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comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
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Sudan, Kenya & Malawi exporting wine ? I stopped reading at that point
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Let's sell tea to China!
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Thought the same to begin with, but to be fair, there was an etc. and South Africa, for example, makes fantastic wine.
As WWSPD pointed out though, it's not so much the EU, but the WTO, whose agreements largely exclude food & agriculture. I think this is allegedly because of the military/strategic importance of each country controlling its own food chain, but in practice it holds back the less developed nations precisely in one of the areas where they might more easily be in a position to compete.
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comment by Sugar-Ray (U21430)
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comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 6 seconds ago
Sudan, Kenya & Malawi exporting wine ? I stopped reading at that point
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Let's sell tea to China!
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Thought the same to begin with, but to be fair, there was an etc. and South Africa, for example, makes fantastic wine.
As WWSPD pointed out though, it's not so much the EU, but the WTO, whose agreements largely exclude food & agriculture. I think this is allegedly because of the military/strategic importance of each country controlling its own food chain, but in practice it holds back the less developed nations precisely in one of the areas where they might more easily be in a position to compete.
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If folk think the EU is bureaucratic, looking forward to seeing their reaction to the WTO arbitration scheme.
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Great article Wanyama. Just be a small bit easier if you made use of paragraphs. That is just me being fussy though.
Any left wing socialist politicians I know or have spoken with in NI, IRL and Scotland are strongly against the EU. I don't look at is as clear cut and understand all the pros and cons of a Brexit.
One thing I didn't want however was a weak, unstable Tory government rubbing their hands at the prospect of overseeing it. All the while understand undoing alot of the great work of employent law under the EU etc.
The mass hyperdermic needle approach by the media and the centre to far right to slate Corbyn and negate his views at every opportunity, trying their best to demonise a man whom lives his life largely like the majority of us is wrong.
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It's 2017 Sandy, what's the matter, can't handle a strong womyn Prime Minister?
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Theresa May being a strong Prime Minister really doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.
During her time as home secretary she would either pass the buck, or keep quiet when the going got tough, during her time as PM, she has back tracked, and U turned as soon as any type of pressure has been put upon her, whether that's budget related, or potential ideas for their up coming manifesto.
She went to the states to belly rub Trump, was told the UK would be back at the front of the cue in terms of trade deals, which he has since backtracked on, due to the realisation, and probably advice from others, that deals within a market of 60 odd million people, will not be put ahead of potential deals involving a market of half a billion.
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Education - free. But lets make it a real test of knowledge and intelligence, not the current version of 'anyone can get a degree'
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In other words, let's not have equal opportunities.
Not that simple Just Shoot.
In regard to benefits alone, there are more Britons claiming more money in EU countries than there ever has been in this country.
Obviously if your 'POLITICS MADE SIMPLE' ideas where put in place, there will be direct implications for tens of thousands of Britain's living abroad and claiming state welfare in Sweden, Austria, Spain, France, Denmark etc.
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Arthur Johnson (U6426)
posted 26 seconds ago
Education - free. But lets make it a real test of knowledge and intelligence, not the current version of 'anyone can get a degree'
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In other words, let's not have equal opportunities.
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I'm not following... if you mean not equal for stupid and intelligent people, yes. But financially, no.
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It's not that simple. There are loads of people who struggle through school and can't get into uni who are anything but stupid.
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Just to be clear, that's direct comparison of countries, and not a combined total.
ie, more British claiming benefits in Germany, that Germans in Britain etc.
comment by Galviatric (U10415)
posted 21 minutes ago
Good ol strong Teresaa remainer, a liar, a pound shop Thatcher who is using the plebs and they're loving it
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Why are they struggling through school?
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Because of low-quality, dated education systems.
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Immigration - come here if you have something to offer. Linked to...
Benefits - none for immigrants until they have paid contributions for 5 years. Healthcare will be provided after 3 years.
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But this was on the table if we remained, it was ignored.
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 1 minute ago
Immigration - come here if you have something to offer. Linked to...
Benefits - none for immigrants until they have paid contributions for 5 years. Healthcare will be provided after 3 years.
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But this was on the table if we remained, it was ignored.
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I'm not siding with anyone, just reiterating concerns that I see many people have.
Education, housing, welfare, immigration seem to be people top priorities.
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I know mate, it's just an observation.
