view and with no criticism from me. However, in taking the moral high ground, you desire for fairness and equality in the monied world of football evades the initial attraction: desire.
Long before the advent of Sky et al, my desire was to see my team play football. I struggle to gain any enjoyment in watching any other club play. I think I am right in saying that the two Spanish clubs have their own tv packages, and there is an inevitability, in my view (and, admittedly selfishly) that the way things will go here.
I desire, with an endless passion to see my club play. Supply and demand determines where the future lies.
JimmyTheRed
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It does have the air of inevitability about it to be honest and as has already been said the only club this would benefit at the moment would be United. In 3 years we would be out of sight commercially, whilst it would still require good management we would be able to outspend every club by a significant amount and still be inside the FFP rules.
Secondly it's also one of the reasons that United have resisted this within the league. Without the competition the popularity of the whole product wanes. However selfishly I would also pay for MUTV if I could see every game on there.
comment by Ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 10 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Life's full of people who moan about the fact that they never win anything on the lottery but fail to mention the fact they never buy a ticket.
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I appreciate the coversation has developed since this, and I'll catch up in a sec, but have you seen that 21 year old t!t who's thinking of suing Lotto because she won 1m at 17 and claims her life is now worse??!!!
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She'll be awarded money if she wins. Will she then sue her lawyers?
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JimmyTheRed
Appreciate your response. I'm like you with regard to not attending my teams matches in the last few years having been a regular match goer for many, many seasons. I do however by hook or by crook ensure that I watch every Spurs game via various media.
The issue of the impact on football from future broadcasting arrangements, short and long term, will always be a matter of some concern. The geometric growth of money flooding the game provides both opportunities and risks. The people involved in making the decisions as to how the game evolves have a serious responsibility and their pronouncements will determine whether the game retains its integrity across the spectrum. If elite clubs breakaway and in effect ostracise and exclude the rest of the football clubs I cannot see how that would not have a negative effect.
If your team is not amongst the elite hierarchy and is restricted to playing in a lesser league only would interest amongst these fans in the elite league wan? I think my interest would. Also in time the "lesser" league may grow to such an extent that they would challenge the hegemony of the elites and result in a split that would damage the game. Look at the problems in the darts game or in boxing where competing organisations battle to gain control of their sports. It dilutes the integrity of their sports and I suggest that this has to be avoided at all costs.
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot (U1037)
posted 22 hours, 7 minutes ago
. Before the ballot could take place, there were a few unexpected murmurs of dissent and then, from nowhere, the request that representatives of 14 of the clubs leave the room so that the remaining six — you can guess which six — could discuss the matter in private.
That's the issue,not the outcome of the vote
________________
I don't get this. I'm not sure I even believe it.
What if the other 14 clubs had simply told the big 6 to "fack off"?
What could they have done about it?
interesting read.
1. Its not a charity. So from a purely selfish perspective why should a club in the top 6 not stand up and defend its own personal interest.
2. As a fan I'm sick of being gouged by them all. fans of English football in foreign countries get a far better deal than uk fans do.
3. why did the other 14 not tell the 6 to go outside if they wanted to talk in private and occupy the room then?
3. why did the other 14 not tell the 6 to go outside if they wanted to talk in private and occupy the room then?
____________
My point exactly. And the reason why I struggle to believe this story.
PLG, I'm not with you on the points of ostracising or excluding minor clubs. As and when they play against the top six, then part of the profits should automatically find its way to them. We will never, ever, I hope, have a top 6 versus a top six league, or a European league consisting solely of the national top clubs.
That would bore me to tears.
There's also the danger of saturation. It is reported that the Americans moved into the PL in the belief that, as a commercial enterprise, they couldn't take sport there any further. Could the day come when there will be a big turn-off by fans? It's possible, just look at how poorly your national squad is supported.
JimmyTheRed
comment by Republik of Mancunia (U6779)
posted 2 days, 8 hours ago
I'm late to the conversation but it should be noted that during the Ferguson/Gill years it was discussed many times after the creation of the PL and United certainly always voted against any kind of financial doping in that way.
Mainly for the reasons cited above, that in order for United to be successful financially we also needed a successful opposition. All that has happened since those days are that the top end of the table has expanded to include City and Spurs for very different reasons.
