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What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
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Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
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Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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I think people are missing the point of a release clause
If you set it at 222m like someone suggested then his wages will need to reflect this ie neymars wages
Even at 100m he can demand 250k a week
I'd say 60m buy out and pay him 150k a week or thereabouts
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comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
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What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
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Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
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Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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The player and the club with an agreed release fee. Obviously.
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In truth, isn't that what we really have today OBVIOUSLY?
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comment by No Love - "The Scousification of the Media" (U1282)
posted 41 minutes ago
The situation can be salvaged by offering wages that will make Juve grimace.
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What, £50,000 per week?
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Depends.
If Klopp is desperate for him to stay then whatever it takes.
Can will now become world class as he leaves Liverpool but I'd rather we stuck to our own ideas of what we think he's worth to the team. Let's be honest, we haven't been enthusiastically breaking the bank in his contract talks and Klopp doesn't even play him in his favourite position.
Furthermore, I have no doubt that Klopp will replace him with an equal or better player if he leaves. The only gripe would then be losing him on a free, not losing him in itself.
Overall it's still terrible contract management from us though.
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comment by Globaled (U7198)
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posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
Great teams
What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
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Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
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Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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The player and the club with an agreed release fee. Obviously.
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In truth, isn't that what we really have today OBVIOUSLY?
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Yep. Coutinho agreed to the 120 million fee. That's why he's at Barca.
If he'd had a clause, you know, the ones we're talking about. He'd be a Barca player right now.
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Not necessarily, greatteams, it depends on the terms of the contract. If the term reads, "if £xxxx price is offered LFC must sell" then he is sold. Alternatively, if the term reads something like, "if £xxx price is offered LFC must consider the offer (or similar wording)" then we are into negotiation stage where he might or might not be sold.
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comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
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What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
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Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
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Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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The player and the club with an agreed release fee. Obviously.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
In truth, isn't that what we really have today OBVIOUSLY?
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Yep. Coutinho agreed to the 120 million fee. That's why he's at Barca.
If he'd had a clause, you know, the ones we're talking about. He'd be a Barca player right now.
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Not necessarily, greatteams, it depends on the terms of the contract. If the term reads, "if £xxxx price is offered LFC must sell" then he is sold. Alternatively, if the term reads something like, "if £xxx price is offered LFC must consider the offer (or similar wording)" then we are into negotiation stage where he might or might not be sold.
JimmyTheRed
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That is a pointless clause. Offer of £50m comes in...I've considered the offer, no thanks. Done. I doubt such a clause exists.
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comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
well suarez had one..
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No. Suarez had a clause meaning the club had to accept an offer of £40m or more. That's why Arsenal bid(let's not get into the +£1). The owners didn't allow it to happen. Suarez could have then took it to court but despite his threats to do so, he didn't. Arsenal couldn't do anything as it was between the player and the club.
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comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
Great teams
What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
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Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
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Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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The player and the club with an agreed release fee. Obviously.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
In truth, isn't that what we really have today OBVIOUSLY?
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Yep. Coutinho agreed to the 120 million fee. That's why he's at Barca.
If he'd had a clause, you know, the ones we're talking about. He'd be a Barca player right now.
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Not necessarily, greatteams, it depends on the terms of the contract. If the term reads, "if £xxxx price is offered LFC must sell" then he is sold. Alternatively, if the term reads something like, "if £xxx price is offered LFC must consider the offer (or similar wording)" then we are into negotiation stage where he might or might not be sold.
JimmyTheRed
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Clearly I'm talking about a legit release clause.
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Thank you JimmyTheRed! Clearly "Greatteams" understanding of how deals are made is shallow.
Obviously the best situation would be if the team making the offer(Barca) was happy, and the team receiving the offer(LFC) was happy, and the player involved(Coutinho) was happy, then he would be playing for Barcelona!
I would venture a guess that right now, all involved are unhappy?
Enough already "Greatteams"! Have a happy day.
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comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
Great teams
What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
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Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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The player and the club with an agreed release fee. Obviously.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
In truth, isn't that what we really have today OBVIOUSLY?
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Yep. Coutinho agreed to the 120 million fee. That's why he's at Barca.
If he'd had a clause, you know, the ones we're talking about. He'd be a Barca player right now.
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Not necessarily, greatteams, it depends on the terms of the contract. If the term reads, "if £xxxx price is offered LFC must sell" then he is sold. Alternatively, if the term reads something like, "if £xxx price is offered LFC must consider the offer (or similar wording)" then we are into negotiation stage where he might or might not be sold.
JimmyTheRed
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That is a pointless clause. Offer of £50m comes in...I've considered the offer, no thanks. Done. I doubt such a clause exists.
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Ever heard of a guy called Suarez?
Buy-out clause - £40M.
