Ranieri is a human being too
Of course Wahl and he may not be the right human being needed at this time to give these players the motivation and determination they need
It's why managers get paid millions a year. It's why they carry the can. And it's why sir Alex Ferguson and the great Brian Clough were such legends - the ability to get the very best out of players
Yeah, I do find it strange when people say 'he cost xx million he should has finished that'
If Leicester bought me for millions I'd still be worse than Musa (...hmm).
Buying a player for significantly less also doesn't mean they are far worse of a player (cite several Leicester players having come through recently). The money is simply reflective of what there valuation is at that point as opposed to some sort of magical code inputted to equip them on the field like robots.
Of course, what people are really saying that for that amount of money, they should have been valued highly enough to be equipped already with these skills to perform consistently. But this is a reflection of the DoF and management team not directly the individual. (Often in modern football anyway, players are purchased for inflated values or as 'investment' for 'potential'
But yes, there are certain attributes you would expect from any professional football and when these seek to plummet rapidly (as opposed to a naturally decline in skill through age), attitude, morale and head space are often investigated. Read yesterday that Ranieri is considering external agencies to build on this areas of support saying he needed 'help' - so I guess this gives backing to the suggestion this wasn't already in place this season. But it definitely couldn't do any harm at this stage
And of course, Ranieri is too human and may too need this support. Often we perhaps forget the stress managers are user and how they may be affected in ways covered up by bravado and needing to be a 'leader'.
There was a spat of stress related conditions affecting managers a while ago and the FA put out some generic statements, but the support offered from this perspectively certainly seems limited or at least advertised less to us as fans
You are totally right BS.
Whilst I'm very angry at the players for their performances this year, that won't help them, and it won't help us stay up.
We now have a job as fans. To get behind them during games as much as possible. Show them we still care, and we still believe.
Confidence is an incredible thing. The mental side to football is 70% for me. Even Messi would be terrible if he lost his confidence.
The mind is a very powerful thing. I know you know that.
I think often too, it can be a tangible moment, a turn of luck in a game, a morale boosting victory that kicks things back into place.
I guess the worrying thing is that we thought this had happened against Man City and it didn't really change anything. And another concern - if they turn it around against Sevilla, I think there will be uproar about them only caring about the big occasions. :/
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 9 minutes ago
You are totally right BS.
Whilst I'm very angry at the players for their performances this year, that won't help them, and it won't help us stay up.
We now have a job as fans. To get behind them during games as much as possible. Show them we still care, and we still believe.
Confidence is an incredible thing. The mental side to football is 70% for me. Even Messi would be terrible if he lost his confidence.
The mind is a very powerful thing. I know you know that.
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Couldn't agree more
We can all day long, but these highly paid well rewarded professional athletes,totally removed from the every day problems of life as experienced by the majority of fans.they are very privileged.
Their lack of effort is unacceptable,this club has stuck by them.If they are not happy or demotivated then just get out of our club and see how you get on elsewhere.
Ranieri is mainly to blame, I think he is too loyal and not strict enough.
Ranieri is mainly to blame, I think he is too loyal and not strict enough.
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Ironic right? Ranieri is loyal but neither the Lester players nor the Lester fans show him any loyalty back
comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted 32 minutes ago
We can all day long, but these highly paid well rewarded professional athletes,totally removed from the every day problems of life as experienced by the majority of fans.they are very privileged.
Their lack of effort is unacceptable,this club has stuck by them.If they are not happy or demotivated then just get out of our club and see how you get on elsewhere.
Ranieri is mainly to blame, I think he is too loyal and not strict enough.
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This is a very old school view and not one I subscribe to when talking about the players
Just very easy to sit there and say fhey aren't trying.
There is so much more going on than that
That's not to excuse poor performances but once again, money doesn't make you immune to the psychological side of the game. The players have lost belief, lost confidence in themselves and Ranieri
There is only one way back for them - the fans
comment by Cesc + Costa - The Spanish Duo (U21341)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ranieri is mainly to blame, I think he is too loyal and not strict enough.
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Ironic right? Ranieri is loyal but neither the Lester players nor the Lester fans show him any loyalty back
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The club have been very good with Ranieri so far given we are playing the worst football in the entire football league and given the fact he earns an absolute fortune
He's been sacked everywhere he has ever been and fails after his first season yet you continually ignore this track record.
