Watch that 6-second video then. It's clear as day.
Welbeck plays the 'keeper, and by no means does he play the ball.

He simply jumps into De Gea and bundles him over, at no point looking to play the ball. What is it that's so hard to see?

It would be a foul regardless of where on the pitch it occurred and which players were involved.

Why is it him jumping into DDG and not the other way around? What if DDG bundled Welbeck over, would it have been a pen?

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 9 minutes ago
Why is it him jumping into DDG and not the other way around? What if DDG bundled Welbeck over, would it have been a pen?
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yeah agree, if anything welbeck hops infront of DDG and DDG's momentum takes him over the top of welbeck. Clumsy keeping.

There is a weird unwritten rule in football that if you impede the keeper in anyway, even if they run directly at you, then it's a foul.

If that was basketball a charge would have been given as Welbz had set his feet.

What if DDG bundled Welbeck over, would it have been a peno?

As mentioned above, it's a foul when a player jumps into another without the slightest intention of playing the ball - regardless of which players are involved and where on the pitch the action takes place.

So yes, of course - if Welbeck had jumped to head the ball, and De Gea had no option of playing the ball and simply went into the player, it ought to be a penalty.

Not only is it a clear obstruction; it can also be downright dangerous to tip an opponent off balance and rolling him over your back.

Yeah it is a bit bizarre how protected keepers are.

They get to use all their body, are usually the biggest players on the pitch, usually the most heavy handed too.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
What if DDG bundled Welbeck over, would it have been a peno?

As mentioned above, it's a foul when a player jumps into another without the slightest intention of playing the ball - regardless of which players are involved and where on the pitch the action takes place.

So yes, of course - if Welbeck had jumped to head the ball, and De Gea had no option of playing the ball and simply went into the player, it ought to be a penalty.

Not only is it a clear obstruction; it can also be downright dangerous to tip an opponent off balance and rolling him over your back.

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Don't get what any of that has to do with the welbeck DDG incident you linked too. You are describing something else.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 9 minutes ago
Why is it him jumping into DDG and not the other way around? What if DDG bundled Welbeck over, would it have been a pen?
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yeah agree, if anything welbeck hops infront of DDG and DDG's momentum takes him over the top of welbeck. Clumsy keeping.
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You're either blind or absolutely clueless.

Why not try watching through the footage nice and slow.

By the time Welbeck jumps, De Gea is already airborne before Welbeck jumps into him. Welbeck collides with De Gea's hips when the ball is about one and a half metres above DW's head. How the hell does that equate to clumsy keeping, and how the hell is DDG supposed to avoid the collision, which is brought about exclusively by his opponent jumping into him without any hope or prayer of playing the ball?

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
What if DDG bundled Welbeck over, would it have been a peno?

As mentioned above, it's a foul when a player jumps into another without the slightest intention of playing the ball - regardless of which players are involved and where on the pitch the action takes place.

So yes, of course - if Welbeck had jumped to head the ball, and De Gea had no option of playing the ball and simply went into the player, it ought to be a penalty.

Not only is it a clear obstruction; it can also be downright dangerous to tip an opponent off balance and rolling him over your back.

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Don't get what any of that has to do with the welbeck DDG incident you linked too. You are describing something else.
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The question I typed is the one Edin asked me in a previous post. Get it now?

I'm just pleased De Gea finally had a good game in a Spain jersey

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
What if DDG bundled Welbeck over, would it have been a peno?

As mentioned above, it's a foul when a player jumps into another without the slightest intention of playing the ball - regardless of which players are involved and where on the pitch the action takes place.

So yes, of course - if Welbeck had jumped to head the ball, and De Gea had no option of playing the ball and simply went into the player, it ought to be a penalty.

Not only is it a clear obstruction; it can also be downright dangerous to tip an opponent off balance and rolling him over your back.

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Don't get what any of that has to do with the welbeck DDG incident you linked too. You are describing something else.
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The question I typed is the one Edin asked me in a previous post. Get it now?
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But you have not talked about the welbeck ddg incident, I mean you've twisted it in ways that suit your argument, but that's not the way it goes down. For example it starts with :

"As mentioned above, it's a foul when a player jumps into another without the slightest intention of playing the ball"

This isn't what really happens, if anything DDG's momentum takes him into where welbeck jumps, although it's more of a little hop.