My main issue with the article however is that it doesn't actually give any details of what the deal contained, and in not revealing the details it makes out like the rest of the league has followed the 'top 6' wishes. I don't really have an issue with them meeting separately as they will have very different needs to say Burnley, particularly as more often than not it's their games that move for the TV deals but I would hope that in the interests of the league they would look to maintain the status quo.
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Republik,
Excellent article and good comment from you.
The "so-called" top 6 teams might be floating the idea of a European "super league" and that would be a shame for the thousands of fans of other teams who have supported English Football for many years.
Also interesting, whenever a discussion topic requires some responses other than name calling and sarcasm, LQ is usually silent.
Its no longer a sport its a business.
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Republik of Mancunia (U6779)
posted 2 days, 8 hours ago
I'm late to the conversation but it should be noted that during the Ferguson/Gill years it was discussed many times after the creation of the PL and United certainly always voted against any kind of financial doping in that way.
Mainly for the reasons cited above, that in order for United to be successful financially we also needed a successful opposition. All that has happened since those days are that the top end of the table has expanded to include City and Spurs for very different reasons.
My main issue with the article however is that it doesn't actually give any details of what the deal contained, and in not revealing the details it makes out like the rest of the league has followed the 'top 6' wishes. I don't really have an issue with them meeting separately as they will have very different needs to say Burnley, particularly as more often than not it's their games that move for the TV deals but I would hope that in the interests of the league they would look to maintain the status quo.
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Republik,
Excellent article and good comment from you.
The "so-called" top 6 teams might be floating the idea of a European "super league" and that would be a shame for the thousands of fans of other teams who have supported English Football for many years.
Also interesting, whenever a discussion topic requires some responses other than name calling and sarcasm, LQ is usually silent.
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A super league would not have that great an impact on teams. Maybe average attendance would drop by 3-5% but it would still be a viable product.
One thing for sure is that the 'super clubs' could see their players not picked for international duty by the English FA.
Also transfers of players to these clubs would be inflated beyond belief.
It wouldn't stop me attending games because I missed Arsenal or United games.
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posted on 12/2/17
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Life's full of people who moan about the fact that they never win anything on the lottery but fail to mention the fact they never buy a ticket.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I appreciate the coversation has developed since this, and I'll catch up in a sec, but have you seen that 21 year old t!t who's thinking of suing Lotto because she won 1m at 17 and claims her life is now worse??!!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
what a dozy dozy c@nt.
this probably sums up what her problem is, and it's nothing to do with being rich:"Park who won the Euromillions in 2013 has splashed out on breast implants, two properties and a chihuahua, but admitted she struggles to find purpose in life."
posted on 12/2/17
comment by Igor Biscan's Missing Goal Celebration (U15416)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 49 seconds ago
It was fortune, nothing else. City were in the right situation at the right time, and not through their own doing.
-----------------------------------------------------
Who's doing was it then?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So, are you really trying to argue that city deserved this and more than the likes of everton or Newcastle? That your club really did something that made them head and shoulders above everyone else to get an enormous cash injection that essentially remade the club?
Come on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Having worked with a large company from the gulf, knowing how meticulous and calculated they are with their work, down to every single detail and figure, I fail to see why anyone would think a similar organisation would decide the best way to buy an English club was pulling names out of a hat - unless their on the wind up, or their thick as pig silt.
We're fortunate to be in the situation as fans no doubt and it's refreshing to have (largely) watched some decent football over the last few years, but the lottery winners routine is just a bit, lazy... As for being "more deserving" of it than other clubs, not sure what that really even means. Why would any fan deserve to see their club be successful any more than any other?
posted on 12/2/17
I can't for the life of me fathom the logic of the elite English/European clubs although I more than understand their motives. Increasing the bottom line figure year on year is their primary objective. The negative impact on the structure, institutions and future of the game is incidental and readily sacrificed.
Where is the logic or justice in these clubs claiming the lions share of tv and broadcasting rights? They claim that tv audiences tune in and subscribe mainly to watch them and while there is more than an element of truth in that having opposition to play against is also necessary. The elite clubs already benefit from larger gate receipts, larger merchandise sales and greater prize money via higher finishing positions and regular European participation. They will always have a financial advantage so to further handicap and crush the dreams of the rest of the clubs from having any chances of maybe one day having a successful title campaign or qualifying for a CL spot is beyond selfish and short sighted as this is a risky and dangerous road to go down.
