Rubbish, you can't include Wassall & Powell just to suit the argument.
We've sacked 4 managers in 3 and a half seasons, not great, but not 6 in 18 months.
Reading your post it seems our paths cross again. We ave an owner who isn't "football" is answer is to bring in a D.O.F. to make the "football" decisions. However our D.O.F. is incompetent so we're back to square one. Oh, back to the days when managers managed and the owners knew the game rather than chasing the money.
Better this than the Americans, going nowhere with substandard players
At least Morris is attempting to take the club forward even though it hasn't worked as yet
Although I didnt agree with the McClaren sacking I can see why and when he did it
Rowett gets a good luck at the club for the rest of this season and pre season and see no reason why in that time he shouldnt hit the ground running come August
Today marks what would have been Sir Brian's 82nd birthday.
In other news, this article's crap.
Uncle Mel has made mistakes, not least of which has been allowing Player Power to manifest which, allayed to crowd discontent around Pearson's intransigence, made that parting of the ways almost inevitable. McClaren was always on a hiding to nothing, coming back with his tail between his legs to Mel, fans, and players alike, and his continuing reliance on the old guard despite their patent and continued failings coupled with a declaration that he was putting the band back together for next season meant he too had to go. He sacked himself first time around.
With Clement rumoured to be running amok in the background (rumoured to be why he turned down the England assistant manager role when Big Sam offered it to him) then he too was a forced-hand decision.
We've ended up with what appears to be a pragmatic manager, and hopefully one who will put the club above everything else. I expect a huge squad churn over the next few windows, and better things in the future.
#IwasKnowsNowt #CB4 #SaveDru
The Americans, usually "front wheel skids" ain't got a clue. No money, no interest. Don't you just ate "sky t.v.".
Dru - you've still not found the "H" button yet then but I agree with youtr point
Marco - fair point to a degree!
McClarens quote, not mine but, between May 2016 and November 2017 we had:-
McClaren, Clement, Wassall, Pearson, McClaren again (not including Powell)
Wassall had more games than Pearson! So, 5 in 18 months. We cant expect Schteve to be accurate!
666 - is it crap? You admit "Uncle Mel has made mistakes" yet blame them all on the managers. I'm suggesting that the blame lies with Mel either for employing them in the first place or not allowing them to do the job properly.
Bush - "Better this than the Americans, going nowhere with substandard players" yet here we are, still mid table in the 2nd division (going nowhere) and now with a bunch of ludicrously overpaid sub standard players and absolutely no effing team spirit that I can see!
Peeder:
Do you suppose every venture Uncle Mel has ever invested in demonstrated a return..? Of course not, but he's not just a 'lucky' businessman, he's shrewd and he would have learned something from each and every 'failure' along the way. They say that the man who never failed never tried, or some such crap, but the fact that Mel knows how many managers he's employed yet still is prepared to make changes when he deems them necessary shows the courage of his conviction rather than a frivolous disregard for the club.
Don't make the schoolboy error of confusing responsibility with accountability; there's been some absolutely ridiculous failings on the playing side and yes, they were the errors of his appointed managers/coaches/Chris Evans' but they should be viewed for what they were; serious attempts by the man with the money to better the club. He's not foist players on the coaches like Earnshaw onto Davies, he's trusted the encumbents' judgement to fulfill their roles. When the failed, he acted; can't ask for much more than that from a chairman.
#PeederKnowsNowt #WGT2018 #InMelWeTrust
I'm inclined to agree with 666 on this one.
I'm very, very sorry. I can pretty much guarantee it won't happen again.
comment by Peeder - are happy days here again? (U1684)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Marco - fair point to a degree!
McClarens quote, not mine but, between May 2016 and November 2017 we had:-
McClaren, Clement, Wassall, Pearson, McClaren again (not including Powell)
Wassall had more games than Pearson! So, 5 in 18 months. We cant expect Schteve to be accurate!
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Even that stat is skewed to suit the argument though, counting McClaren #1 as a sacking but not counting his total time in charge in the timeline is misleading.
