Who cares if the authorities or the press report it as a terrorist attack or are we that much of being sheep we need them to label things for us.
It was a terroist attack so as the idea was thought of!
T Bone, I wish you a speedy recovery friend from your fight with the surgeon. Your comments on the support given to you be Muslim friends doesn't surprise me in the least.
I've read some vitriol in my day but some of the comments on this post take the biscuit. We don't know any details of the murderer - the evidence of his intent to kill or cause serious bodily harm there is in my view overwhelming - the terrorism or otherwise of his actions that is there doesn't detract from the simple awfulness of these same actions.
These nutters, from either side of the spectrum deserve what they get, either a bullet or life imprisonment, hopefully without release, and while I will always defend the right of others to express their views, no matter how repulsive, the need, plain and simple, is for us all to stick together, not turn against each other, which is the main objective of these criminals.
Please pass on my own appreciation to your Muslim friends, in my view they are true followers of that faith in looking after their fellow man, no matter who he or she is.
JimmyTheRed
T Bone is feasting on haleem, spiced chicken and battered potatoes deep fried.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 49 minutes ago
T Bone is feasting on haleem, spiced chicken and battered potatoes deep fried.
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Those actions speak volumes for your community, but just for the sake of good PR, couldn't you change the name of those potatoes?
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 hours, 27 minutes ago
This is obviously one person carrying out, as he sees it, a revenge attack.
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Yeah?
Where does he get the van from.. ?
How does he know what time prayers finish?
Where did he get the bravado to do this?
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Not sure what your point is? It's irrelevant whether it's one man or three when you look at my whole point. But you do enjoy a bit of selective quoting, don't you?
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Quoted verbatim.
You made a point of using "one person" instead of "a person"
Pointing it towards one rogue individual.
It's anything but.
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Again, that wasn't the main point of what I was saying. But if it makes you feel good then congratulations, you've excelled yourself in your already exceptional levels of pedancy.
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Pretty sure you're one of the one's it's aimed at. Racism works both ways
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 16 hours, 31 minutes ago
This won't be classed as a terrorist attack and will be quickly forgotten like the New York one a few weeks back.
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That was a dui, not a terror attack.
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 40 minutes ago
Term
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What?
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 16 hours, 31 minutes ago
This won't be classed as a terrorist attack and will be quickly forgotten like the New York one a few weeks back.
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That was a dui, not a terror attack.
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CurrentlyinChina said the same thing this morning and was corrected.
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Maybe they were alright as they were his Muslims.
Same as racism at football grounds back in the 80's.. you could rip strips off black players of other clubs. But you didn't do to your own clubs black players.
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 4 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 16 hours, 31 minutes ago
This won't be classed as a terrorist attack and will be quickly forgotten like the New York one a few weeks back.
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That was a dui, not a terror attack.
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CurrentlyinChina said the same thing this morning and was corrected.
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As I said before, when I posted that there the only info on the BBC was that a van hit people and 7 injured and the person caught. There was no mention of attack, not the race of the attacker.
I've read plenty of cases of right wing extremists who have planned bombings of mosques who didn't get don't under anti-terror laws and neither were they labeled terrorists. So this is something the press and the law finally are getting right. No matter who the victims are, people such as those have to be called what they are.
By BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner
This incident risks playing right into the hands of those planning further attacks on vulnerable citizens in the UK.
Online followers of the so-called Islamic State have been quick to seize on the Finsbury Park attack as proof of what they see as widespread hostility towards Muslims who live in the West. Inevitably, it will be used by recruiters and propagandists to incite further attacks - extremism breeds extremism.
The one thing that far right anti-Muslim extremists and violent jihadists have in common is the belief that peaceful coexistence between Muslim and non-Muslim is impossible.
The unified prayers and solidarity across communities that followed recent terror attacks are anathema to them. Extremists of both types want instead to divide society and will keep trying to bring this about by criminal acts of provocation such as this.
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 8 hours, 10 minutes ago
On the news the guy who committed the attack had Muslim neighbours, who he apparently got on with and even did DIY for them.
Strange one
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It is strange. He's obviously not an all out Muslim hater, as he gets on with his neighbours. But he then attacks others that he's never met before, so how can he know if they're good/bad?
I'm seems that some serious rage has built up inside him over everything that's gone on, and he's literally lost his senses. The vast majority of us are able to control our thoughts to stop them progressing to this stage. Sadly, some don't have this 'safety mechanism'. I'm not sure that anyone will ever be able to stop this kind of person, when it's probable that something has just snapped inside their heads.
