Ferguson never achieved anything outside his comfort zone in other countries.

See how I can bounce that logic right back at you?

comment by Cesc + Costa - Commander Dogtooth (U21341)
posted 1 minute ago
Ferguson never achieved anything outside his comfort zone in other countries.

See how I can bounce that logic right back at you?
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Aberdeen?

comment by Cesc + Costa - Commander Dogtooth (U21341)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ferguson never achieved anything outside his comfort zone in other countries.

See how I can bounce that logic right back at you?
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What high grade drugs are you kids smoking these days?? Mourinho on par with Ferguson

Scotland and England are the UK together. I know technically they're different countries, but they're very similar. Mourinho has been all over Europe and had to adapt to all kinds of different clubs and countries.

He was on par with Ferguson, whether you like it or not. Ferguson won two CLs, so has Mourinho. Ferguson won many league titles, so has Mourinho, except Mourinho has won in more different countries.

comment by Cesc + Costa - Commander Dogtooth (U21341)
posted 11 seconds ago
Scotland and England are the UK together. I know technically they're different countries, but they're very similar. Mourinho has been all over Europe and had to adapt to all kinds of different clubs and countries.
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Spoke like a true American. Do some research on what he did at Aberdeen, it's really rather impressive.

What Ferguson achieved at Man Utd was impressive. What Mourinho achieved at Chelsea, Porto, Inter and Real was all impressive. They're both great managers.

I don't disagree that wahl.

I think it's becoming abundantly clear hat turning these group of players into winners is a lot harder than we all imagined.

Say what you like about Van Gaal and Mourinho, but they're managers with proven track record of winning and turning teams into winners. We've had decent squads under both of them yet come nowhere near the league.

What I disagree with is that ferguson is the King of all managers and that no one comes close to him. It's not true. Between 2004-07 Mourinho outdid Ferguson in England and from 2004-10 Mourinho was widely considered the best manager in the world. NOT Ferguson. From 2009-13 Guardiola was also being called by a lot of people the best. It wasn't like Ferguson was always on a level of his own. He was at the top level, but so was Mourinho.

comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 52 seconds ago
I think it's becoming abundantly clear hat turning these group of players into winners is a lot harder than we all imagined.

Say what you like about Van Gaal and Mourinho, but they're managers with proven track record of winning and turning teams into winners. We've had decent squads under both of them yet come nowhere near the league.
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Absolutely agree. And that is where Ferguson leaves all of them behind. That man will be challenging for the title with this same squad. You have great managers, which Mourinho is and then Ferguson.

Ferguson doesn't leave anyone behind skip. He's become a better manager since he retired it seems.

Fergie will always be the classier of the 2

He knew how to win but he also knew how to lose

Scholay, I think the problem is that Ferguson had winning engrained in the club. It went with him and rediscovering that has been a problem even for managers with LVG and Mourinho's experience.

I think it's a problem that has surrounded the club. Albeit we've won some cups.

Should be known that Jose has only ever known the Era of TV money, whereas SAF won before and during.

comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
Scholay, I think the problem is that Ferguson had winning engrained in the club. It went with him and rediscovering that has been a problem even for managers with LVG and Mourinho's experience.

I think it's a problem that has surrounded the club. Albeit we've won some cups.
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Indeed Zlatan. I don't even think we will consistently challenge again, and by that I mean season after season going for the title. I see a lot of managers now saying this is not possible. Ferguson's team would challenge season after season even in 10 years time.

Possibly, hard to tell. We went three years without challenging under Fergie when there wasn't as much competition back in the mid 2000's, but then we didn't have the financial muscle we have now either.

Challenging ten years in a row is unheard of outside od Scotland, though. So now we are back in the real world it's not something we should be expecting.

What we do need to do is get back to being champions sooner rather than later. We need that monkey off our baxk after Fergie's departure.

The irony is that SAF would have possibly struggled now because he wouldn't have been able to relate to the younger players. He was already showing plenty of flaws in judgment in his final seasons. I doubt he would have lost Pogba 10 years beforehand.

Yeah right.

comment by Robb : the Martin Samuel of ja606 (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
The irony is that SAF would have possibly struggled now because he wouldn't have been able to relate to the younger players. He was already showing plenty of flaws in judgment in his final seasons. I doubt he would have lost Pogba 10 years beforehand.
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Not overly been proven wrong in regards his pogba judgement. On the contrary, think SAF would have done fine with younger players.

Yes he was. We were lining up with bang average midfielders for years while Pogba was growing into one of the best midfielders around.

SAF was losing his edge with youngsters

If he was the SAF of old he wouldn't have bought RVP and he would have trusted Welbeck and he wouldn't have brought back Scholes etc

Jose was in it a bit for himself in his final years. You can't blame him but he had changed a bit before the end. He took less risks and surrounded himself with players he felt he could rely on

Not sure about that. Welbeck never looked like he could be a top striker. Fergie always looked to buy the best strikers as he knows their value.

I do think he started to lose faith in youth players as he got older. Though it's hard to compare to his younger days as the youth players we had back then were so much better than anything we've produced since.

I think Welbeck looked an exciting Rashford-like prospect at the end of the 11/12 season.

His goals would have helped us win a title had the 4-4 debacle not happened.

comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 6 seconds ago
Not sure about that. Welbeck never looked like he could be a top striker. Fergie always looked to buy the best strikers as he knows their value.

I do think he started to lose faith in youth players as he got older. Though it's hard to compare to his younger days as the youth players we had back then were so much better than anything we've produced since.
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Sign of the money ramping up in the game. The flood of cash meant better players all around and he had to possibly sacrifice that slightly to keep us up there. He always moved with game.