Too many people that don't have a Scooby Doo
Hector
I massively agree on those fronts, but some will need to take a backseat, the manifesto will outline what the party will provide, but us as citizens need to know what they will now do in light of the attacks.
comment by Thudd - The Big 6. (U1029)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do not trust Corbyn to protect this country, problem is who do we now put our trust in, set aside all the squabbles about housing and funding
It's about how the next government protect it's citizens, that should be their main goal in the coming days.
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Yes, may and all her cuts to services is far better than a bloke who will invest in our police force for example.
Thudd
Normally you'd say the Torys are the party of law and order but with Mrs May at the helm, her track record as Home Secretary is patchy when it comes to numbers, cut the beat bobby police, cut the armed police...
But I'm biased because I have an inexplicable dislike for the woman, just looking at her makes me fume.
Stretty
It's not his policies I'm worried about, it's more him as a person, I'm not convinced at this stage based on what he say's! I wish he was harder on immigration because like it or not it's a hot topic in the UK right now, if he clamped down he'd win this election in my opinion,
It's either elect bad or badder for me.
More police on the streets yes, but more intelligence gathering to boot,
agree with OP-but the Govt and the US have had their noses up the Saudi backsides because of the oil money and arms contracts-cant see anything changing. they just close a blind eye to what is going on-even 9/11 Bush got all his Saudi cronies on planes out of the US , even though all flights were supposed to be grounded
Time to try something that seems alien to most politicians... Pull troops/drones etc out of all wars... Only align with UN/NATO issues... Stop selling weapons to gulf states... Create our own energy so we don't have to be involved in fake wars for oil. Use some of those saved military billions to boost intelligence, feet on the streets etc
Will it stop terrorism and create a peaceful utopia, no... Does it stand a better chance of minimising the threat, probably
We should take a stand against these nations supporting terrorists. If it causes a reduction in our arms sales then so be it.
Can't let these mugs threaten the security of the entire world.
https://twitter.com/GMB/status/871624111180664832
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comment by Robb Covfefe (U21234)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb Covfefe (U21234)
posted 12 minutes ago
Mudd sees Iran as some sort of beacon of good in the region
If only he'd do some research
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I do not believe I have said they are some beacon of good.
Their society however was secular until we intervened and installed the mullahs.
They also are our allies in the fight against IS
They are the lesser of 2 evils
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And yet they were complicit with Al Qaeda
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Do you know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites?
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Thudd - The Big 6. (U1029)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do not trust Corbyn to protect this country, problem is who do we now put our trust in, set aside all the squabbles about housing and funding
It's about how the next government protect it's citizens, that should be their main goal in the coming days.
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Yes, may and all her cuts to services is far better than a bloke who will invest in our police force for example.
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The stupidity is amazing stretty.
May promised to break the backs of the police force
Becareful what you wish for
8 mins to scene to resolve the attack is a great response time to be fair
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 5 minutes ago
The arms that we sell aren't being used against us. We are not fighting Saudi Arabia are we?
I'd like to know what Saudi Arabia are funding that causes the violence. Is there confusion between what Saudi is funding and what certain Saudi factions are supporting? Is it direct government funding or is it more like an IRAy situation? E.g. Not Ireland doing the violence.
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The Saudi fund the spread of Wahhabism which is an intolerant branch of Islam. The more extreme organisations and individuals of this branch fund the terrorists.
I read it from here
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html
I posted this on another thread but it seems relevant here...
Let me state that I will probably be voting Labour this week. After my early scepticism (some of which remains), Corbyn has won me over. I believe he would be as good as his word about rectifying the police's lack of resources, which in the context of this debate can only be a good thing.
Corbyn is also a pacifist and is known to disagree with much of our role in the Middle East. However, does anyone really believe, hand on heart, that with Corbyn as PM there would be fewer people wanting to do this country harm by committing acts such as those we've seen recently? Seriously? A nicer human being in charge of the country and suddenly these people are, if not pacified, at least less determined?
I can't see it myself.
There’s a good interview on Sky News with the former senior investigator of the Met. He called out the government as liars.
In that they have cut services so much, (despite protests and the police telling the government it would put lives at risk) the force is completely incapacitated in many areas of the country.
hand on heart, that with Corbyn as PM there would be fewer people wanting to do this country harm by committing acts such as those we've seen recently?
I think the damage has already been done, regardless who is PM we've made our bed by the actions of Tony Blair before him, I've not decided on my vote but Corbyn being a pacifist as you say does sway me towards a stronger leader.
comment by Thudd - The Big 6. (U1029)
posted 1 minute ago
hand on heart, that with Corbyn as PM there would be fewer people wanting to do this country harm by committing acts such as those we've seen recently?
I think the damage has already been done, regardless who is PM we've made our bed by the actions of Tony Blair before him, I've not decided on my vote but Corbyn being a pacifist as you say does sway me towards a stronger leader.