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Arthur Johnson (U6426)
posted 14 seconds ago
Why are they struggling through school?
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Because of low-quality, dated education systems.
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OK. But universities are places of attaining academic excellence... or should be. Are you suggesting universities should just give places to people who have money, but not the academic qualifications? My comment was about uni's being a meritocracy, you have to earn it.
The schooling segment should be assumed that we need to have a good education system... like Finland.
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No mate, and sorry for being so curt in my previous replies.
It's just that I feel way too much emphasis is put on how to fiix the higher education system, when the biggest flaws are in the early years.
As you hint with your mention of Finland, adequately staffed, funded and thought-out primary, secondary and even infant school systems is not only the best way of ensuring equal opportunities, but of guaranteeing that society makes the most of its members.
That's where the biggest changes are needed.
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 37 seconds ago
Not that simple Just Shoot.
In regard to benefits alone, there are more Britons claiming more money in EU countries than there ever has been in this country.
Obviously if your 'POLITICS MADE SIMPLE' ideas where put in place, there will be direct implications for tens of thousands of Britain's living abroad and claiming state welfare in Sweden, Austria, Spain, France, Denmark etc.
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This is actually an interesting point. I've never heard of Brits living abroad and claiming benefits from their nominated country. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but is it the case that I could go to Spain and get the same as a serial welfarers in he UK?
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There was an ITV Tonight documentary about this last Wednesday. Wasn't exactly investigative journalism but highlighted how many ex pats have been overlooked.
The UK has a bilateral agreement with the EU in regard to healthcare/most benefits.
Ex pats living in the EU have the majority of their medical costs paid by the government. Amounting to an NHS bill of circa £670m a year.
In short none of the UK's problems (that for 40yrs have been blamed on the EU) will go away after Brexit.
Other than tax avoidance schemes being able to thrive without EU influence.
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posted on 29/4/17
comment by Sugar-Ray (U21430)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 6 seconds ago
Sudan, Kenya & Malawi exporting wine ? I stopped reading at that point
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Let's sell tea to China!
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Thought the same to begin with, but to be fair, there was an etc. and South Africa, for example, makes fantastic wine.
As WWSPD pointed out though, it's not so much the EU, but the WTO, whose agreements largely exclude food & agriculture. I think this is allegedly because of the military/strategic importance of each country controlling its own food chain, but in practice it holds back the less developed nations precisely in one of the areas where they might more easily be in a position to compete.
posted on 29/4/17
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posted on 29/4/17
comment by Arthur Johnson (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sugar-Ray (U21430)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 6 seconds ago
Sudan, Kenya & Malawi exporting wine ? I stopped reading at that point
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Let's sell tea to China!
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Thought the same to begin with, but to be fair, there was an etc. and South Africa, for example, makes fantastic wine.
As WWSPD pointed out though, it's not so much the EU, but the WTO, whose agreements largely exclude food & agriculture. I think this is allegedly because of the military/strategic importance of each country controlling its own food chain, but in practice it holds back the less developed nations precisely in one of the areas where they might more easily be in a position to compete.
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If folk think the EU is bureaucratic, looking forward to seeing their reaction to the WTO arbitration scheme.
posted on 29/4/17
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posted on 29/4/17
Great article Wanyama. Just be a small bit easier if you made use of paragraphs. That is just me being fussy though.
Any left wing socialist politicians I know or have spoken with in NI, IRL and Scotland are strongly against the EU. I don't look at is as clear cut and understand all the pros and cons of a Brexit.
One thing I didn't want however was a weak, unstable Tory government rubbing their hands at the prospect of overseeing it. All the while understand undoing alot of the great work of employent law under the EU etc.
The mass hyperdermic needle approach by the media and the centre to far right to slate Corbyn and negate his views at every opportunity, trying their best to demonise a man whom lives his life largely like the majority of us is wrong.
posted on 29/4/17
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posted on 29/4/17
It's 2017 Sandy, what's the matter, can't handle a strong womyn Prime Minister?
=================================
Theresa May being a strong Prime Minister really doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.
During her time as home secretary she would either pass the buck, or keep quiet when the going got tough, during her time as PM, she has back tracked, and U turned as soon as any type of pressure has been put upon her, whether that's budget related, or potential ideas for their up coming manifesto.
