comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
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It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
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Didn't stop conte. Or last years ranieri.
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Everyone knows by now that Pearson left behind the perfect conditions for Ranieri and that Shakespeare continued a lot of Pearson good work.
When Ranieri started trying to move away from that this season he came unstuck.
With Conte he took over a squad very much suited to his style. Counter attacking and who respond to a tough taskmaster.
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Didn't the Chelsea players revolt under their previous tough task master. Wasn't LVG a tough task master? LVG's brand of football isn't that different to Jose's brand of football. Sorry Robb, but it just seems like another attempt to deflect blame away from Jose.
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He's got a point, Robb.
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Plenty of people think that eventually Conte will fall out with the Chelsea players anyway. The circus with Eva ruined it for Jose at Chelsea
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
Elvis, you don't have to derail good debates just because you think the bogeyman is around every corner.
Unlike some I don't delete comments
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How is it derailing the discussion? You have stated your point and given an example of it. I don't agree with your point and think that your example is given as another attempt to excuse Jose's poor/average showing in the league.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
There is certainly a difference between LVG and Jose's football, but its not that big a difference. We were playing some nice football under Jose for a period and I was really enjoying being entertained again, but it didn't last for that long. At the moment the football is pretty low and turgid. Hopefully we get the fluidity back again, but at the moment its not great to watch.
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I just think the side is feeling the effects of competing in 4 tournaments. This time of the season every team is playing poorly. Scraping through games.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
Elvis, you don't have to derail good debates just because you think the bogeyman is around every corner.
Unlike some I don't delete comments
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How is it derailing the discussion? You have stated your point and given an example of it. I don't agree with your point and think that your example is given as another attempt to excuse Jose's poor/average showing in the league.
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Because your point adds nothing to the debate.
The debate is more about the need for a director of football as changing managers and each new manager spending hundreds of millions on new players for their style is unsustainable
You brought an allegation into this debate which has no place in it. I know I'm not trying to defend Jose. I just want you to know that too.
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
There is certainly a difference between LVG and Jose's football, but its not that big a difference. We were playing some nice football under Jose for a period and I was really enjoying being entertained again, but it didn't last for that long. At the moment the football is pretty low and turgid. Hopefully we get the fluidity back again, but at the moment its not great to watch.
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I just think the side is feeling the effects of competing in 4 tournaments. This time of the season every team is playing poorly. Scraping through games.
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That for me highlights the fact that Jose hasn't really rotated as well as he might. The lads that are coming in are rusty and short of confidence. Some of them could have been used better.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
There is certainly a difference between LVG and Jose's football, but its not that big a difference. We were playing some nice football under Jose for a period and I was really enjoying being entertained again, but it didn't last for that long. At the moment the football is pretty low and turgid. Hopefully we get the fluidity back again, but at the moment its not great to watch.
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I just think the side is feeling the effects of competing in 4 tournaments. This time of the season every team is playing poorly. Scraping through games.
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That for me highlights the fact that Jose hasn't really rotated as well as he might. The lads that are coming in are rusty and short of confidence. Some of them could have been used better.
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Martial has to take a lot of the blame.
He's hardly rusty, his record of just 3 goals in 982 league minutes is shocking
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
Elvis, you don't have to derail good debates just because you think the bogeyman is around every corner.
Unlike some I don't delete comments
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How is it derailing the discussion? You have stated your point and given an example of it. I don't agree with your point and think that your example is given as another attempt to excuse Jose's poor/average showing in the league.
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Because your point adds nothing to the debate.
The debate is more about the need for a director of football as changing managers and each new manager spending hundreds of millions on new players for their style is unsustainable
You brought an allegation into this debate which has no place in it. I know I'm not trying to defend Jose. I just want you to know
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How does a director of football change matters in terms of the signings? Does he identify players that are to be signed without input from the manager? If so, all of the players must be signed with a specific style of football in mind. In which case, the managers that we employ must also play a specific style of football. Does that not limit us in terms of our managerial options in the future? What if we are in need of a manager but there isn't a top level one available that suits our style of play/squad. Do we drop down a level in terms of the quality of the manager, or do we appoint one that plays a different brand of football and then let him transform the squad. I'm not really sure that it answers any questions.
For me the manager should identify his targets and then leave it to whoever to negotiate the deal. The manager should also be able to work with the players at his disposal and bend them to his vision. This won't of course work with every player and some will have to be moved on.b
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
Elvis, you don't have to derail good debates just because you think the bogeyman is around every corner.
Unlike some I don't delete comments
-----------------------------
How is it derailing the discussion? You have stated your point and given an example of it. I don't agree with your point and think that your example is given as another attempt to excuse Jose's poor/average showing in the league.
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Because your point adds nothing to the debate.
The debate is more about the need for a director of football as changing managers and each new manager spending hundreds of millions on new players for their style is unsustainable
You brought an allegation into this debate which has no place in it. I know I'm not trying to defend Jose. I just want you to know
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How does a director of football change matters in terms of the signings? Does he identify players that are to be signed without input from the manager? If so, all of the players must be signed with a specific style of football in mind. In which case, the managers that we employ must also play a specific style of football. Does that not limit us in terms of our managerial options in the future? What if we are in need of a manager but there isn't a top level one available that suits our style of play/squad. Do we drop down a level in terms of the quality of the manager, or do we appoint one that plays a different brand of football and then let him transform the squad. I'm not really sure that it answers any questions.
For me the manager should identify his targets and then leave it to whoever to negotiate the deal. The manager should also be able to work with the players at his disposal and bend them to his vision. This won't of course work with every player and some will have to be moved on.b
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posted on 3/4/17
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
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It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
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Didn't stop conte. Or last years ranieri.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everyone knows by now that Pearson left behind the perfect conditions for Ranieri and that Shakespeare continued a lot of Pearson good work.