I could just as easily say in 18 months minus 1 day, we've had 3 permanent managers - Clement, Pearson & McClaren #2
666
The quote is 'He who never made any mistakes - never made anything', I believe.
Mel has made massive successes (and fortunes) from several businesses, not just one.
Did these happen overnight? Do you think he made any mistakes along the way? Sacked anyone before for not getting results etc etc... ?
He says himself he just keeps going and going until he succeeds. Commendable attitude.
I can't believe some fans, seriously. Who would they prefer: Maxwell, 3 Amigos, GSE, Fawaz FFS?
666 - showing the courage of your convictions can also mean sticking with your decisions rather than chopping and changing at the slightest whim.
What we have seen from Mel is the ability to pick the wrong man for the job at least 4 times in the last couple of years.
As we are throwing around silly quotes ... "To lose one parent, Mr Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness."
So, how about 4/5? Rank incompetence ??
Don't get me wrong - I want Mel to get it right, bu8t as it stands, he has thrown away millions of his money on failed managers and failing players.
The main difference between responsibility and accountability is that responsibility can be shared while accountability cannot.
Being accountable not only means being responsible for something but also ultimately being answerable for your actions. So, which do you think he is, and does it really matter?
There has been very little so far to suggest he has learned anything from the errors he has made.
comment by RamsfanBaz.🐑 Since I was young 🐑 (U2480)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
666
The quote is 'He who never made any mistakes - never made anything', I believe.
Mel has made massive successes (and fortunes) from several businesses, not just one.
Did these happen overnight? Do you think he made any mistakes along the way? Sacked anyone before for not getting results etc etc... ?
He says himself he just keeps going and going until he succeeds. Commendable attitude.
I can't believe some fans, seriously. Who would they prefer: Maxwell, 3 Amigos, GSE, Fawaz FFS?
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Baz, when this idiot of a chairman stops making this club a joke I will have more time for him. I didn't mind GSE to much. They never threatened the future of the club by overspending which every owner I have seen at Derby before in my time following the club did. GSE tried to throw money at it at the beginning but then
Had the task of trying to turn the club round after the mess of the 3 amigos and then Gadsby and co. GSE to their credit never got us on the verge of FFP and ran the club on a budget but kept season ticket prices down. A few days after Andy Appleby stepped down as Chairman when Mel took over I had a good chat with him over at a friends house in the states. He warned me that Mel Mortis could be dangerous for the club. He doesn't want a board what's to run it by himself and isn't worried by FFP. 2 years later we are further away from the prem than GSE left us. And most of the things I was warned about have come true. No stability, massive wage bill on players who are here just for the money and don't care about the club or fans. Andy told me he wouldn't surprised if Morris made himself manager. Great business man yes. But football club owner and chairman well from his 1st 2 years I wouldn't say he is. Let's hope Rowett is given time. It wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if Rowett is sacked before Christmas. I remember going to the 1st game of the season and I said to my dad Pearsons got until Oct to be top of the league otherwise he will be gone. He said I was daft, daft? Totally! But spot on.
On a good news front.
Martin McGuiness has gone to hell
I'm agreeing with 666 and Baz on this. We are lucky to have a man like Mel running the club. Plenty of other owners start asset stripping their clubs, ours invests heavily and backs his managers.
Mac1 sacked himself with the Geordie stuff. Clement sacked himself with his alleged shenanigans and let's not forget Pearson was a popular choice when he was employed. Mel was right to sack Pearson when it was obvious that we were heading for relegation, but I think he was wrong to sign Mac2. He corrected his mistake and has employed a good man.
We should stop criticising Mel and hope things start to gel and the team starts moving in the right direction.
Griff, I'm with you on your second post. Norman Tebbett said what I was thinking today.
It said he died peacefully with his family with him. It a shame he didn't allow his innocent victims that privilege
"..slightest whim.."
