No mixed responsibility, you're 100% right when you say the individual is responsible. He commited the acts that landed him in jail, he hated himself so much he allowed himself to be seduced by a fellow inmate (another criminal) he committed the act of mass murder.
The authorities, like you, obviously assumed a 52 year old man wouldn't be an issue, that he'd have a degree of maturity and intelligence...how wrong they where.
How do you control home grown preachers? It's up to Muslims themselves to control and ostracize them, they won't spout their twisted logic publically so non-Muslims can't.
How do you control home grown preachers? It's up to Muslims themselves to control and ostracize them, they won't spout their twisted logic publically so non-Muslims can't.
_________________
That's just wrong. Why as a Muslim are you holiding me accountable or giving me the responsibility of policing 1.6 billion people in the world? How do I control these preachers? It's the job of the intelligence services. The nutters are all from the wahabbi sect and represent about 2/3 % of Muslims. The police, government authorities know exactly who they are....
our government is pally with the Saudis and currently arming them to kill thousands of innocent Yemen folk... so they don't have the blls to stand up to them - mo RY, profit, greed and power rules at the expense of innocent people
I know that I can't go into a mosque or a madrasa so yes, I abdicate responsibility to every Muslim to report these hate preachers to the authorities.
These people are messing with your Faith, you have more to lose, as a fellow Brit, than me. Your just as likely to be caught up in their violence as I am with the added extra of having to deal with the racists and islamaphobes as well.
We've all got to do our bit, as a non-Muslim i'll shout down the islamic haters but british muslims have to do their bit and stand up against these preachers. If wahabbist don't break the law there is Fk all the authorities can do, you can't always abdicate responsibility.
Obviously we don't live in an ideal world but if we don't fight together, they win.
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 49 minutes ago
LQ
Is English not your first language?
terror
ˈtɛrə/
noun
1.
extreme fear.
"people fled in terror"
synonyms: extreme fear, dread, horror, fear and trembling, fright, trepidation, alarm, panic, shock; informalfunk
If someone stabbed you in the face would you experience any of those things above? 99% would. I think it's pointless arguing or engaging with you if your level of English is very basic. Back to school kid.
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It's you that is struggling with the basics. To use that term literally is as simple minded as it gets. Terror is not the same as terrorism. The easiest way to classify a crime is to see how the police categorise it. The London attack was terrorism, his previous acts were violent crime. It's all about the background and circumstances around the individual events.
If we went by your literal theory, we would be having hundreds of terrorism attacks every single day.
So I would suggest it is you that needs the educating....
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I think you need to get of his back, his Faith is under attack again, he's a bit sensitive and going by some of the comments on this thread you cant blame him or the other muslims. Cut them a bit of slack.
Don't get it. Wahabbism is world wide, terrorism in this format is world wide. It's spread by the elite. They arm and aid groups for their political aims and then throw them away once those aims have been done with... we supported saddam once, we supported osama once... when our objectives were achieved we threw the dummy out and labelled them terrorist... I'll repeat - Wahhabis are 90% funded by Saudi. Saudi has the uk and west full support. Games being played for money power and positions. Religion used as an excuse
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 12 minutes ago
How do you control home grown preachers? It's up to Muslims themselves to control and ostracize them, they won't spout their twisted logic publically so non-Muslims can't.
_________________
That's just wrong. Why as a Muslim are you holiding me accountable or giving me the responsibility of policing 1.6 billion people in the world? How do I control these preachers? It's the job of the intelligence services. The nutters are all from the wahabbi sect and represent about 2/3 % of Muslims. The police, government authorities know exactly who they are....
our government is pally with the Saudis and currently arming them to kill thousands of innocent Yemen folk... so they don't have the blls to stand up to them - mo RY, profit, greed and power rules at the expense of innocent people
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Why don't you assign blame where it lies.
The preachers teaching radicalised Islam to people and turning them into nutters.
The fact you won't even fully entertain the idea of where the blame lies really is the biggest problem.
Pretend it's not happening, blame the west blame the right wing but never ever blame the Islamic preachers perverting the religion you claim to love.
