Wump, it was 2018 they stood for, not 2022. But yeah, 2022 was supposed to go to the U.S., so awarding neither to Anglo-Saxondom was beyond the pale.
That's why it's time for football to return to where it belongs. The game needs to return to its spiritual home and to be restored to a purer form. The difficulty is winning it under the rules the cheating thieves have established
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This right here is the problem when you are from a country that suffered (and still suffers) from exploitation and pillaging of a colonial power that is Britain. I can guarantee you that the football is coming home "memes" rubbed virtually everyone the wrong way for the very same reason.
Beyond that, it may have started as a meme but you cannot deny that after they got through the group stage that the meme became much more than just a joke. "football's coming home" I mean, feck off
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posted 3 minutes ago
Wump, it was 2018 they stood for, not 2022. But yeah, 2022 was supposed to go to the U.S., so awarding neither to Anglo-Saxondom was beyond the pale.
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Some of these posts on here are pure trash.
It’s coming home is based on a song which was about Football coming home because the Euros were getting played here cos we invented football - or at least that’s how it’s written in history. Then England fans ironically sing/meme etc its coming home as we know we are nowhere near the worlds elite - yet we still hope that our team could do it because we aren’t that bad and it’s tournament footballl:
Wump, paragraphs 2, 3 and 4 in my reply were direct quotes from the speech PL chairman Sir Dave Richards delivered to FIFA delegates in Doha.
He also complained about 2022 due to an important part of English and German culture involving having having a pint, and that they should be allowed to in Qatar.
After the speech he tripped and fell into an inches-deep pool.
Edin, on 1., good on you for boycotting it then.
On 2, you can tell the world you meant it as a joke, but you can't tell the world how they're supposed to take it.
What nonsense
If people call England fans etc arrogant then we have every right to defend ourselves and explain the joke
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Of course you do. Doesn't invalidate my remark though.
You argue that people are removing or ignoring the immediate context; I'm countering that you're ignoring the fact that there might be a broader context that people don't want to ignore.
You cannot tell people what they can or cannot be offended by. You can disagree, by all means, but you cannot impose your views.
People have difficulty coming to terms with the idea that global communication dies not automatically mean global culture.
To make it clear, I perfectly understand the whole it's coming home thing, but it's fantastically amusing and paradoxical to see you writhing around when the shoe is on the other foot.
This seems very strawman though, I’m not telling people what they can or cannot being offended by. I’m saying that ‘it’s coming home’ is an ironic joke and that saying it isn’t arrogant. That’s all.
The line is quite clear I feel, as hard as it is to be moral all the time the society we live in limits us so much with how technology, clothes, food etc come about
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This is bullsh*t by the way. There are choices to be made in all of the above. Society is just more tolerant towards them.
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comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 4 minutes ago
The line is quite clear I feel, as hard as it is to be moral all the time the society we live in limits us so much with how technology, clothes, food etc come about
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This is bullsh*t by the way. There are choices to be made in all of the above. Society is just more tolerant towards them.
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So if I condemn slave labour for the sake of entertainment, I’m not allowed to have an iPhone and cheap clothes?
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Slavery still exists in different forms and shapes in corners of the world, whilst in the western countries it has evolved (disguised), whereas in middle eat countries exists in old fashioned way, therefore more obvious.
What’s the difference there then ?
You don’t think slavery exists in the western countries?
Cosmix, I'm talking about two separate issues.
It's coming home is one, Qatar is the other.
I don't intend to take any moral high ground on either, because in order to do so I'd have to purport to holding stronger or 'better' beliefs.
I'm just sick to the teeth of others trying to claim it and cry 'whataboutery' when they have their own moral inconsistencies pointed out to them.
Ftr, seeing as you insist on pointing out HR abuses in Qatar, I might as well point out that part of the backdrop to the components in our phones, game consoles, computers, etc., are, along with forced labour the resistance to which is summary execution, the mass rape of people of both sexes and all ages, forced rape amongst siblings and parents/children, forced coprophagia, forced cannibalism, even cases of people forced to eat their own amputated genitalia.
But yeah, it's not big in the news and I need my phone, so I don't have go live with it in the fore of my mind.
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posted 8 minutes ago
You don’t think slavery exists in the western countries?
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I didn't see the relevance in the comment
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IOAG. The fact of the matter is there is no need to have a WC in Qatar, it is what it is. For the sole purpose of entertainment there is a projected 2000 lives expected to be lost with people working in awful conditions.
Whereas things like phones, clothes are much more of a 'need' than a 'want' which is what the Qatari WC definitely is. I need technology to do my job, I need technology to speak to my family etc. While the reality is how we get these things sucks - unfortunately there isn't a platform for us to do otherwise.
On It's coming home, I just find it hilarious that a nation so fond of national stereotyping gets into twists and turns to explain off their own stereotypes when it backfires so spectacularly.
I have no doubt that most of the "F*CKING DIRTY TUNISIANS" quips on the Live footy thread were just meant in jest, but they can be downright disrespectful and offensive to many of us who were brought up being called f*cking dago/spik/p*ki every other day of our childhoods.
As before, you can't just cast off the eye of the beholden.
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posted on 15/7/18
Wump, it was 2018 they stood for, not 2022. But yeah, 2022 was supposed to go to the U.S., so awarding neither to Anglo-Saxondom was beyond the pale.
posted on 15/7/18
That's why it's time for football to return to where it belongs. The game needs to return to its spiritual home and to be restored to a purer form. The difficulty is winning it under the rules the cheating thieves have established
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This right here is the problem when you are from a country that suffered (and still suffers) from exploitation and pillaging of a colonial power that is Britain. I can guarantee you that the football is coming home "memes" rubbed virtually everyone the wrong way for the very same reason.