I think a few of the players hoped they'd get big money moves last summer, and are seeing their backsides. No doubt Mahrez's agent was blowing smoke up his backside all summer saying Barcelona would be in for him.
After a few bad results the morale obviously vanished, the players see that Kante made the correct decision leaving and know that their stock will never be as high as it was last summer. The chances of any of them getting a big money move to a big club are almost non-existent now.
Chances of a club like Arsenal, for instance, being legitimately linked to Vardy again are zero.
They've all peaked and that's a hard mental block for any manager to overcome.
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posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Cesc + Costa - The Spanish Duo (U21341)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ranieri is mainly to blame, I think he is too loyal and not strict enough.
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Ironic right? Ranieri is loyal but neither the Lester players nor the Lester fans show him any loyalty back
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The club have been very good with Ranieri so far given we are playing the worst football in the entire football league and given the fact he earns an absolute fortune
He's been sacked everywhere he has ever been and fails after his first season yet you continually ignore this track record.
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The club have been good to him? Yeah I guess they have, I mean it's not like he achieved anything special last season to more than justify that...
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comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Cesc + Costa - The Spanish Duo (U21341)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ranieri is mainly to blame, I think he is too loyal and not strict enough.
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Ironic right? Ranieri is loyal but neither the Lester players nor the Lester fans show him any loyalty back
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The club have been very good with Ranieri so far given we are playing the worst football in the entire football league and given the fact he earns an absolute fortune
He's been sacked everywhere he has ever been and fails after his first season yet you continually ignore this track record.
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The club have been good to him? Yeah I guess they have, I mean it's not like he achieved anything special last season to more than justify that...
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Exactly. And he's proving with every passing performance that actually, once he starts putting his authority on a club, it's starts to unravel
He will be given the season to tarnish what he did last year. Which he will
I don't think the players were psychologically ready to win the Premier League last season and I think that the emotion and euphoria, rather than spurring them on, has actually led to them not knowing what to do now.
The majority of our squad last season were journeyman and young prospects. Only Huth and Schwarzer were part of squads that won the title. After reaching the pinnacle of their careers, and knowing that they would probably never achieve it again, subconsciously I think some of them have just completely switched off.
It sort of reminds me of Only Fools and Horses where after years of scraping and barely getting by, they suddenly become millionaires and don't know what they are suppose to do now.
This is where I think the club itself does have a responsibility. They should have seen this potential situation arising and invested in a new sports psychologist team to ensure that they didn't 'hit the wall'. We should have been setting new ambitious targets, even if they weren't realistic, to keep the players switched on and thriving to achieve more. We did neither (our pre-season target was 40 points again - what a comedown that must have been) and compounded the problem by not having a proper pre-season. The reality is that last summer was probably the worst summer since the Martin Allen 'era' and left us totally unprepared for the season ahead - physically, psychologically and in terms of squad strength.
Having said that, none of that excuses lack of effort which, I'm afraid to say, has been evident this season. We've not dropped 10%, which you might understand, we've dropped 30%, 40%. That is inexplicable and everyone should take their fair share of responsibility.
We're such a mess at the moment. Stay up or go down, I'm not convinced we can turn that around in one summer.
Ranieri is getting a lot of heat at the minute for sure but I hold Rudkin and the owners far more responsible than either him or the players if I'm honest
Ranieri is just a lovable loser, the players have lost their self belief but the hierarchy of the club is where things have really gone wrong
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 7 minutes ago
Ranieri is getting a lot of heat at the minute for sure but I hold Rudkin and the owners far more responsible than either him or the players if I'm honest
Ranieri is just a lovable loser, the players have lost their self belief but the hierarchy of the club is where things have really gone wrong
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Now that's something I completely agree with you on BS. I have said time and time before, we didn't expect to win the league and were not ready for it and the owners and more so Rudkin have been found wanting.
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Dilly
I tend to focus on different areas as the weeks go by in what is one of the saddest endings to a remarkable story.
