comment by I am No.4 (U19487)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Viva_Ronaldo #lovepalestine (U19085)
posted 1 hour ago
russia, poland, serbia, ukraine and few others need to sort this problem out. how the fack can you have a problem with a black guy playing footy. he's a human being just like me and you only different skin colour. these people need to be shot
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Shot, yeh?
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Progressive liberalism: "I disagree, so you must die"

I'd question the notion that Viva is the best possible spokesperson for either liberalism or progressive politics.

It took him 6 words to go from "human being just like me" to "these people need to be shot"

This site is ace at times

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Pontus Jannson: purveyor of magic hats (U14008)
posted 31 seconds ago
As has been said above, it is unfair for you to expect countries with relatively little contact to other ethnicities to be as racially developed as a country that is as multicultural as Britain.
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I completely disagree. Racism is completely abhorrent.

Surely having relatively less contact with other ethnicity gives individuals even less reason to have a disliking of those people?
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Intentional naivety surely?

Human nature to fear the unknown or unfamiliar. A basic survival instinct of ours. Integration and cultural malleability is how you bring different groups together. Why do you think we celebrate Jesus' birthday on a pagan holiday date?

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
I'd question the notion that Viva is the best possible spokesperson for either liberalism or progressive politics.
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Definitely not. Nevertheless, his attitude is quite typical of the behaviour of the so-called 'millennials.'(or 'Generation Entitlement' AKA 'Generation "Parents Never Told Them "No""'* as I prefer to call them).

*working on a catchier name.

Intentional naivety surely?

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Yes, but I'd rather be faux-naive in dealing with racists, that legitimise their shoddy attitudes to other human beings with an 'understanding' of their circumstances.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
Intentional naivety surely?

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Yes, but I'd rather be faux-naive in dealing with racists, that legitimise their shoddy attitudes to other human beings with an 'understanding' of their circumstances.
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But treating peoples viewpoints without respect only intensifies their viewpoint in practice.

But treating peoples viewpoints without respect only intensifies their viewpoint in practice.

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Hence Brexit and Trump.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 3 minutes ago
But treating peoples viewpoints without respect only intensifies their viewpoint in practice.

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Hence Brexit and Trump.
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So you wouldn't refuse to try and understand or disrespect differing extreme opinions by calling them "shoddy" for example then as you said.

comment by I am No.4 (U19487)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 3 minutes ago
But treating peoples viewpoints without respect only intensifies their viewpoint in practice.

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Hence Brexit and Trump.
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So you wouldn't refuse to try and understand or disrespect differing extreme opinions by calling them "shoddy" for example then as you said.
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I haven't got the patience or inclination to try to disabuse people of their misguided attitudes. I'll leave that to the politicians, SJW's and authorities.

It allows for a happier life if I just sit back in my middle-class bubble and watch the world burn. I've already got a few grey's creeping in around the sides, and I'm not inclined to accelerate the ageing process by adding unneccessary stress to my life.

I've I encountered a racist in the street then I'd certainly voice my opinion if confronted by it, but I'm disinclined to get into rows with people online about things I'm not likely to affect.

I appreciate the saying goes 'apathy breeds contempt' but I'm not suited to being a poster boy for facilitating change. I'm too laid back and not sufficiently affected by it to be motivated.

If the Krauts want to invade again, then certainly I'll meet them on the beaches, but until that happens I'll just shake my head at all of the hate and bile I see spewed online, without lifting a finger to do much about it...

Maybe Viva can just shoot them all.

I'm one of those good men who would sit by and do nothing.

There's currently a large crowd of kids protesting against Trump in the square outside the town hall. One banner read "Hey Mister Tangerine Man."

I think they've got this covered.

It takes time for attitudes to change. Was it any different in the UK only a few decades ago? Most of those Serbian fans have probably never had any interactions with a person of colour before.