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 12 minutes ago
There is a weird unwritten rule in football that if you impede the keeper in anyway, even if they run directly at you, then it's a foul.

If that was basketball a charge would have been given as Welbz had set his feet.
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Ffs, Edin, are you being intentionally obtuse here?

if anything it looks like welbeck tries to cower and pull away from DDG

Strewth.

Indeed

How I saw the incident:

Welbeck when going for the ball pushes Ramos out the way (foul) and then charges towards it.

Sees DDG leap into the air to get it, his momentum carries him through and he cowers away to stop himself getting clattered in the face. DDG over-commits to catch the ball and ends up spilling it on Welbeck and then Welbeck knocks it in.

I thought Welbeck pushed Ramos on the build-up so thought that was a foul. I don't really care much about the incident aside from that. Certainly not enough to throw strops such as:

"You're either blind or absolutely clueless.

Why not try watching through the footage nice and slow."

"Ffs, Edin, are you being intentionally obtuse here?"

"Strewth"

And so on

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
On a completely separate note, can't for the life of me understand how Kane, Southgate, the pundits and the UK media in general can't see the foul on De Gea the other night. It's clear as day that Welbeck moves into De Gea and tips him off balance. Someone tell me how this isn't a foul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM9jz42vXUk

What surprises me most about it is how unanimously it was proclaimed a clean challenge. Beggars belief, really.


Come to think of it though, maybe I shouldn't be so surprised considering the appalling bias the UK media showed in England's World Cup games, particularly as concerns the gamesmanship of the England players.
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+10000

people are blind in England to these things unfortunately

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
How I saw the incident:

Welbeck when going for the ball pushes Ramos out the way (foul) and then charges towards it.

Sees DDG leap into the air to get it, his momentum carries him through and he cowers away to stop himself getting clattered in the face. DDG over-commits to catch the ball and ends up spilling it on Welbeck and then Welbeck knocks it in.

I thought Welbeck pushed Ramos on the build-up so thought that was a foul. I don't really care much about the incident aside from that. Certainly not enough to throw strops such as:

"You're either blind or absolutely clueless.

Why not try watching through the footage nice and slow."

"Ffs, Edin, are you being intentionally obtuse here?"

"Strewth"

And so on
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Not worth insisting any further, since I provided the footage and you still don't care to see it.

As a aside re your other comments:

1. As originally stated, this would have been a foul regardless of the players and area of the pitch involved.

2. In support of the above, look up FIFA rules on impeding a player

3. Look up rules on impeding the goalkeeper as to whether or not there's anything in the book specifically about impeding the goalkeeper

4. Out of curiosity (because I genuinely don't know), since you brought it up, what moment is it that defines the player's position in basketball reagrding charging and the defender having his feet planted? Is it the moment the contact is made, or is it the moment the attacking player is airborne?

With regards to the basketball one, I actually thought after I posted it the player has to take the contact straight on. With Welbz having his back turned it probs means it isn't a charge no matter what.

Ok, well it was just an aside anyway, as it's a different sport.

I read up albeit briefly afterwards and it seems the rule leaves a bit of a grey area that opens it up somewhat to the officials' interpretation.

Either way, back to the game, and it seems blatantly obvious to me that DW was in no position whatsoever to play the ball. Even if he did try to back out of the challenge, he only did so when it was too late and the collision was inevitable.

Any other area of the pitch and you'd say he was late to the challenge, as he's still about a metre and a half away from the ball when DDG catches it. Honestly don't see why it should be considered otherwise here.

In fact, if the ball hadn't fallen to Welbs to tap into the net and England hadn't been a goal down deep into injury time, I seriously doubt anyone would have had any complaint whatsoever for a foul being called.

Serie A and La Liga being on eleven sports is really killing my enjoyment of football this season. Not enough variety and don't really want to pay out for eleven sports when it isn't on tv platform just yet.

Welbeck was trying to play the ball. He’s just shiiiiiiit.

He’s gonna play the ball with his backside ?

It’s Welbeck.