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 4 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 16 hours, 31 minutes ago
This won't be classed as a terrorist attack and will be quickly forgotten like the New York one a few weeks back.
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That was a dui, not a terror attack.
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CurrentlyinChina said the same thing this morning and was corrected.
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As I said before, when I posted that there the only info on the BBC was that a van hit people and 7 injured and the person caught. There was no mention of attack, not the race of the attacker.
I've read plenty of cases of right wing extremists who have planned bombings of mosques who didn't get don't under anti-terror laws and neither were they labeled terrorists. So this is something the press and the law finally are getting right. No matter who the victims are, people such as those have to be called what they are.
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Yes but there was no suggestion the Hispanic bloke pi55ed out of his head and wanting to get shot by the police was anything to do with terrorism.
What terrorist organisation was he a part of? !
The one thing that far right anti-Muslim extremists and violent jihadists have in common is the belief that peaceful coexistence between Muslim and non-Muslim is impossible.
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Exactly that, both groups are two cheeks of the same backside.
They each give fuel for the other to exist.
It is strange. He's obviously not an all out Muslim hater, as he gets on with his neighbours. But he then attacks others that he's never met before, so how can he know if they're good/bad?
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That's like saying the London Bridge attackers are not all things western haters as they didn't do their neighbours in first.
At least he's alive so can give the full chapter and verse.
Very much doubt he gained this doctrine of hate all by himself.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 8 hours, 10 minutes ago
On the news the guy who committed the attack had Muslim neighbours, who he apparently got on with and even did DIY for them.
Strange one
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It is strange. He's obviously not an all out Muslim hater, as he gets on with his neighbours. But he then attacks others that he's never met before, so how can he know if they're good/bad?
I'm seems that some serious rage has built up inside him over everything that's gone on, and he's literally lost his senses. The vast majority of us are able to control our thoughts to stop them progressing to this stage. Sadly, some don't have this 'safety mechanism'. I'm not sure that anyone will ever be able to stop this kind of person, when it's probable that something has just snapped inside their heads.
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The drive down from Cardiff to London is time enough to think things over, so it certainly doesn't look like a spur of the moment thing.
Getting on with his neighbours is relative too when just a few days ago he reportedly called them in-breds.
I imagine police will be looking into how he became radicalised.
The drive down from Cardiff to London is time enough to think things over, so it certainly doesn't look like a spur of the moment thing.
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comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
The drive down from Cardiff to London is time enough to think things over, so it certainly doesn't look like a spur of the moment thing.
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Not sure I said that it was a spur of the moment thing. I said something 'snapped', which doesn't mean a person has to act at that moment. So how long his drive was is irrelevant.
I'm not sure why some are so obsessed with trying to pick apart every word typed. Surely it's the general points being made that are important, not petty point scoring on picking people up on trivialities.....
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
I'm not sure why some are so obsessed with trying to pick apart every word typed. Surely it's the general points being made that are important, not petty point scoring on picking people up on trivialities.....
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In my case, Term, I'm sorry because I ought to have specified that I agreed in the main with your statement. That said, my comment -more an addendum than a disagreement- was precisely because I don't think it's a trivial difference we're talking about.
It's one thing to say someone's temporarily short-circuited and acting in a fit of rage (NOT what you meant to imply, I realise), and another very different is to carry out an act like this in a clearly premeditated manner. It's not just me saying that, afaik it's what the law says too.
I think it's important because I don't get the impression we devote that much thought to how a religious extremist could get to the state where he decides to kill a load of people, when probably a lot of the mechanisms that lead to their actions are probably similar.
To make it perfectly clear, whenever I try to find an explanation it's never in an attempt to condone the actions, but to try to best understand the mechanisms that lead people there as a manner of averting them.
It's perfectly legitimate to use the means and resources to stop terrorists trying to act but, imo, in the long term it makes a lot more sense, if possible, to try an act upon the causes rather than the effects.
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posted on 19/6/17
Who cares if the authorities or the press report it as a terrorist attack or are we that much of being sheep we need them to label things for us.
It was a terroist attack so as the idea was thought of!
posted on 19/6/17
T Bone, I wish you a speedy recovery friend from your fight with the surgeon. Your comments on the support given to you be Muslim friends doesn't surprise me in the least.