At the moment my focus is on Ranieri and his contribution but I'm certainly not naive enough to think it's his fault entirely. His track record before latest worries me and I see no real evidence that he can turn this mess around - but that being said, I see Rudkin as one of the biggest culprits of this absolute disaster
We need to change something as we look like
losing every game.
If CR is not capable of changing things then
someone else should.
So come on CR change the line up to a team that will
harmonise leave out trouble makers.
When your sacked you will look back and wished you had.
Time for the likes of Steve Walsh (and I mean OUR old CB) to walk in and sort things out.
BS Following along your line of only being Humans.... What about and players meet the fans Q&A? Maybe a section of the supporters club meet a few senior players and manager. Whereas we get to voice some concerns and to be allowed to ask sensible vetted questions about what is needed in the next 13 league games? This, I feel would really bring a human side out of the players to see how it effects everyone associated with the club. Just an idea....
Florida - I can't see that being anything other than negative. The only thing I can see helping is for the club to stand together; putting the squad in front of a load of fans, vetted questions or otherwise, would only be corporate embarrassment.
The players have to find some collective inner fight and pull the fans with them.
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Florida - I can't see that being anything other than negative. The only thing I can see helping is for the club to stand together; putting the squad in front of a load of fans, vetted questions or otherwise, would only be corporate embarrassment.
The players have to find some collective inner fight and pull the fans with them.
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Yes, you maybe right.... I might be along the lines of more accountability than anything else?
They definitely need to accept accountability - for themselves as much as anything as they need to realise that their future is very much in their own hands.
The problem is that, through a combination of lack of trust, lack of belief and certain players not being invested in the future of the club, players are hiding from that responsibility. I can't see any form of orchestrated public embarrassment (which a conference like that would inevitably turn into despite the best of intentions) helping in that regard.
Foxello's post above is the best assessment of WTF this is happening I have read yet. Completely agree.
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posted on 19/2/17
Ranieri is a human being too
posted on 19/2/17
Of course Wahl and he may not be the right human being needed at this time to give these players the motivation and determination they need
It's why managers get paid millions a year. It's why they carry the can. And it's why sir Alex Ferguson and the great Brian Clough were such legends - the ability to get the very best out of players
posted on 19/2/17
Yeah, I do find it strange when people say 'he cost xx million he should has finished that'
If Leicester bought me for millions I'd still be worse than Musa (...hmm).
Buying a player for significantly less also doesn't mean they are far worse of a player (cite several Leicester players having come through recently). The money is simply reflective of what there valuation is at that point as opposed to some sort of magical code inputted to equip them on the field like robots.
Of course, what people are really saying that for that amount of money, they should have been valued highly enough to be equipped already with these skills to perform consistently. But this is a reflection of the DoF and management team not directly the individual. (Often in modern football anyway, players are purchased for inflated values or as 'investment' for 'potential'
But yes, there are certain attributes you would expect from any professional football and when these seek to plummet rapidly (as opposed to a naturally decline in skill through age), attitude, morale and head space are often investigated. Read yesterday that Ranieri is considering external agencies to build on this areas of support saying he needed 'help' - so I guess this gives backing to the suggestion this wasn't already in place this season. But it definitely couldn't do any harm at this stage
posted on 19/2/17
And of course, Ranieri is too human and may too need this support. Often we perhaps forget the stress managers are user and how they may be affected in ways covered up by bravado and needing to be a 'leader'.
There was a spat of stress related conditions affecting managers a while ago and the FA put out some generic statements, but the support offered from this perspectively certainly seems limited or at least advertised less to us as fans
posted on 19/2/17
You are totally right BS.
Whilst I'm very angry at the players for their performances this year, that won't help them, and it won't help us stay up.
We now have a job as fans. To get behind them during games as much as possible. Show them we still care, and we still believe.
Confidence is an incredible thing. The mental side to football is 70% for me. Even Messi would be terrible if he lost his confidence.
The mind is a very powerful thing. I know you know that.
posted on 19/2/17
I think often too, it can be a tangible moment, a turn of luck in a game, a morale boosting victory that kicks things back into place.
I guess the worrying thing is that we thought this had happened against Man City and it didn't really change anything. And another concern - if they turn it around against Sevilla, I think there will be uproar about them only caring about the big occasions. :/
posted on 19/2/17
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 9 minutes ago
You are totally right BS.