When Ranieri started trying to move away from that this season he came unstuck.
With Conte he took over a squad very much suited to his style. Counter attacking and who respond to a tough taskmaster.
---------------------------
Didn't the Chelsea players revolt under their previous tough task master. Wasn't LVG a tough task master? LVG's brand of football isn't that different to Jose's brand of football. Sorry Robb, but it just seems like another attempt to deflect blame away from Jose.
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He's got a point, Robb.
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Plenty of people think that eventually Conte will fall out with the Chelsea players anyway. The circus with Eva ruined it for Jose at Chelsea
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
Elvis, you don't have to derail good debates just because you think the bogeyman is around every corner.
Unlike some I don't delete comments
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How is it derailing the discussion? You have stated your point and given an example of it. I don't agree with your point and think that your example is given as another attempt to excuse Jose's poor/average showing in the league.
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
There is certainly a difference between LVG and Jose's football, but its not that big a difference. We were playing some nice football under Jose for a period and I was really enjoying being entertained again, but it didn't last for that long. At the moment the football is pretty low and turgid. Hopefully we get the fluidity back again, but at the moment its not great to watch.
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I just think the side is feeling the effects of competing in 4 tournaments. This time of the season every team is playing poorly. Scraping through games.
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
Elvis, you don't have to derail good debates just because you think the bogeyman is around every corner.
Unlike some I don't delete comments
-----------------------------
How is it derailing the discussion? You have stated your point and given an example of it. I don't agree with your point and think that your example is given as another attempt to excuse Jose's poor/average showing in the league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because your point adds nothing to the debate.
The debate is more about the need for a director of football as changing managers and each new manager spending hundreds of millions on new players for their style is unsustainable
You brought an allegation into this debate which has no place in it. I know I'm not trying to defend Jose. I just want you to know that too.
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
There is certainly a difference between LVG and Jose's football, but its not that big a difference. We were playing some nice football under Jose for a period and I was really enjoying being entertained again, but it didn't last for that long. At the moment the football is pretty low and turgid. Hopefully we get the fluidity back again, but at the moment its not great to watch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I just think the side is feeling the effects of competing in 4 tournaments. This time of the season every team is playing poorly. Scraping through games.
--------------------
That for me highlights the fact that Jose hasn't really rotated as well as he might. The lads that are coming in are rusty and short of confidence. Some of them could have been used better.
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
There is certainly a difference between LVG and Jose's football, but its not that big a difference. We were playing some nice football under Jose for a period and I was really enjoying being entertained again, but it didn't last for that long. At the moment the football is pretty low and turgid. Hopefully we get the fluidity back again, but at the moment its not great to watch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I just think the side is feeling the effects of competing in 4 tournaments. This time of the season every team is playing poorly. Scraping through games.
--------------------
That for me highlights the fact that Jose hasn't really rotated as well as he might. The lads that are coming in are rusty and short of confidence. Some of them could have been used better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Martial has to take a lot of the blame.
He's hardly rusty, his record of just 3 goals in 982 league minutes is shocking
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
Elvis, you don't have to derail good debates just because you think the bogeyman is around every corner.
Unlike some I don't delete comments
-----------------------------
How is it derailing the discussion? You have stated your point and given an example of it. I don't agree with your point and think that your example is given as another attempt to excuse Jose's poor/average showing in the league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because your point adds nothing to the debate.
The debate is more about the need for a director of football as changing managers and each new manager spending hundreds of millions on new players for their style is unsustainable
You brought an allegation into this debate which has no place in it. I know I'm not trying to defend Jose. I just want you to know
---------------
How does a director of football change matters in terms of the signings? Does he identify players that are to be signed without input from the manager? If so, all of the players must be signed with a specific style of football in mind. In which case, the managers that we employ must also play a specific style of football. Does that not limit us in terms of our managerial options in the future? What if we are in need of a manager but there isn't a top level one available that suits our style of play/squad. Do we drop down a level in terms of the quality of the manager, or do we appoint one that plays a different brand of football and then let him transform the squad. I'm not really sure that it answers any questions.
For me the manager should identify his targets and then leave it to whoever to negotiate the deal. The manager should also be able to work with the players at his disposal and bend them to his vision. This won't of course work with every player and some will have to be moved on.b
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
Elvis, you don't have to derail good debates just because you think the bogeyman is around every corner.
Unlike some I don't delete comments
-----------------------------
How is it derailing the discussion? You have stated your point and given an example of it. I don't agree with your point and think that your example is given as another attempt to excuse Jose's poor/average showing in the league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because your point adds nothing to the debate.
The debate is more about the need for a director of football as changing managers and each new manager spending hundreds of millions on new players for their style is unsustainable
You brought an allegation into this debate which has no place in it. I know I'm not trying to defend Jose. I just want you to know
---------------
How does a director of football change matters in terms of the signings? Does he identify players that are to be signed without input from the manager? If so, all of the players must be signed with a specific style of football in mind. In which case, the managers that we employ must also play a specific style of football. Does that not limit us in terms of our managerial options in the future? What if we are in need of a manager but there isn't a top level one available that suits our style of play/squad. Do we drop down a level in terms of the quality of the manager, or do we appoint one that plays a different brand of football and then let him transform the squad. I'm not really sure that it answers any questions.
For me the manager should identify his targets and then leave it to whoever to negotiate the deal. The manager should also be able to work with the players at his disposal and bend them to his vision. This won't of course work with every player and some will have to be moved on.b
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That's more like it 🤙🏼
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