#NoneSoBlind
Griff, GSE merely asset-stripped and tried to maximise every commercial revenue.The first thing they did was sell-off the entire catering rights of the stadium to Delaware North (reputedly £10M deal). Then they tried sell the naming the rights to the stadium. Maximising every commercial revenue was what they were good at, with 'slick' Tom fronting it.
Their goal (as with many asset-strippers) was to increase the value and sell the parts for more than the whole of the entity itself. Nothing wrong with that but but certainly not as 'saintly' as you seem to think.
You say they kept ST prices the same. Do you remember the furore when they 're-categorised' thousand of seats? No 'price increase' just a more expensive price band - 'to reflect the view' those seats enjoyed compared to similar ones
Do you also remember the massive increase they imposed on Disable Supporters? Eddie (OOE) was utterly enraged by this and had many meetings with the club. To no avail.
They appointed Clough too, because it was a sentimental appointment, on his name alone, and because he was cheap. I certainly don't remember us being anywhere nearer the PL under him! I certainly don't remember them 'throwing money' at anything.
Do you also think Mel has already shot all of our financial bolt on the signings and contracts we currently have?? I certainly don't think for one minute he is that naive or stupid. Neither is our Financial Director (who came from Chelsea).
In this regard, I've mentioned to you you before about 'creative accountancy'. (The Chelsea man will know a thing or two about this!). At our financial year end (or even bi-annually) who do you think values the club's 'stock' (ie players)? Who do you think is able to depreciate these 'assets' and adjust our accounts accordingly taking depreciation into account? They are pretty much the judge and the jury. What do you think George Thorne's value is now or Nick Blackman? I'm no accountant but there are many, many ways of 'cooking the books' in our favour and being 'creative'.
I don't think we should take Mel for an 'idiot' as you suggest. I would bet a massive part of his success to date is a result of good business acumen (DCFC is a business also) and clever accountancy.
Just saying
Griff, will you keep your eyes and ears on Gerry Adam's health. I don't think the population could take another heartbreaking death.
Baz,Tbf I can't argue with what your saying. GSE spent a lot when we were relegated from the prem in an afford to get straight back up and it back fired.
When I said nearer to the prem. I was talking about finishing 3rd in the league, getting to the final and then a place 1 point out of the play offs.
I'm hoping Mel can turn it round but the worry for me is that everything Andy Appleby told me will happen near enough as come true. The club needs stability more than ever before. Just hope Mel brings that because in his 2 years he's put the club back 4 years
"Just hope Mel brings that because in his 2 years he's put the club back 4 years"
Great: just another two years to go then and we'll be back in the Prem
Mel's biggest issue is no one has listened to the brief.
He has said time and again that there is no time frame. He has said he wants the academy to be used not played lip service to but as a genuine source for players. He wants to see progress within that brief so if Rowett was listening he will be given time if he perseveres with trying to bring the youth through. It was good to see Bennett on the bench which I suspect means the end of Bent.
The fans show great patience with the kids when they are brought in as we all want them to succeed. We still look at how Huddleston is doing and looked on with pride as Hendrick lit up the Euros.
This is Mels version of the Derby Way. We have a top grade academy.
We are top to bottom ready to become a self licking lollipop all we need is the right man to take the wrapper off. I think that man is Rowett I think Rowett has the balls the play the kids and think I Mel wants it and I think we want it.
comment by RRthedrum (U7933)
posted 9 hours, 23 minutes ago
Reading your post it seems our paths cross again. We ave an owner who isn't "football" is answer is to bring in a D.O.F. to make the "football" decisions. However our D.O.F. is incompetent so we're back to square one. Oh, back to the days when managers managed and the owners knew the game rather than chasing the money.
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posted on 21/3/17
Rubbish, you can't include Wassall & Powell just to suit the argument.