I think the advantage we had here was that we had the Commonwealth, and the accompanying obligations, which led to the integration of non-white British citizens and the move towards a multicultural society.

I don't see where a similar catalyst will come from in the former Soviet bloc.

The Lambeau Leap -

A change in attitude is unlikely to occur anytime soon within the Eastern bloc. As you've said, they never had an empire which gave them exposure to other ethnic groups. Also, any exposure they had with foreign cultures tended to be negative (such as Ottoman and Mongol conquests). Add that to the fact that these nations are poor, and it's obvious why such racist mentalities are so prevalent there.

Was this the guy we were linked with a few years ago?

Why the hell would any player "of colour" want to play in Serbia to begin with? Their reputation has been set in stone for many years. Poor lad, who talked him into playing there? Animals, they really are backwards.

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I personally do not care for a racists well being. If they were all to be shot, I'd personally not care.

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That's fair enough, but does that make you any more tolerant than they? There's an argument that it makes you just as bad as - or worse than - them.

That's the point a lot of young people today are missing; you can't argue against fascism (and expect to be taken seriously) if you're championing extremist behaviour yourself, which you are.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 14 hours, 46 minutes ago
I think the advantage we had here was that we had the Commonwealth, and the accompanying obligations, which led to the integration of non-white British citizens and the move towards a multicultural society.

I don't see where a similar catalyst will come from in the former Soviet bloc.
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This is true. We have grown up as a country thanks to exposure to diversity (though recent trends demonstrate that the process wasn't absolute).

Another factor is our tradition of liberal democracy and free press. It makes self-criticism easier; it fosters pluralism of opinion. The post-war communist countries of the Eastern Bloc didn't have this, and while on the face of it they described themselves as ideologically internationalist and anti-racist in line with Marxist principles, their tightly controlled political discourse was of a single 'our' truth, a prejudice in favour of homogeneity. It's no coincidence that when the Marxist aspect was dropped, people brought up in that system were more likely to fall prey to racist ideas. For instance, during the division of Germany, West Germany underwent a painful process of self-examination in relation to the horrors of Nazism. In East Germany there was nothing of the kind - although it considered itself, as a communist state, aligned with the enlightened forces of history and sincerely opposed to racism.

...this is why we should be concerned about the erosion of support for liberal democracy and growing authoritarian attitudes to media / judges who stand in the way of the 'will of the people', in parallel with growing nationalist sentiment.

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
I personally do not care for a racists well being. If they were all to be shot, I'd personally not care. They are the worst of humanity.. Pure and utter filth. These attitudes should be treated with the strongest punishments. Pure and utter dirt! They are excrement in my mind! Racists where I used to live, used to have it beaten out of them justly.

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You are aware that most people on this planet hold racialist beliefs to some degree or another?
And there are far worse people around then some ignorant Serbian louts.

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
I personally do not care for a (jew/Muslim/homosexual/socialist/woman)'s well being. If they were all to be shot, I'd personally not care. They are the worst of humanity.. Pure and utter filth. These should be treated with the strongest punishments. Pure and utter dirt! They are excrement in my mind! (Jew/Muslim/homosexual/socialist/women) where I used to live, used to have it beaten out of them justly.
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Is irony beaten out of people where you come from too?

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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 4 hours, 42 minutes ago
These responses are ridiculous. How can you justify hatred towards someone simply because of the colour of their skin. It's absurd to even make excuses. I'd understand a racist to make such excuses. So if my comments offend you, well good I hope they do. I hate racists and will not shy away from that. As for your comment about there being many racists.. So what? I don't care. They are filth too. They deserve every horrible event that happens in their life and worse. No I have no need to listen to their reasoning about hating someone simply based on their skin colour and features. You can go and tolerate them all you like, most probably as you can resonate with them.

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I don't think anyone is trying to justify the actions of those fans, just pointing out that your words are way OTT. To say that they deserve death is just silly. It's not like they r@ped and murdered a child or something.

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