I've read some vitriol in my day but some of the comments on this post take the biscuit. We don't know any details of the murderer - the evidence of his intent to kill or cause serious bodily harm there is in my view overwhelming - the terrorism or otherwise of his actions that is there doesn't detract from the simple awfulness of these same actions.
These nutters, from either side of the spectrum deserve what they get, either a bullet or life imprisonment, hopefully without release, and while I will always defend the right of others to express their views, no matter how repulsive, the need, plain and simple, is for us all to stick together, not turn against each other, which is the main objective of these criminals.
Please pass on my own appreciation to your Muslim friends, in my view they are true followers of that faith in looking after their fellow man, no matter who he or she is.
JimmyTheRed
posted on 19/6/17
T Bone is feasting on haleem, spiced chicken and battered potatoes deep fried.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 49 minutes ago
T Bone is feasting on haleem, spiced chicken and battered potatoes deep fried.
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Those actions speak volumes for your community, but just for the sake of good PR, couldn't you change the name of those potatoes?
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 hours, 27 minutes ago
This is obviously one person carrying out, as he sees it, a revenge attack.
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Yeah?
Where does he get the van from.. ?
How does he know what time prayers finish?
Where did he get the bravado to do this?
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Not sure what your point is? It's irrelevant whether it's one man or three when you look at my whole point. But you do enjoy a bit of selective quoting, don't you?
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Quoted verbatim.
You made a point of using "one person" instead of "a person"
Pointing it towards one rogue individual.
It's anything but.
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Again, that wasn't the main point of what I was saying. But if it makes you feel good then congratulations, you've excelled yourself in your already exceptional levels of pedancy.
posted on 19/6/17
In light of recent complaints. Please avoid calling members of our site Isis sympathisers and likewise please avoid accusations of racism towards members too. I'd appreciate folks maturity in this matter, on what is a highly sensitive topic.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 17 minutes ago
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Well said.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 17 minutes ago
In light of recent complaints. Please avoid calling members of our site Isis sympathisers and likewise please avoid accusations of racism towards members too. I'd appreciate folks maturity in this matter, on what is a highly sensitive topic.
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Well said.
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Pretty sure you're one of the one's it's aimed at. Racism works both ways
posted on 19/6/17
Term
posted on 19/6/17
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 16 hours, 31 minutes ago
This won't be classed as a terrorist attack and will be quickly forgotten like the New York one a few weeks back.
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That was a dui, not a terror attack.
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 40 minutes ago
Term
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What?
posted on 19/6/17
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 16 hours, 31 minutes ago
This won't be classed as a terrorist attack and will be quickly forgotten like the New York one a few weeks back.
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That was a dui, not a terror attack.
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CurrentlyinChina said the same thing this morning and was corrected.
posted on 19/6/17
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 19/6/17
Maybe they were alright as they were his Muslims.
Same as racism at football grounds back in the 80's.. you could rip strips off black players of other clubs. But you didn't do to your own clubs black players.
posted on 20/6/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 4 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 16 hours, 31 minutes ago
This won't be classed as a terrorist attack and will be quickly forgotten like the New York one a few weeks back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That was a dui, not a terror attack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
CurrentlyinChina said the same thing this morning and was corrected.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As I said before, when I posted that there the only info on the BBC was that a van hit people and 7 injured and the person caught. There was no mention of attack, not the race of the attacker.
I've read plenty of cases of right wing extremists who have planned bombings of mosques who didn't get don't under anti-terror laws and neither were they labeled terrorists. So this is something the press and the law finally are getting right. No matter who the victims are, people such as those have to be called what they are.
posted on 20/6/17
By BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner
This incident risks playing right into the hands of those planning further attacks on vulnerable citizens in the UK.
Online followers of the so-called Islamic State have been quick to seize on the Finsbury Park attack as proof of what they see as widespread hostility towards Muslims who live in the West. Inevitably, it will be used by recruiters and propagandists to incite further attacks - extremism breeds extremism.
The one thing that far right anti-Muslim extremists and violent jihadists have in common is the belief that peaceful coexistence between Muslim and non-Muslim is impossible.
The unified prayers and solidarity across communities that followed recent terror attacks are anathema to them. Extremists of both types want instead to divide society and will keep trying to bring this about by criminal acts of provocation such as this.
posted on 20/6/17
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 8 hours, 10 minutes ago
On the news the guy who committed the attack had Muslim neighbours, who he apparently got on with and even did DIY for them.
Strange one
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is strange. He's obviously not an all out Muslim hater, as he gets on with his neighbours. But he then attacks others that he's never met before, so how can he know if they're good/bad?