When the edl match there's usualy a counter match to stop them spreading hate.
When Tony Blair took us into an illegal war his war over 1 million people marched through London.
When another lunatic commits an act of terror in the name of your religion what do you do.
Blame us.
Time for you to wake up and admit it's not us perverting Islam and being responsible for its demonisation.
Afridi
Divide and rule, the oldest population control trick in the book.
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think you need to get of his back, his Faith is under attack again, he's a bit sensitive and going by some of the comments on this thread you cant blame him or the other muslims. Cut them a bit of slack.
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Oh come on, it works both ways. He's accused anyone who disagrees with him as attacking Muslims en masse, when at worse, one person has done so.
What you say is part of the problem, that anything said against a 'touchy' subject is unfair and taboo. Things cannot improve without facing up to issues. Burying our heads in the sand will help no one.
"Blame us"..... who is us? Adrian is British born and bred. Talk about denial. "Adrian Elms" doesn't really sound like the kind of name that's going to have Britain First / LQ jizzing themselves with xenophobic joy.... so now it's "us" vs "you".....
LQ - seriously, is English your first language?
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 25 seconds ago
Don't get it. Wahabbism is world wide, terrorism in this format is world wide. It's spread by the elite. They arm and aid groups for their political aims and then throw them away once those aims have been done with... we supported saddam once, we supported osama once... when our objectives were achieved we threw the dummy out and labelled them terrorist... I'll repeat - Wahhabis are 90% funded by Saudi. Saudi has the uk and west full support. Games being played for money power and positions. Religion used as an excuse
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the 9/11 attacks were commited by a majority of saudis if im correct yet saudi remained untouched and has remained untouched for decades. they're leaving saudi till the last in my opinion. i believe that the west's plan to divide and conquer the middle east is the fault of the muslim countries who cannot unite together. as they drop their knickers for money instead of becoming a united region. george galloway said this and i fully agree with him. the west are partly to blame for the mess that is in the middle east but the majority of the blame id put on the corrupt leaders in the middle east
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 33 seconds ago
Don't get it. Wahabbism is world wide, terrorism in this format is world wide. It's spread by the elite. They arm and aid groups for their political aims and then throw them away once those aims have been done with... we supported saddam once, we supported osama once... when our objectives were achieved we threw the dummy out and labelled them terrorist... I'll repeat - Wahhabis are 90% funded by Saudi. Saudi has the uk and west full support. Games being played for money power and positions. Religion used as an excuse
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What are the objectives?
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Are you asking me for a history lesson on when we supported Osama and saddam or you denying that was the case? If so, correct me
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 25 seconds ago
Don't get it. Wahabbism is world wide, terrorism in this format is world wide. It's spread by the elite. They arm and aid groups for their political aims and then throw them away once those aims have been done with... we supported saddam once, we supported osama once... when our objectives were achieved we threw the dummy out and labelled them terrorist... I'll repeat - Wahhabis are 90% funded by Saudi. Saudi has the uk and west full support. Games being played for money power and positions. Religion used as an excuse
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the 9/11 attacks were commited by a majority of saudis if im correct yet saudi remained untouched and has remained untouched for decades. they're leaving saudi till the last in my opinion. i believe that the west's plan to divide and conquer the middle east is the fault of the muslim countries who cannot unite together. as they drop their knickers for money instead of becoming a united region. george galloway said this and i fully agree with him. the west are partly to blame for the mess that is in the middle east but the majority of the blame id put on the corrupt leaders in the middle east
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Completely agree the so called Muslim leaders are as corrupt as the western leaders - all for power greed resources.. maybe Indonesia and Malaysia apart the rest of the Muslim countries are an absolute disgrace and are partly the cause of the problems we see today
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think you need to get of his back, his Faith is under attack again, he's a bit sensitive and going by some of the comments on this thread you cant blame him or the other muslims. Cut them a bit of slack.
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Oh come on, it works both ways. He's accused anyone who disagrees with him as attacking Muslims en masse, when at worse, one person has done so.