Beyond that, it may have started as a meme but you cannot deny that after they got through the group stage that the meme became much more than just a joke. "football's coming home" I mean, feck off
posted on 15/7/18
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
Wump, it was 2018 they stood for, not 2022. But yeah, 2022 was supposed to go to the U.S., so awarding neither to Anglo-Saxondom was beyond the pale.
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I stand corrected
posted on 15/7/18
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posted on 15/7/18
Some of these posts on here are pure trash.
It’s coming home is based on a song which was about Football coming home because the Euros were getting played here cos we invented football - or at least that’s how it’s written in history. Then England fans ironically sing/meme etc its coming home as we know we are nowhere near the worlds elite - yet we still hope that our team could do it because we aren’t that bad and it’s tournament footballl:
posted on 15/7/18
Wump, paragraphs 2, 3 and 4 in my reply were direct quotes from the speech PL chairman Sir Dave Richards delivered to FIFA delegates in Doha.
He also complained about 2022 due to an important part of English and German culture involving having having a pint, and that they should be allowed to in Qatar.
After the speech he tripped and fell into an inches-deep pool.
posted on 15/7/18
Edin, on 1., good on you for boycotting it then.
On 2, you can tell the world you meant it as a joke, but you can't tell the world how they're supposed to take it.
posted on 15/7/18
What nonsense
If people call England fans etc arrogant then we have every right to defend ourselves and explain the joke
posted on 15/7/18
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posted on 15/7/18
Of course you do. Doesn't invalidate my remark though.
You argue that people are removing or ignoring the immediate context; I'm countering that you're ignoring the fact that there might be a broader context that people don't want to ignore.
You cannot tell people what they can or cannot be offended by. You can disagree, by all means, but you cannot impose your views.
People have difficulty coming to terms with the idea that global communication dies not automatically mean global culture.
To make it clear, I perfectly understand the whole it's coming home thing, but it's fantastically amusing and paradoxical to see you writhing around when the shoe is on the other foot.
posted on 15/7/18
This seems very strawman though, I’m not telling people what they can or cannot being offended by. I’m saying that ‘it’s coming home’ is an ironic joke and that saying it isn’t arrogant. That’s all.
posted on 15/7/18
The line is quite clear I feel, as hard as it is to be moral all the time the society we live in limits us so much with how technology, clothes, food etc come about
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This is bullsh*t by the way. There are choices to be made in all of the above. Society is just more tolerant towards them.
posted on 15/7/18
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posted on 15/7/18
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 4 minutes ago
The line is quite clear I feel, as hard as it is to be moral all the time the society we live in limits us so much with how technology, clothes, food etc come about
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This is bullsh*t by the way. There are choices to be made in all of the above. Society is just more tolerant towards them.
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So if I condemn slave labour for the sake of entertainment, I’m not allowed to have an iPhone and cheap clothes?
posted on 15/7/18
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 15/7/18
Slavery still exists in different forms and shapes in corners of the world, whilst in the western countries it has evolved (disguised), whereas in middle eat countries exists in old fashioned way, therefore more obvious.
What’s the difference there then ?
posted on 15/7/18
Lol
posted on 15/7/18
You don’t think slavery exists in the western countries?
posted on 15/7/18
Cosmix, I'm talking about two separate issues.
It's coming home is one, Qatar is the other.
I don't intend to take any moral high ground on either, because in order to do so I'd have to purport to holding stronger or 'better' beliefs.
I'm just sick to the teeth of others trying to claim it and cry 'whataboutery' when they have their own moral inconsistencies pointed out to them.
Ftr, seeing as you insist on pointing out HR abuses in Qatar, I might as well point out that part of the backdrop to the components in our phones, game consoles, computers, etc., are, along with forced labour the resistance to which is summary execution, the mass rape of people of both sexes and all ages, forced rape amongst siblings and parents/children, forced coprophagia, forced cannibalism, even cases of people forced to eat their own amputated genitalia.
But yeah, it's not big in the news and I need my phone, so I don't have go live with it in the fore of my mind.
posted on 15/7/18
comment by Sarri Conte= eism (U20893)
posted 8 minutes ago
You don’t think slavery exists in the western countries?
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I didn't see the relevance in the comment
posted on 15/7/18
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posted on 15/7/18
IOAG. The fact of the matter is there is no need to have a WC in Qatar, it is what it is. For the sole purpose of entertainment there is a projected 2000 lives expected to be lost with people working in awful conditions.
Whereas things like phones, clothes are much more of a 'need' than a 'want' which is what the Qatari WC definitely is. I need technology to do my job, I need technology to speak to my family etc. While the reality is how we get these things sucks - unfortunately there isn't a platform for us to do otherwise.
posted on 15/7/18
On It's coming home, I just find it hilarious that a nation so fond of national stereotyping gets into twists and turns to explain off their own stereotypes when it backfires so spectacularly.
I have no doubt that most of the "F*CKING DIRTY TUNISIANS" quips on the Live footy thread were just meant in jest, but they can be downright disrespectful and offensive to many of us who were brought up being called f*cking dago/spik/p*ki every other day of our childhoods.
As before, you can't just cast off the eye of the beholden.
posted on 15/7/18
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