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So these are purely and simply acts of revenge for western intervention in Iraq and now Syria is what you're saying?
comment by Clockwork Red: blow a kiss, fire a gun (U4892)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Thudd - The Big 6. (U1029)
posted 1 minute ago
hand on heart, that with Corbyn as PM there would be fewer people wanting to do this country harm by committing acts such as those we've seen recently?
I think the damage has already been done, regardless who is PM we've made our bed by the actions of Tony Blair before him, I've not decided on my vote but Corbyn being a pacifist as you say does sway me towards a stronger leader.
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So these are purely and simply acts of revenge for western intervention in Iraq and now Syria is what you're saying?
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Not exclusively. But as acknowledged by MI5, a contributing factor.
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Not exclusively. But as acknowledged by MI5, a contributing factor.
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I wasn't blaming labour by the way but the actions of that war did contribute towards an already stirring pot
So these are purely and simply acts of revenge for western intervention in Iraq and now Syria is what you're saying?
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There is no "simple" to any of this.
It is a complex, chaotic issue that requires multiple responses to even reduce terrorism. Removing the "eye for an eye" issue might be a worthwhile, if very long term, goal.
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comment by enlightened hippo - i got mou babe (U1301)
posted 1 minute ago
the main problem is theislamic ideology that leads people to think that if you kill those who are destined for hell anyway, then you will be heading to heaven.
our tolerance and respect for religious freedom (something i think shouls not exist, freedom of speech is enough) has lead to isolated communities where these ideologies flourish. as long as people honestly think that they should be allowed to never see a caricature of mohammed or that their daughters should be excused from swimming, then there will always be singular people who take it to the extreme.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
two thirds of muslims would not tip off the police if they knew of somebody thinking about joining isis in the uk. quite clearly mainstream muslim communities are the problem and it is finally time for us to say no more, you don't get this special treatment, you do not get to impose your nutcase fantasies on others.
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That Express story was debunked some time ago. Completely fictitious.
Although unsure why anyone would use the Express as a source (for anything).
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posted on 5/6/17
Too many people that don't have a Scooby Doo
posted on 5/6/17
Hector
I massively agree on those fronts, but some will need to take a backseat, the manifesto will outline what the party will provide, but us as citizens need to know what they will now do in light of the attacks.
posted on 5/6/17
comment by Thudd - The Big 6. (U1029)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do not trust Corbyn to protect this country, problem is who do we now put our trust in, set aside all the squabbles about housing and funding
It's about how the next government protect it's citizens, that should be their main goal in the coming days.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, may and all her cuts to services is far better than a bloke who will invest in our police force for example.
posted on 5/6/17
Thudd
Normally you'd say the Torys are the party of law and order but with Mrs May at the helm, her track record as Home Secretary is patchy when it comes to numbers, cut the beat bobby police, cut the armed police...
But I'm biased because I have an inexplicable dislike for the woman, just looking at her makes me fume.
posted on 5/6/17
Stretty
It's not his policies I'm worried about, it's more him as a person, I'm not convinced at this stage based on what he say's! I wish he was harder on immigration because like it or not it's a hot topic in the UK right now, if he clamped down he'd win this election in my opinion,
It's either elect bad or badder for me.
More police on the streets yes, but more intelligence gathering to boot,
posted on 5/6/17
agree with OP-but the Govt and the US have had their noses up the Saudi backsides because of the oil money and arms contracts-cant see anything changing. they just close a blind eye to what is going on-even 9/11 Bush got all his Saudi cronies on planes out of the US , even though all flights were supposed to be grounded
posted on 5/6/17
Time to try something that seems alien to most politicians... Pull troops/drones etc out of all wars... Only align with UN/NATO issues... Stop selling weapons to gulf states... Create our own energy so we don't have to be involved in fake wars for oil. Use some of those saved military billions to boost intelligence, feet on the streets etc
Will it stop terrorism and create a peaceful utopia, no... Does it stand a better chance of minimising the threat, probably
posted on 5/6/17
We should take a stand against these nations supporting terrorists. If it causes a reduction in our arms sales then so be it.
Can't let these mugs threaten the security of the entire world.
posted on 5/6/17
https://twitter.com/GMB/status/871624111180664832
posted on 5/6/17
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posted on 5/6/17
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posted on 5/6/17
comment by Robb Covfefe (U21234)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb Covfefe (U21234)
posted 12 minutes ago
Mudd sees Iran as some sort of beacon of good in the region
If only he'd do some research
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I do not believe I have said they are some beacon of good.
Their society however was secular until we intervened and installed the mullahs.