She went to the states to belly rub Trump, was told the UK would be back at the front of the cue in terms of trade deals, which he has since backtracked on, due to the realisation, and probably advice from others, that deals within a market of 60 odd million people, will not be put ahead of potential deals involving a market of half a billion.
posted on 29/4/17
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posted on 29/4/17
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posted on 29/4/17
Education - free. But lets make it a real test of knowledge and intelligence, not the current version of 'anyone can get a degree'
---
In other words, let's not have equal opportunities.
posted on 29/4/17
Not that simple Just Shoot.
In regard to benefits alone, there are more Britons claiming more money in EU countries than there ever has been in this country.
Obviously if your 'POLITICS MADE SIMPLE' ideas where put in place, there will be direct implications for tens of thousands of Britain's living abroad and claiming state welfare in Sweden, Austria, Spain, France, Denmark etc.
posted on 29/4/17
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posted on 29/4/17
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posted on 29/4/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Arthur Johnson (U6426)
posted 26 seconds ago
Education - free. But lets make it a real test of knowledge and intelligence, not the current version of 'anyone can get a degree'
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In other words, let's not have equal opportunities.
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I'm not following... if you mean not equal for stupid and intelligent people, yes. But financially, no.
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It's not that simple. There are loads of people who struggle through school and can't get into uni who are anything but stupid.
posted on 29/4/17
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posted on 29/4/17
Just to be clear, that's direct comparison of countries, and not a combined total.
ie, more British claiming benefits in Germany, that Germans in Britain etc.
posted on 29/4/17
comment by Galviatric (U10415)
posted 21 minutes ago
Good ol strong Teresaa remainer, a liar, a pound shop Thatcher who is using the plebs and they're loving it
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posted on 29/4/17
Why are they struggling through school?
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Because of low-quality, dated education systems.
posted on 29/4/17
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posted on 29/4/17
Immigration - come here if you have something to offer. Linked to...
Benefits - none for immigrants until they have paid contributions for 5 years. Healthcare will be provided after 3 years.
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But this was on the table if we remained, it was ignored.
posted on 29/4/17
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posted on 29/4/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 1 minute ago
Immigration - come here if you have something to offer. Linked to...
Benefits - none for immigrants until they have paid contributions for 5 years. Healthcare will be provided after 3 years.
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But this was on the table if we remained, it was ignored.
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I'm not siding with anyone, just reiterating concerns that I see many people have.
Education, housing, welfare, immigration seem to be people top priorities.
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I know mate, it's just an observation.
posted on 29/4/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Arthur Johnson (U6426)
posted 14 seconds ago
Why are they struggling through school?
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Because of low-quality, dated education systems.
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OK. But universities are places of attaining academic excellence... or should be. Are you suggesting universities should just give places to people who have money, but not the academic qualifications? My comment was about uni's being a meritocracy, you have to earn it.
The schooling segment should be assumed that we need to have a good education system... like Finland.
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No mate, and sorry for being so curt in my previous replies.
It's just that I feel way too much emphasis is put on how to fiix the higher education system, when the biggest flaws are in the early years.
As you hint with your mention of Finland, adequately staffed, funded and thought-out primary, secondary and even infant school systems is not only the best way of ensuring equal opportunities, but of guaranteeing that society makes the most of its members.
That's where the biggest changes are needed.
posted on 29/4/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 37 seconds ago
Not that simple Just Shoot.
In regard to benefits alone, there are more Britons claiming more money in EU countries than there ever has been in this country.
Obviously if your 'POLITICS MADE SIMPLE' ideas where put in place, there will be direct implications for tens of thousands of Britain's living abroad and claiming state welfare in Sweden, Austria, Spain, France, Denmark etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is actually an interesting point. I've never heard of Brits living abroad and claiming benefits from their nominated country. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but is it the case that I could go to Spain and get the same as a serial welfarers in he UK?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There was an ITV Tonight documentary about this last Wednesday. Wasn't exactly investigative journalism but highlighted how many ex pats have been overlooked.
The UK has a bilateral agreement with the EU in regard to healthcare/most benefits.
Ex pats living in the EU have the majority of their medical costs paid by the government. Amounting to an NHS bill of circa £670m a year.
posted on 29/4/17
In short none of the UK's problems (that for 40yrs have been blamed on the EU) will go away after Brexit.
Other than tax avoidance schemes being able to thrive without EU influence.
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