What you say is part of the problem, that anything said against a 'touchy' subject is unfair and taboo. Things cannot improve without facing up to issues. Burying our heads in the sand will help no one.
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Youve called me all sorts of names for pointing out Liverpool's flaws, a football team, you're sensitive as well.
Try asking mature questions and taking the answers in context rather than wetting your pants at a few words you take offence at.
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think you need to get of his back, his Faith is under attack again, he's a bit sensitive and going by some of the comments on this thread you cant blame him or the other muslims. Cut them a bit of slack.
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Oh come on, it works both ways. He's accused anyone who disagrees with him as attacking Muslims en masse, when at worse, one person has done so.
What you say is part of the problem, that anything said against a 'touchy' subject is unfair and taboo. Things cannot improve without facing up to issues. Burying our heads in the sand will help no one.
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Youve called me all sorts of names for pointing out Liverpool's flaws, a football team, you're sensitive as well.
Try asking mature questions and taking the answers in context rather than wetting your pants at a few words you take offence at.
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Terminator is delusional... I've gone easy on him since yesterday, seems to be pre-occupied with fitting narrative to suit his own views... never gives any opinion based on factual accuracy.. he ought to visit his gp.
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 33 seconds ago
Don't get it. Wahabbism is world wide, terrorism in this format is world wide. It's spread by the elite. They arm and aid groups for their political aims and then throw them away once those aims have been done with... we supported saddam once, we supported osama once... when our objectives were achieved we threw the dummy out and labelled them terrorist... I'll repeat - Wahhabis are 90% funded by Saudi. Saudi has the uk and west full support. Games being played for money power and positions. Religion used as an excuse
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What are the objectives?
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Are you asking me for a history lesson on when we supported Osama and saddam or you denying that was the case? If so, correct me
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No. I know countries and people change alliances all the time. I'm asking what did the UK, USA want out of it. What were their objectives? Why did they do it?
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In the case of saddam and others - profit, greed, oil and resources....
U.K. brief recommended that the best way to avoid public condemnation but to still make money from Iraq was to sell only non-lethal equipment but to “define this narrowly”.
“Contracts worth over £150m have been concluded [with Iraq] in the last six months including one for £34m (for armoured recovery vehicles through Jordan),” writes Thomas Trenchard, a junior minister, in a secret letter to Mrs Thatcher in March 1981.
The letter also says that a meeting with Saddam Hussein “represent a significant step forward in establishing a working relationship with Iraq which ... should produce both political and major commercial benefits”.
Seriously though, Adrian Elms, 52 year old, born in Kent, age and location same as Nigel Farage. Is it Kent that produces extremists?
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think you need to get of his back, his Faith is under attack again, he's a bit sensitive and going by some of the comments on this thread you cant blame him or the other muslims. Cut them a bit of slack.
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Oh come on, it works both ways. He's accused anyone who disagrees with him as attacking Muslims en masse, when at worse, one person has done so.
What you say is part of the problem, that anything said against a 'touchy' subject is unfair and taboo. Things cannot improve without facing up to issues. Burying our heads in the sand will help no one.
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Youve called me all sorts of names for pointing out Liverpool's flaws, a football team, you're sensitive as well.
Try asking mature questions and taking the answers in context rather than wetting your pants at a few words you take offence at.
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And there you go, unable to separate your childish football 'banter' from a more serious subject. I gave you a perfectly sensible response to your comment and you reply with this.
I've always known you to be an immature idiot, now you've confirmed it beyond any doubt.
term you cant have sensible debate either, you waltz in and start calling people idiots etc. soften your tone too.
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Can I ask how five know he was out in a terrorism mission or just out to commit criminal activity and violence?
Looking at his background going around stabbing people was not exactly new to him
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posted on 24/3/17
No mixed responsibility, you're 100% right when you say the individual is responsible. He commited the acts that landed him in jail, he hated himself so much he allowed himself to be seduced by a fellow inmate (another criminal) he committed the act of mass murder.