Football has to be about dreams being possible and unexpected and inspiring stories being written and going into folklore for years to come. Removing or denying to others this aspect of a sport like football is misguided. If the elite clubs want to break away and form their own exclusive "super league" where only they can participate or stay within a league with the other teams merely being also rans (which sadly is even now more or less the case) then I can see interest in the game waning and these clubs would be killing the golden goose that has given them so much.
posted on 12/2/17
Big six....?
Stuff em. Football was played long before they were formed and will be still played and loved at the clubs outside of the big six
posted on 12/2/17
A bigger concern for me is the number of American owners, if 14 Clubs vote for no relegation/promotion then that's it, done.
If you look at American Football it is literally a licence to print money, the owners limit wages to 51% of turnover and K£RCHING
Not far off that 14 now
posted on 13/2/17
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posted on 13/2/17
I'm late to the conversation but it should be noted that during the Ferguson/Gill years it was discussed many times after the creation of the PL and United certainly always voted against any kind of financial doping in that way.
Mainly for the reasons cited above, that in order for United to be successful financially we also needed a successful opposition. All that has happened since those days are that the top end of the table has expanded to include City and Spurs for very different reasons.
My main issue with the article however is that it doesn't actually give any details of what the deal contained, and in not revealing the details it makes out like the rest of the league has followed the 'top 6' wishes. I don't really have an issue with them meeting separately as they will have very different needs to say Burnley, particularly as more often than not it's their games that move for the TV deals but I would hope that in the interests of the league they would look to maintain the status quo.
posted on 13/2/17
Park Lane Geezer, well done in producing an excellent article, well thought out in my view and with no criticism from me. However, in taking the moral high ground, you desire for fairness and equality in the monied world of football evades the initial attraction: desire.
Long before the advent of Sky et al, my desire was to see my team play football. I struggle to gain any enjoyment in watching any other club play. I think I am right in saying that the two Spanish clubs have their own tv packages, and there is an inevitability, in my view (and, admittedly selfishly) that the way things will go here.
I desire, with an endless passion to see my club play. Supply and demand determines where the future lies.
JimmyTheRed
posted on 13/2/17
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 13/2/17
It is true
I like living where I am
I politely turned down the offer of one. For free.
posted on 13/2/17
comment by JimmyTheRed (U1682)
posted 14 minutes ago
Park Lane Geezer, well done in producing an excellent article, well thought out in my view and with no criticism from me. However, in taking the moral high ground, you desire for fairness and equality in the monied world of football evades the initial attraction: desire.
Long before the advent of Sky et al, my desire was to see my team play football. I struggle to gain any enjoyment in watching any other club play. I think I am right in saying that the two Spanish clubs have their own tv packages, and there is an inevitability, in my view (and, admittedly selfishly) that the way things will go here.
I desire, with an endless passion to see my club play. Supply and demand determines where the future lies.
JimmyTheRed
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It does have the air of inevitability about it to be honest and as has already been said the only club this would benefit at the moment would be United. In 3 years we would be out of sight commercially, whilst it would still require good management we would be able to outspend every club by a significant amount and still be inside the FFP rules.
Secondly it's also one of the reasons that United have resisted this within the league. Without the competition the popularity of the whole product wanes. However selfishly I would also pay for MUTV if I could see every game on there.
posted on 13/2/17
comment by Ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 10 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Life's full of people who moan about the fact that they never win anything on the lottery but fail to mention the fact they never buy a ticket.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I appreciate the coversation has developed since this, and I'll catch up in a sec, but have you seen that 21 year old t!t who's thinking of suing Lotto because she won 1m at 17 and claims her life is now worse??!!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
She'll be awarded money if she wins. Will she then sue her lawyers?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 13/2/17
JimmyTheRed
Appreciate your response. I'm like you with regard to not attending my teams matches in the last few years having been a regular match goer for many, many seasons. I do however by hook or by crook ensure that I watch every Spurs game via various media.
The issue of the impact on football from future broadcasting arrangements, short and long term, will always be a matter of some concern. The geometric growth of money flooding the game provides both opportunities and risks. The people involved in making the decisions as to how the game evolves have a serious responsibility and their pronouncements will determine whether the game retains its integrity across the spectrum. If elite clubs breakaway and in effect ostracise and exclude the rest of the football clubs I cannot see how that would not have a negative effect.