We've sacked 4 managers in 3 and a half seasons, not great, but not 6 in 18 months.
posted on 21/3/17
Reading your post it seems our paths cross again. We ave an owner who isn't "football" is answer is to bring in a D.O.F. to make the "football" decisions. However our D.O.F. is incompetent so we're back to square one. Oh, back to the days when managers managed and the owners knew the game rather than chasing the money.
posted on 21/3/17
Better this than the Americans, going nowhere with substandard players
At least Morris is attempting to take the club forward even though it hasn't worked as yet
Although I didnt agree with the McClaren sacking I can see why and when he did it
Rowett gets a good luck at the club for the rest of this season and pre season and see no reason why in that time he shouldnt hit the ground running come August
posted on 21/3/17
Today marks what would have been Sir Brian's 82nd birthday.
In other news, this article's crap.
Uncle Mel has made mistakes, not least of which has been allowing Player Power to manifest which, allayed to crowd discontent around Pearson's intransigence, made that parting of the ways almost inevitable. McClaren was always on a hiding to nothing, coming back with his tail between his legs to Mel, fans, and players alike, and his continuing reliance on the old guard despite their patent and continued failings coupled with a declaration that he was putting the band back together for next season meant he too had to go. He sacked himself first time around.
With Clement rumoured to be running amok in the background (rumoured to be why he turned down the England assistant manager role when Big Sam offered it to him) then he too was a forced-hand decision.
We've ended up with what appears to be a pragmatic manager, and hopefully one who will put the club above everything else. I expect a huge squad churn over the next few windows, and better things in the future.
#IwasKnowsNowt #CB4 #SaveDru
posted on 21/3/17
The Americans, usually "front wheel skids" ain't got a clue. No money, no interest. Don't you just ate "sky t.v.".
posted on 21/3/17
Dru - you've still not found the "H" button yet then but I agree with youtr point
Marco - fair point to a degree!
McClarens quote, not mine but, between May 2016 and November 2017 we had:-
McClaren, Clement, Wassall, Pearson, McClaren again (not including Powell)
Wassall had more games than Pearson! So, 5 in 18 months. We cant expect Schteve to be accurate!
666 - is it crap? You admit "Uncle Mel has made mistakes" yet blame them all on the managers. I'm suggesting that the blame lies with Mel either for employing them in the first place or not allowing them to do the job properly.
Bush - "Better this than the Americans, going nowhere with substandard players" yet here we are, still mid table in the 2nd division (going nowhere) and now with a bunch of ludicrously overpaid sub standard players and absolutely no effing team spirit that I can see!
posted on 21/3/17
Peeder:
Do you suppose every venture Uncle Mel has ever invested in demonstrated a return..? Of course not, but he's not just a 'lucky' businessman, he's shrewd and he would have learned something from each and every 'failure' along the way. They say that the man who never failed never tried, or some such crap, but the fact that Mel knows how many managers he's employed yet still is prepared to make changes when he deems them necessary shows the courage of his conviction rather than a frivolous disregard for the club.
Don't make the schoolboy error of confusing responsibility with accountability; there's been some absolutely ridiculous failings on the playing side and yes, they were the errors of his appointed managers/coaches/Chris Evans' but they should be viewed for what they were; serious attempts by the man with the money to better the club. He's not foist players on the coaches like Earnshaw onto Davies, he's trusted the encumbents' judgement to fulfill their roles. When the failed, he acted; can't ask for much more than that from a chairman.
#PeederKnowsNowt #WGT2018 #InMelWeTrust
posted on 21/3/17
I'm inclined to agree with 666 on this one.
I'm very, very sorry. I can pretty much guarantee it won't happen again.
posted on 21/3/17
comment by Peeder - are happy days here again? (U1684)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Marco - fair point to a degree!
McClarens quote, not mine but, between May 2016 and November 2017 we had:-
McClaren, Clement, Wassall, Pearson, McClaren again (not including Powell)
Wassall had more games than Pearson! So, 5 in 18 months. We cant expect Schteve to be accurate!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Even that stat is skewed to suit the argument though, counting McClaren #1 as a sacking but not counting his total time in charge in the timeline is misleading.