The authorities, like you, obviously assumed a 52 year old man wouldn't be an issue, that he'd have a degree of maturity and intelligence...how wrong they where.
How do you control home grown preachers? It's up to Muslims themselves to control and ostracize them, they won't spout their twisted logic publically so non-Muslims can't.
posted on 24/3/17
How do you control home grown preachers? It's up to Muslims themselves to control and ostracize them, they won't spout their twisted logic publically so non-Muslims can't.
_________________
That's just wrong. Why as a Muslim are you holiding me accountable or giving me the responsibility of policing 1.6 billion people in the world? How do I control these preachers? It's the job of the intelligence services. The nutters are all from the wahabbi sect and represent about 2/3 % of Muslims. The police, government authorities know exactly who they are....
our government is pally with the Saudis and currently arming them to kill thousands of innocent Yemen folk... so they don't have the blls to stand up to them - mo RY, profit, greed and power rules at the expense of innocent people
posted on 24/3/17
I know that I can't go into a mosque or a madrasa so yes, I abdicate responsibility to every Muslim to report these hate preachers to the authorities.
These people are messing with your Faith, you have more to lose, as a fellow Brit, than me. Your just as likely to be caught up in their violence as I am with the added extra of having to deal with the racists and islamaphobes as well.
We've all got to do our bit, as a non-Muslim i'll shout down the islamic haters but british muslims have to do their bit and stand up against these preachers. If wahabbist don't break the law there is Fk all the authorities can do, you can't always abdicate responsibility.
Obviously we don't live in an ideal world but if we don't fight together, they win.
posted on 24/3/17
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 49 minutes ago
LQ
Is English not your first language?
terror
ˈtɛrə/
noun
1.
extreme fear.
"people fled in terror"
synonyms: extreme fear, dread, horror, fear and trembling, fright, trepidation, alarm, panic, shock; informalfunk
If someone stabbed you in the face would you experience any of those things above? 99% would. I think it's pointless arguing or engaging with you if your level of English is very basic. Back to school kid.
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It's you that is struggling with the basics. To use that term literally is as simple minded as it gets. Terror is not the same as terrorism. The easiest way to classify a crime is to see how the police categorise it. The London attack was terrorism, his previous acts were violent crime. It's all about the background and circumstances around the individual events.
If we went by your literal theory, we would be having hundreds of terrorism attacks every single day.
So I would suggest it is you that needs the educating....
posted on 24/3/17
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posted on 24/3/17
I think you need to get of his back, his Faith is under attack again, he's a bit sensitive and going by some of the comments on this thread you cant blame him or the other muslims. Cut them a bit of slack.
posted on 24/3/17
Don't get it. Wahabbism is world wide, terrorism in this format is world wide. It's spread by the elite. They arm and aid groups for their political aims and then throw them away once those aims have been done with... we supported saddam once, we supported osama once... when our objectives were achieved we threw the dummy out and labelled them terrorist... I'll repeat - Wahhabis are 90% funded by Saudi. Saudi has the uk and west full support. Games being played for money power and positions. Religion used as an excuse
posted on 24/3/17
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 12 minutes ago
How do you control home grown preachers? It's up to Muslims themselves to control and ostracize them, they won't spout their twisted logic publically so non-Muslims can't.
_________________
That's just wrong. Why as a Muslim are you holiding me accountable or giving me the responsibility of policing 1.6 billion people in the world? How do I control these preachers? It's the job of the intelligence services. The nutters are all from the wahabbi sect and represent about 2/3 % of Muslims. The police, government authorities know exactly who they are....
our government is pally with the Saudis and currently arming them to kill thousands of innocent Yemen folk... so they don't have the blls to stand up to them - mo RY, profit, greed and power rules at the expense of innocent people
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Why don't you assign blame where it lies.
The preachers teaching radicalised Islam to people and turning them into nutters.
The fact you won't even fully entertain the idea of where the blame lies really is the biggest problem.
Pretend it's not happening, blame the west blame the right wing but never ever blame the Islamic preachers perverting the religion you claim to love.
When the edl match there's usualy a counter match to stop them spreading hate.