If your team is not amongst the elite hierarchy and is restricted to playing in a lesser league only would interest amongst these fans in the elite league wan? I think my interest would. Also in time the "lesser" league may grow to such an extent that they would challenge the hegemony of the elites and result in a split that would damage the game. Look at the problems in the darts game or in boxing where competing organisations battle to gain control of their sports. It dilutes the integrity of their sports and I suggest that this has to be avoided at all costs.
posted on 13/2/17
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot (U1037)
posted 22 hours, 7 minutes ago
. Before the ballot could take place, there were a few unexpected murmurs of dissent and then, from nowhere, the request that representatives of 14 of the clubs leave the room so that the remaining six — you can guess which six — could discuss the matter in private.
That's the issue,not the outcome of the vote
________________
I don't get this. I'm not sure I even believe it.
What if the other 14 clubs had simply told the big 6 to "fack off"?
What could they have done about it?
posted on 13/2/17
interesting read.
1. Its not a charity. So from a purely selfish perspective why should a club in the top 6 not stand up and defend its own personal interest.
2. As a fan I'm sick of being gouged by them all. fans of English football in foreign countries get a far better deal than uk fans do.
3. why did the other 14 not tell the 6 to go outside if they wanted to talk in private and occupy the room then?
posted on 13/2/17
3. why did the other 14 not tell the 6 to go outside if they wanted to talk in private and occupy the room then?
____________
My point exactly. And the reason why I struggle to believe this story.
posted on 13/2/17
PLG, I'm not with you on the points of ostracising or excluding minor clubs. As and when they play against the top six, then part of the profits should automatically find its way to them. We will never, ever, I hope, have a top 6 versus a top six league, or a European league consisting solely of the national top clubs.
That would bore me to tears.
There's also the danger of saturation. It is reported that the Americans moved into the PL in the belief that, as a commercial enterprise, they couldn't take sport there any further. Could the day come when there will be a big turn-off by fans? It's possible, just look at how poorly your national squad is supported.
JimmyTheRed
posted on 15/2/17
comment by Republik of Mancunia (U6779)
posted 2 days, 8 hours ago
I'm late to the conversation but it should be noted that during the Ferguson/Gill years it was discussed many times after the creation of the PL and United certainly always voted against any kind of financial doping in that way.
Mainly for the reasons cited above, that in order for United to be successful financially we also needed a successful opposition. All that has happened since those days are that the top end of the table has expanded to include City and Spurs for very different reasons.
My main issue with the article however is that it doesn't actually give any details of what the deal contained, and in not revealing the details it makes out like the rest of the league has followed the 'top 6' wishes. I don't really have an issue with them meeting separately as they will have very different needs to say Burnley, particularly as more often than not it's their games that move for the TV deals but I would hope that in the interests of the league they would look to maintain the status quo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Republik,
Excellent article and good comment from you.
The "so-called" top 6 teams might be floating the idea of a European "super league" and that would be a shame for the thousands of fans of other teams who have supported English Football for many years.
Also interesting, whenever a discussion topic requires some responses other than name calling and sarcasm, LQ is usually silent.
posted on 15/2/17
Its no longer a sport its a business.
posted on 15/2/17
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Republik of Mancunia (U6779)
posted 2 days, 8 hours ago
I'm late to the conversation but it should be noted that during the Ferguson/Gill years it was discussed many times after the creation of the PL and United certainly always voted against any kind of financial doping in that way.
Mainly for the reasons cited above, that in order for United to be successful financially we also needed a successful opposition. All that has happened since those days are that the top end of the table has expanded to include City and Spurs for very different reasons.
My main issue with the article however is that it doesn't actually give any details of what the deal contained, and in not revealing the details it makes out like the rest of the league has followed the 'top 6' wishes. I don't really have an issue with them meeting separately as they will have very different needs to say Burnley, particularly as more often than not it's their games that move for the TV deals but I would hope that in the interests of the league they would look to maintain the status quo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Republik,
Excellent article and good comment from you.
The "so-called" top 6 teams might be floating the idea of a European "super league" and that would be a shame for the thousands of fans of other teams who have supported English Football for many years.
Also interesting, whenever a discussion topic requires some responses other than name calling and sarcasm, LQ is usually silent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A super league would not have that great an impact on teams. Maybe average attendance would drop by 3-5% but it would still be a viable product.
One thing for sure is that the 'super clubs' could see their players not picked for international duty by the English FA.
Also transfers of players to these clubs would be inflated beyond belief.
It wouldn't stop me attending games because I missed Arsenal or United games.
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