I could just as easily say in 18 months minus 1 day, we've had 3 permanent managers - Clement, Pearson & McClaren #2
posted on 21/3/17
666
The quote is 'He who never made any mistakes - never made anything', I believe.
Mel has made massive successes (and fortunes) from several businesses, not just one.
Did these happen overnight? Do you think he made any mistakes along the way? Sacked anyone before for not getting results etc etc... ?
He says himself he just keeps going and going until he succeeds. Commendable attitude.
I can't believe some fans, seriously. Who would they prefer: Maxwell, 3 Amigos, GSE, Fawaz FFS?
posted on 21/3/17
666 - showing the courage of your convictions can also mean sticking with your decisions rather than chopping and changing at the slightest whim.
What we have seen from Mel is the ability to pick the wrong man for the job at least 4 times in the last couple of years.
As we are throwing around silly quotes ... "To lose one parent, Mr Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness."
So, how about 4/5? Rank incompetence ??
Don't get me wrong - I want Mel to get it right, bu8t as it stands, he has thrown away millions of his money on failed managers and failing players.
The main difference between responsibility and accountability is that responsibility can be shared while accountability cannot.
Being accountable not only means being responsible for something but also ultimately being answerable for your actions. So, which do you think he is, and does it really matter?
There has been very little so far to suggest he has learned anything from the errors he has made.
posted on 21/3/17
comment by RamsfanBaz.🐑 Since I was young 🐑 (U2480)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
666
The quote is 'He who never made any mistakes - never made anything', I believe.
Mel has made massive successes (and fortunes) from several businesses, not just one.
Did these happen overnight? Do you think he made any mistakes along the way? Sacked anyone before for not getting results etc etc... ?
He says himself he just keeps going and going until he succeeds. Commendable attitude.
I can't believe some fans, seriously. Who would they prefer: Maxwell, 3 Amigos, GSE, Fawaz FFS?
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Baz, when this idiot of a chairman stops making this club a joke I will have more time for him. I didn't mind GSE to much. They never threatened the future of the club by overspending which every owner I have seen at Derby before in my time following the club did. GSE tried to throw money at it at the beginning but then
Had the task of trying to turn the club round after the mess of the 3 amigos and then Gadsby and co. GSE to their credit never got us on the verge of FFP and ran the club on a budget but kept season ticket prices down. A few days after Andy Appleby stepped down as Chairman when Mel took over I had a good chat with him over at a friends house in the states. He warned me that Mel Mortis could be dangerous for the club. He doesn't want a board what's to run it by himself and isn't worried by FFP. 2 years later we are further away from the prem than GSE left us. And most of the things I was warned about have come true. No stability, massive wage bill on players who are here just for the money and don't care about the club or fans. Andy told me he wouldn't surprised if Morris made himself manager. Great business man yes. But football club owner and chairman well from his 1st 2 years I wouldn't say he is. Let's hope Rowett is given time. It wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if Rowett is sacked before Christmas. I remember going to the 1st game of the season and I said to my dad Pearsons got until Oct to be top of the league otherwise he will be gone. He said I was daft, daft? Totally! But spot on.
posted on 21/3/17
On a good news front.
Martin McGuiness has gone to hell
posted on 21/3/17
I'm agreeing with 666 and Baz on this. We are lucky to have a man like Mel running the club. Plenty of other owners start asset stripping their clubs, ours invests heavily and backs his managers.
Mac1 sacked himself with the Geordie stuff. Clement sacked himself with his alleged shenanigans and let's not forget Pearson was a popular choice when he was employed. Mel was right to sack Pearson when it was obvious that we were heading for relegation, but I think he was wrong to sign Mac2. He corrected his mistake and has employed a good man.
We should stop criticising Mel and hope things start to gel and the team starts moving in the right direction.
posted on 21/3/17
Griff, I'm with you on your second post. Norman Tebbett said what I was thinking today.
posted on 21/3/17
It said he died peacefully with his family with him. It a shame he didn't allow his innocent victims that privilege
posted on 21/3/17
"..slightest whim.."