When Tony Blair took us into an illegal war his war over 1 million people marched through London.
When another lunatic commits an act of terror in the name of your religion what do you do.
Blame us.
Time for you to wake up and admit it's not us perverting Islam and being responsible for its demonisation.
posted on 24/3/17
Afridi
Divide and rule, the oldest population control trick in the book.
posted on 24/3/17
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posted on 24/3/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think you need to get of his back, his Faith is under attack again, he's a bit sensitive and going by some of the comments on this thread you cant blame him or the other muslims. Cut them a bit of slack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on, it works both ways. He's accused anyone who disagrees with him as attacking Muslims en masse, when at worse, one person has done so.
What you say is part of the problem, that anything said against a 'touchy' subject is unfair and taboo. Things cannot improve without facing up to issues. Burying our heads in the sand will help no one.
posted on 24/3/17
"Blame us"..... who is us? Adrian is British born and bred. Talk about denial. "Adrian Elms" doesn't really sound like the kind of name that's going to have Britain First / LQ jizzing themselves with xenophobic joy.... so now it's "us" vs "you".....
LQ - seriously, is English your first language?
posted on 24/3/17
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 25 seconds ago
Don't get it. Wahabbism is world wide, terrorism in this format is world wide. It's spread by the elite. They arm and aid groups for their political aims and then throw them away once those aims have been done with... we supported saddam once, we supported osama once... when our objectives were achieved we threw the dummy out and labelled them terrorist... I'll repeat - Wahhabis are 90% funded by Saudi. Saudi has the uk and west full support. Games being played for money power and positions. Religion used as an excuse
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the 9/11 attacks were commited by a majority of saudis if im correct yet saudi remained untouched and has remained untouched for decades. they're leaving saudi till the last in my opinion. i believe that the west's plan to divide and conquer the middle east is the fault of the muslim countries who cannot unite together. as they drop their knickers for money instead of becoming a united region. george galloway said this and i fully agree with him. the west are partly to blame for the mess that is in the middle east but the majority of the blame id put on the corrupt leaders in the middle east
posted on 24/3/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 33 seconds ago
Don't get it. Wahabbism is world wide, terrorism in this format is world wide. It's spread by the elite. They arm and aid groups for their political aims and then throw them away once those aims have been done with... we supported saddam once, we supported osama once... when our objectives were achieved we threw the dummy out and labelled them terrorist... I'll repeat - Wahhabis are 90% funded by Saudi. Saudi has the uk and west full support. Games being played for money power and positions. Religion used as an excuse
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What are the objectives?
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Are you asking me for a history lesson on when we supported Osama and saddam or you denying that was the case? If so, correct me
posted on 24/3/17
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 25 seconds ago
Don't get it. Wahabbism is world wide, terrorism in this format is world wide. It's spread by the elite. They arm and aid groups for their political aims and then throw them away once those aims have been done with... we supported saddam once, we supported osama once... when our objectives were achieved we threw the dummy out and labelled them terrorist... I'll repeat - Wahhabis are 90% funded by Saudi. Saudi has the uk and west full support. Games being played for money power and positions. Religion used as an excuse
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the 9/11 attacks were commited by a majority of saudis if im correct yet saudi remained untouched and has remained untouched for decades. they're leaving saudi till the last in my opinion. i believe that the west's plan to divide and conquer the middle east is the fault of the muslim countries who cannot unite together. as they drop their knickers for money instead of becoming a united region. george galloway said this and i fully agree with him. the west are partly to blame for the mess that is in the middle east but the majority of the blame id put on the corrupt leaders in the middle east
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Completely agree the so called Muslim leaders are as corrupt as the western leaders - all for power greed resources.. maybe Indonesia and Malaysia apart the rest of the Muslim countries are an absolute disgrace and are partly the cause of the problems we see today
posted on 24/3/17
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think you need to get of his back, his Faith is under attack again, he's a bit sensitive and going by some of the comments on this thread you cant blame him or the other muslims. Cut them a bit of slack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on, it works both ways. He's accused anyone who disagrees with him as attacking Muslims en masse, when at worse, one person has done so.