I'm seems that some serious rage has built up inside him over everything that's gone on, and he's literally lost his senses. The vast majority of us are able to control our thoughts to stop them progressing to this stage. Sadly, some don't have this 'safety mechanism'. I'm not sure that anyone will ever be able to stop this kind of person, when it's probable that something has just snapped inside their heads.
posted on 20/6/17
*It seems
posted on 20/6/17
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 4 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 16 hours, 31 minutes ago
This won't be classed as a terrorist attack and will be quickly forgotten like the New York one a few weeks back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That was a dui, not a terror attack.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
CurrentlyinChina said the same thing this morning and was corrected.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As I said before, when I posted that there the only info on the BBC was that a van hit people and 7 injured and the person caught. There was no mention of attack, not the race of the attacker.
I've read plenty of cases of right wing extremists who have planned bombings of mosques who didn't get don't under anti-terror laws and neither were they labeled terrorists. So this is something the press and the law finally are getting right. No matter who the victims are, people such as those have to be called what they are.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes but there was no suggestion the Hispanic bloke pi55ed out of his head and wanting to get shot by the police was anything to do with terrorism.
What terrorist organisation was he a part of? !
posted on 20/6/17
The one thing that far right anti-Muslim extremists and violent jihadists have in common is the belief that peaceful coexistence between Muslim and non-Muslim is impossible.
---------
Exactly that, both groups are two cheeks of the same backside.
They each give fuel for the other to exist.
posted on 20/6/17
It is strange. He's obviously not an all out Muslim hater, as he gets on with his neighbours. But he then attacks others that he's never met before, so how can he know if they're good/bad?
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That's like saying the London Bridge attackers are not all things western haters as they didn't do their neighbours in first.
At least he's alive so can give the full chapter and verse.
Very much doubt he gained this doctrine of hate all by himself.
posted on 20/6/17
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 8 hours, 10 minutes ago
On the news the guy who committed the attack had Muslim neighbours, who he apparently got on with and even did DIY for them.
Strange one
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is strange. He's obviously not an all out Muslim hater, as he gets on with his neighbours. But he then attacks others that he's never met before, so how can he know if they're good/bad?
I'm seems that some serious rage has built up inside him over everything that's gone on, and he's literally lost his senses. The vast majority of us are able to control our thoughts to stop them progressing to this stage. Sadly, some don't have this 'safety mechanism'. I'm not sure that anyone will ever be able to stop this kind of person, when it's probable that something has just snapped inside their heads.
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The drive down from Cardiff to London is time enough to think things over, so it certainly doesn't look like a spur of the moment thing.
Getting on with his neighbours is relative too when just a few days ago he reportedly called them in-breds.
I imagine police will be looking into how he became radicalised.
posted on 20/6/17
The drive down from Cardiff to London is time enough to think things over, so it certainly doesn't look like a spur of the moment thing.
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posted on 20/6/17
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
The drive down from Cardiff to London is time enough to think things over, so it certainly doesn't look like a spur of the moment thing.
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Not sure I said that it was a spur of the moment thing. I said something 'snapped', which doesn't mean a person has to act at that moment. So how long his drive was is irrelevant.
I'm not sure why some are so obsessed with trying to pick apart every word typed. Surely it's the general points being made that are important, not petty point scoring on picking people up on trivialities.....
posted on 20/6/17
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
I'm not sure why some are so obsessed with trying to pick apart every word typed. Surely it's the general points being made that are important, not petty point scoring on picking people up on trivialities.....
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In my case, Term, I'm sorry because I ought to have specified that I agreed in the main with your statement. That said, my comment -more an addendum than a disagreement- was precisely because I don't think it's a trivial difference we're talking about.
It's one thing to say someone's temporarily short-circuited and acting in a fit of rage (NOT what you meant to imply, I realise), and another very different is to carry out an act like this in a clearly premeditated manner. It's not just me saying that, afaik it's what the law says too.
I think it's important because I don't get the impression we devote that much thought to how a religious extremist could get to the state where he decides to kill a load of people, when probably a lot of the mechanisms that lead to their actions are probably similar.
To make it perfectly clear, whenever I try to find an explanation it's never in an attempt to condone the actions, but to try to best understand the mechanisms that lead people there as a manner of averting them.
It's perfectly legitimate to use the means and resources to stop terrorists trying to act but, imo, in the long term it makes a lot more sense, if possible, to try an act upon the causes rather than the effects.
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