Whilst I'm very angry at the players for their performances this year, that won't help them, and it won't help us stay up.
We now have a job as fans. To get behind them during games as much as possible. Show them we still care, and we still believe.
Confidence is an incredible thing. The mental side to football is 70% for me. Even Messi would be terrible if he lost his confidence.
The mind is a very powerful thing. I know you know that.
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Couldn't agree more
posted on 19/2/17
We can all day long, but these highly paid well rewarded professional athletes,totally removed from the every day problems of life as experienced by the majority of fans.they are very privileged.
Their lack of effort is unacceptable,this club has stuck by them.If they are not happy or demotivated then just get out of our club and see how you get on elsewhere.
Ranieri is mainly to blame, I think he is too loyal and not strict enough.
posted on 19/2/17
Ranieri is mainly to blame, I think he is too loyal and not strict enough.
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Ironic right? Ranieri is loyal but neither the Lester players nor the Lester fans show him any loyalty back
posted on 19/2/17
comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted 32 minutes ago
We can all day long, but these highly paid well rewarded professional athletes,totally removed from the every day problems of life as experienced by the majority of fans.they are very privileged.
Their lack of effort is unacceptable,this club has stuck by them.If they are not happy or demotivated then just get out of our club and see how you get on elsewhere.
Ranieri is mainly to blame, I think he is too loyal and not strict enough.
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This is a very old school view and not one I subscribe to when talking about the players
Just very easy to sit there and say fhey aren't trying.
There is so much more going on than that
That's not to excuse poor performances but once again, money doesn't make you immune to the psychological side of the game. The players have lost belief, lost confidence in themselves and Ranieri
There is only one way back for them - the fans
posted on 19/2/17
comment by Cesc + Costa - The Spanish Duo (U21341)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ranieri is mainly to blame, I think he is too loyal and not strict enough.
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Ironic right? Ranieri is loyal but neither the Lester players nor the Lester fans show him any loyalty back
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The club have been very good with Ranieri so far given we are playing the worst football in the entire football league and given the fact he earns an absolute fortune
He's been sacked everywhere he has ever been and fails after his first season yet you continually ignore this track record.
posted on 19/2/17
I think a few of the players hoped they'd get big money moves last summer, and are seeing their backsides. No doubt Mahrez's agent was blowing smoke up his backside all summer saying Barcelona would be in for him.
After a few bad results the morale obviously vanished, the players see that Kante made the correct decision leaving and know that their stock will never be as high as it was last summer. The chances of any of them getting a big money move to a big club are almost non-existent now.
Chances of a club like Arsenal, for instance, being legitimately linked to Vardy again are zero.
They've all peaked and that's a hard mental block for any manager to overcome.
posted on 19/2/17
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Cesc + Costa - The Spanish Duo (U21341)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ranieri is mainly to blame, I think he is too loyal and not strict enough.
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Ironic right? Ranieri is loyal but neither the Lester players nor the Lester fans show him any loyalty back
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The club have been very good with Ranieri so far given we are playing the worst football in the entire football league and given the fact he earns an absolute fortune
He's been sacked everywhere he has ever been and fails after his first season yet you continually ignore this track record.
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The club have been good to him? Yeah I guess they have, I mean it's not like he achieved anything special last season to more than justify that...
posted on 19/2/17
comment by Cesc + Costa - The Spanish Duo (U21341)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Cesc + Costa - The Spanish Duo (U21341)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ranieri is mainly to blame, I think he is too loyal and not strict enough.
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Ironic right? Ranieri is loyal but neither the Lester players nor the Lester fans show him any loyalty back
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The club have been very good with Ranieri so far given we are playing the worst football in the entire football league and given the fact he earns an absolute fortune
He's been sacked everywhere he has ever been and fails after his first season yet you continually ignore this track record.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The club have been good to him? Yeah I guess they have, I mean it's not like he achieved anything special last season to more than justify that...
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Exactly. And he's proving with every passing performance that actually, once he starts putting his authority on a club, it's starts to unravel
He will be given the season to tarnish what he did last year. Which he will
posted on 19/2/17
I don't think the players were psychologically ready to win the Premier League last season and I think that the emotion and euphoria, rather than spurring them on, has actually led to them not knowing what to do now.