What you say is part of the problem, that anything said against a 'touchy' subject is unfair and taboo. Things cannot improve without facing up to issues. Burying our heads in the sand will help no one.
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Youve called me all sorts of names for pointing out Liverpool's flaws, a football team, you're sensitive as well.
Try asking mature questions and taking the answers in context rather than wetting your pants at a few words you take offence at.
posted on 24/3/17
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posted on 24/3/17
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posted on 24/3/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think you need to get of his back, his Faith is under attack again, he's a bit sensitive and going by some of the comments on this thread you cant blame him or the other muslims. Cut them a bit of slack.
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Oh come on, it works both ways. He's accused anyone who disagrees with him as attacking Muslims en masse, when at worse, one person has done so.
What you say is part of the problem, that anything said against a 'touchy' subject is unfair and taboo. Things cannot improve without facing up to issues. Burying our heads in the sand will help no one.
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Youve called me all sorts of names for pointing out Liverpool's flaws, a football team, you're sensitive as well.
Try asking mature questions and taking the answers in context rather than wetting your pants at a few words you take offence at.
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Terminator is delusional... I've gone easy on him since yesterday, seems to be pre-occupied with fitting narrative to suit his own views... never gives any opinion based on factual accuracy.. he ought to visit his gp.
posted on 24/3/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 33 seconds ago
Don't get it. Wahabbism is world wide, terrorism in this format is world wide. It's spread by the elite. They arm and aid groups for their political aims and then throw them away once those aims have been done with... we supported saddam once, we supported osama once... when our objectives were achieved we threw the dummy out and labelled them terrorist... I'll repeat - Wahhabis are 90% funded by Saudi. Saudi has the uk and west full support. Games being played for money power and positions. Religion used as an excuse
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What are the objectives?
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Are you asking me for a history lesson on when we supported Osama and saddam or you denying that was the case? If so, correct me
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No. I know countries and people change alliances all the time. I'm asking what did the UK, USA want out of it. What were their objectives? Why did they do it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the case of saddam and others - profit, greed, oil and resources....
U.K. brief recommended that the best way to avoid public condemnation but to still make money from Iraq was to sell only non-lethal equipment but to “define this narrowly”.
“Contracts worth over £150m have been concluded [with Iraq] in the last six months including one for £34m (for armoured recovery vehicles through Jordan),” writes Thomas Trenchard, a junior minister, in a secret letter to Mrs Thatcher in March 1981.
The letter also says that a meeting with Saddam Hussein “represent a significant step forward in establishing a working relationship with Iraq which ... should produce both political and major commercial benefits”.
posted on 24/3/17
Seriously though, Adrian Elms, 52 year old, born in Kent, age and location same as Nigel Farage. Is it Kent that produces extremists?
posted on 24/3/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think you need to get of his back, his Faith is under attack again, he's a bit sensitive and going by some of the comments on this thread you cant blame him or the other muslims. Cut them a bit of slack.
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Oh come on, it works both ways. He's accused anyone who disagrees with him as attacking Muslims en masse, when at worse, one person has done so.
What you say is part of the problem, that anything said against a 'touchy' subject is unfair and taboo. Things cannot improve without facing up to issues. Burying our heads in the sand will help no one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Youve called me all sorts of names for pointing out Liverpool's flaws, a football team, you're sensitive as well.
Try asking mature questions and taking the answers in context rather than wetting your pants at a few words you take offence at.
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And there you go, unable to separate your childish football 'banter' from a more serious subject. I gave you a perfectly sensible response to your comment and you reply with this.
I've always known you to be an immature idiot, now you've confirmed it beyond any doubt.
posted on 24/3/17
term you cant have sensible debate either, you waltz in and start calling people idiots etc. soften your tone too.
posted on 24/3/17
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posted on 24/3/17
Can I ask how five know he was out in a terrorism mission or just out to commit criminal activity and violence?
Looking at his background going around stabbing people was not exactly new to him
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