They also are our allies in the fight against IS
They are the lesser of 2 evils
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And yet they were complicit with Al Qaeda
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Do you know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites?
posted on 5/6/17
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Thudd - The Big 6. (U1029)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do not trust Corbyn to protect this country, problem is who do we now put our trust in, set aside all the squabbles about housing and funding
It's about how the next government protect it's citizens, that should be their main goal in the coming days.
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Yes, may and all her cuts to services is far better than a bloke who will invest in our police force for example.
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The stupidity is amazing stretty.
May promised to break the backs of the police force
Becareful what you wish for
posted on 5/6/17
8 mins to scene to resolve the attack is a great response time to be fair
posted on 5/6/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 5 minutes ago
The arms that we sell aren't being used against us. We are not fighting Saudi Arabia are we?
I'd like to know what Saudi Arabia are funding that causes the violence. Is there confusion between what Saudi is funding and what certain Saudi factions are supporting? Is it direct government funding or is it more like an IRAy situation? E.g. Not Ireland doing the violence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Saudi fund the spread of Wahhabism which is an intolerant branch of Islam. The more extreme organisations and individuals of this branch fund the terrorists.
I read it from here
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html
posted on 5/6/17
I posted this on another thread but it seems relevant here...
Let me state that I will probably be voting Labour this week. After my early scepticism (some of which remains), Corbyn has won me over. I believe he would be as good as his word about rectifying the police's lack of resources, which in the context of this debate can only be a good thing.
Corbyn is also a pacifist and is known to disagree with much of our role in the Middle East. However, does anyone really believe, hand on heart, that with Corbyn as PM there would be fewer people wanting to do this country harm by committing acts such as those we've seen recently? Seriously? A nicer human being in charge of the country and suddenly these people are, if not pacified, at least less determined?
I can't see it myself.
posted on 5/6/17
There’s a good interview on Sky News with the former senior investigator of the Met. He called out the government as liars.
In that they have cut services so much, (despite protests and the police telling the government it would put lives at risk) the force is completely incapacitated in many areas of the country.
posted on 5/6/17
hand on heart, that with Corbyn as PM there would be fewer people wanting to do this country harm by committing acts such as those we've seen recently?
I think the damage has already been done, regardless who is PM we've made our bed by the actions of Tony Blair before him, I've not decided on my vote but Corbyn being a pacifist as you say does sway me towards a stronger leader.
posted on 5/6/17
comment by Thudd - The Big 6. (U1029)
posted 1 minute ago
hand on heart, that with Corbyn as PM there would be fewer people wanting to do this country harm by committing acts such as those we've seen recently?
I think the damage has already been done, regardless who is PM we've made our bed by the actions of Tony Blair before him, I've not decided on my vote but Corbyn being a pacifist as you say does sway me towards a stronger leader.
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So these are purely and simply acts of revenge for western intervention in Iraq and now Syria is what you're saying?
posted on 5/6/17
comment by Clockwork Red: blow a kiss, fire a gun (U4892)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Thudd - The Big 6. (U1029)
posted 1 minute ago
hand on heart, that with Corbyn as PM there would be fewer people wanting to do this country harm by committing acts such as those we've seen recently?
I think the damage has already been done, regardless who is PM we've made our bed by the actions of Tony Blair before him, I've not decided on my vote but Corbyn being a pacifist as you say does sway me towards a stronger leader.
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So these are purely and simply acts of revenge for western intervention in Iraq and now Syria is what you're saying?
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Not exclusively. But as acknowledged by MI5, a contributing factor.
posted on 5/6/17
Not entirely.
posted on 5/6/17
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Not exclusively. But as acknowledged by MI5, a contributing factor.
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I wasn't blaming labour by the way but the actions of that war did contribute towards an already stirring pot
posted on 5/6/17
So these are purely and simply acts of revenge for western intervention in Iraq and now Syria is what you're saying?
---------------------
There is no "simple" to any of this.
It is a complex, chaotic issue that requires multiple responses to even reduce terrorism. Removing the "eye for an eye" issue might be a worthwhile, if very long term, goal.
posted on 5/6/17
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posted on 5/6/17
comment by enlightened hippo - i got mou babe (U1301)
posted 1 minute ago
the main problem is theislamic ideology that leads people to think that if you kill those who are destined for hell anyway, then you will be heading to heaven.
our tolerance and respect for religious freedom (something i think shouls not exist, freedom of speech is enough) has lead to isolated communities where these ideologies flourish. as long as people honestly think that they should be allowed to never see a caricature of mohammed or that their daughters should be excused from swimming, then there will always be singular people who take it to the extreme.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
two thirds of muslims would not tip off the police if they knew of somebody thinking about joining isis in the uk. quite clearly mainstream muslim communities are the problem and it is finally time for us to say no more, you don't get this special treatment, you do not get to impose your nutcase fantasies on others.
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That Express story was debunked some time ago. Completely fictitious.
Although unsure why anyone would use the Express as a source (for anything).
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