The majority of our squad last season were journeyman and young prospects. Only Huth and Schwarzer were part of squads that won the title. After reaching the pinnacle of their careers, and knowing that they would probably never achieve it again, subconsciously I think some of them have just completely switched off.
It sort of reminds me of Only Fools and Horses where after years of scraping and barely getting by, they suddenly become millionaires and don't know what they are suppose to do now.
This is where I think the club itself does have a responsibility. They should have seen this potential situation arising and invested in a new sports psychologist team to ensure that they didn't 'hit the wall'. We should have been setting new ambitious targets, even if they weren't realistic, to keep the players switched on and thriving to achieve more. We did neither (our pre-season target was 40 points again - what a comedown that must have been) and compounded the problem by not having a proper pre-season. The reality is that last summer was probably the worst summer since the Martin Allen 'era' and left us totally unprepared for the season ahead - physically, psychologically and in terms of squad strength.
Having said that, none of that excuses lack of effort which, I'm afraid to say, has been evident this season. We've not dropped 10%, which you might understand, we've dropped 30%, 40%. That is inexplicable and everyone should take their fair share of responsibility.
We're such a mess at the moment. Stay up or go down, I'm not convinced we can turn that around in one summer.
posted on 19/2/17
Ranieri is getting a lot of heat at the minute for sure but I hold Rudkin and the owners far more responsible than either him or the players if I'm honest
Ranieri is just a lovable loser, the players have lost their self belief but the hierarchy of the club is where things have really gone wrong
posted on 19/2/17
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 7 minutes ago
Ranieri is getting a lot of heat at the minute for sure but I hold Rudkin and the owners far more responsible than either him or the players if I'm honest
Ranieri is just a lovable loser, the players have lost their self belief but the hierarchy of the club is where things have really gone wrong
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Now that's something I completely agree with you on BS. I have said time and time before, we didn't expect to win the league and were not ready for it and the owners and more so Rudkin have been found wanting.
UTF
posted on 19/2/17
Dilly
I tend to focus on different areas as the weeks go by in what is one of the saddest endings to a remarkable story.
At the moment my focus is on Ranieri and his contribution but I'm certainly not naive enough to think it's his fault entirely. His track record before latest worries me and I see no real evidence that he can turn this mess around - but that being said, I see Rudkin as one of the biggest culprits of this absolute disaster
posted on 19/2/17
We need to change something as we look like
losing every game.
If CR is not capable of changing things then
someone else should.
So come on CR change the line up to a team that will
harmonise leave out trouble makers.
When your sacked you will look back and wished you had.
posted on 19/2/17
Time for the likes of Steve Walsh (and I mean OUR old CB) to walk in and sort things out.
posted on 20/2/17
BS Following along your line of only being Humans.... What about and players meet the fans Q&A? Maybe a section of the supporters club meet a few senior players and manager. Whereas we get to voice some concerns and to be allowed to ask sensible vetted questions about what is needed in the next 13 league games? This, I feel would really bring a human side out of the players to see how it effects everyone associated with the club. Just an idea....
posted on 20/2/17
Florida - I can't see that being anything other than negative. The only thing I can see helping is for the club to stand together; putting the squad in front of a load of fans, vetted questions or otherwise, would only be corporate embarrassment.
The players have to find some collective inner fight and pull the fans with them.
posted on 20/2/17
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
Florida - I can't see that being anything other than negative. The only thing I can see helping is for the club to stand together; putting the squad in front of a load of fans, vetted questions or otherwise, would only be corporate embarrassment.
The players have to find some collective inner fight and pull the fans with them.
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Yes, you maybe right.... I might be along the lines of more accountability than anything else?
posted on 20/2/17
They definitely need to accept accountability - for themselves as much as anything as they need to realise that their future is very much in their own hands.
The problem is that, through a combination of lack of trust, lack of belief and certain players not being invested in the future of the club, players are hiding from that responsibility. I can't see any form of orchestrated public embarrassment (which a conference like that would inevitably turn into despite the best of intentions) helping in that regard.
posted on 21/2/17
Foxello's post above is the best assessment of WTF this is happening I have read yet. Completely agree.
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