#NoneSoBlind
posted on 21/3/17
Griff, GSE merely asset-stripped and tried to maximise every commercial revenue.The first thing they did was sell-off the entire catering rights of the stadium to Delaware North (reputedly £10M deal). Then they tried sell the naming the rights to the stadium. Maximising every commercial revenue was what they were good at, with 'slick' Tom fronting it.
Their goal (as with many asset-strippers) was to increase the value and sell the parts for more than the whole of the entity itself. Nothing wrong with that but but certainly not as 'saintly' as you seem to think.
You say they kept ST prices the same. Do you remember the furore when they 're-categorised' thousand of seats? No 'price increase' just a more expensive price band - 'to reflect the view' those seats enjoyed compared to similar ones
Do you also remember the massive increase they imposed on Disable Supporters? Eddie (OOE) was utterly enraged by this and had many meetings with the club. To no avail.
They appointed Clough too, because it was a sentimental appointment, on his name alone, and because he was cheap. I certainly don't remember us being anywhere nearer the PL under him! I certainly don't remember them 'throwing money' at anything.
Do you also think Mel has already shot all of our financial bolt on the signings and contracts we currently have?? I certainly don't think for one minute he is that naive or stupid. Neither is our Financial Director (who came from Chelsea).
In this regard, I've mentioned to you you before about 'creative accountancy'. (The Chelsea man will know a thing or two about this!). At our financial year end (or even bi-annually) who do you think values the club's 'stock' (ie players)? Who do you think is able to depreciate these 'assets' and adjust our accounts accordingly taking depreciation into account? They are pretty much the judge and the jury. What do you think George Thorne's value is now or Nick Blackman? I'm no accountant but there are many, many ways of 'cooking the books' in our favour and being 'creative'.
I don't think we should take Mel for an 'idiot' as you suggest. I would bet a massive part of his success to date is a result of good business acumen (DCFC is a business also) and clever accountancy.
Just saying
posted on 21/3/17
Griff, will you keep your eyes and ears on Gerry Adam's health. I don't think the population could take another heartbreaking death.
posted on 21/3/17
Baz,Tbf I can't argue with what your saying. GSE spent a lot when we were relegated from the prem in an afford to get straight back up and it back fired.
When I said nearer to the prem. I was talking about finishing 3rd in the league, getting to the final and then a place 1 point out of the play offs.
I'm hoping Mel can turn it round but the worry for me is that everything Andy Appleby told me will happen near enough as come true. The club needs stability more than ever before. Just hope Mel brings that because in his 2 years he's put the club back 4 years
posted on 21/3/17
UTR
posted on 21/3/17
"Just hope Mel brings that because in his 2 years he's put the club back 4 years"
Great: just another two years to go then and we'll be back in the Prem
posted on 21/3/17
Mel's biggest issue is no one has listened to the brief.
He has said time and again that there is no time frame. He has said he wants the academy to be used not played lip service to but as a genuine source for players. He wants to see progress within that brief so if Rowett was listening he will be given time if he perseveres with trying to bring the youth through. It was good to see Bennett on the bench which I suspect means the end of Bent.
The fans show great patience with the kids when they are brought in as we all want them to succeed. We still look at how Huddleston is doing and looked on with pride as Hendrick lit up the Euros.
This is Mels version of the Derby Way. We have a top grade academy.
We are top to bottom ready to become a self licking lollipop all we need is the right man to take the wrapper off. I think that man is Rowett I think Rowett has the balls the play the kids and think I Mel wants it and I think we want it.
posted on 21/3/17
comment by RRthedrum (U7933)
posted 9 hours, 23 minutes ago
Reading your post it seems our paths cross again. We ave an owner who isn't "football" is answer is to bring in a D.O.F. to make the "football" decisions. However our D.O.F. is incompetent so we're back to square one. Oh, back to the days when managers managed and the owners knew the game rather than chasing the money.
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I stopped at ave
posted on 21/3/17
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1. No I wasn't.
2 Peeder knows nowt.
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