Arsenal offer £40M + (believe it or not)£1.
LFC, by the terms of the contract are, quote, "required to consider" and it appears they did. That's all they were required to do, and, they did. Then they told Arsenal to fekof. Which they did too.
JimmyTheRed
It all comes down to what is in black and white in the contract terms.
Yes there may be implied terms, terms that, without really thinking, would apply, such as a player refusing, without reasonable cause, to turn out for the club. Possible breach and resultant fine.
JimmyTheRed
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comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
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What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
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Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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The player and the club with an agreed release fee. Obviously.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
In truth, isn't that what we really have today OBVIOUSLY?
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Yep. Coutinho agreed to the 120 million fee. That's why he's at Barca.
If he'd had a clause, you know, the ones we're talking about. He'd be a Barca player right now.
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Not necessarily, greatteams, it depends on the terms of the contract. If the term reads, "if £xxxx price is offered LFC must sell" then he is sold. Alternatively, if the term reads something like, "if £xxx price is offered LFC must consider the offer (or similar wording)" then we are into negotiation stage where he might or might not be sold.
JimmyTheRed
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That is a pointless clause. Offer of £50m comes in...I've considered the offer, no thanks. Done. I doubt such a clause exists.
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Ever heard of a guy called Suarez?
Buy-out clause - £40M.
Arsenal offer £40M + (believe it or not)£1.
LFC, by the terms of the contract are, quote, "required to consider" and it appears they did. That's all they were required to do, and, they did. Then they told Arsenal to fekof. Which they did too.
JimmyTheRed
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Jimmy there was no such clause. Why would you have a clause which says one must consider an offer? All offers are considered, you don't need a clause for that.
The clause was that Liverpool had to accept offers at £40m and over. The clause existed between the club and Suarez and therefore when Arsenal offered it and Liverpool rejected it became a legal matter between player and club which the player decided not to pursue despite the threat to do so.
Go read up on it before repeating the same again.
Suarez called in experts and lawyers from the FA who said that Liverpool had no obligation to sell at any price, no?
TOOR, point taken friend. Like yourself, I suspect, I am relying on press reports, and the ones at the time I read strongly suggested it was a "requirement to consider" any offer, and allegedly, they did and rejected.
JimmyTheRed
comment by JimmyTheRed (U1682)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
TOOR, point taken friend. Like yourself, I suspect, I am relying on press reports, and the ones at the time I read strongly suggested it was a "requirement to consider" any offer, and allegedly, they did and rejected.
JimmyTheRed
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I'm not going by the media. I'm going by what John Henry said.
"Luis Suarez is the top scorer in the English Premier League which is arguably the top soccer league in the world," Henry said.
"And he had a buy-out clause - I don't know what degree I should go into this - but he had a buy-out clause of £40million - more than 60 million (US) dollars. So Arsenal, one of our prime rivals this year... they offered £40million and one pound for him and triggered his buy-out clause."
They said his clause was triggered. They decided the weren't allowing it anyhow. Due to the clause being between player and club, Arsenal nor the FA were able to force it through. It was down to a legal dispute between player and club which would have had to be settled in court, which Suarez didn't pursue.
There is no such clause which says an offer has to be considered as that's a ridiculous clause which means nothing. All offers are considered.
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comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
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comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
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What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
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Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
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Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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I think people are missing the point of a release clause
If you set it at 222m like someone suggested then his wages will need to reflect this ie neymars wages
Even at 100m he can demand 250k a week
I'd say 60m buy out and pay him 150k a week or thereabouts
posted on 7/9/17
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
Great teams
What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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The player and the club with an agreed release fee. Obviously.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
In truth, isn't that what we really have today OBVIOUSLY?
posted on 7/9/17
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comment by Ttliv87 (U11882)
comment by No Love - "The Scousification of the Media" (U1282)
posted 41 minutes ago
The situation can be salvaged by offering wages that will make Juve grimace.
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What, £50,000 per week?
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Depends.
If Klopp is desperate for him to stay then whatever it takes.
Can will now become world class as he leaves Liverpool but I'd rather we stuck to our own ideas of what we think he's worth to the team. Let's be honest, we haven't been enthusiastically breaking the bank in his contract talks and Klopp doesn't even play him in his favourite position.
Furthermore, I have no doubt that Klopp will replace him with an equal or better player if he leaves. The only gripe would then be losing him on a free, not losing him in itself.
Overall it's still terrible contract management from us though.
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posted 7 hours ago
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posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
Great teams
What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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The player and the club with an agreed release fee. Obviously.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
In truth, isn't that what we really have today OBVIOUSLY?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep. Coutinho agreed to the 120 million fee. That's why he's at Barca.
If he'd had a clause, you know, the ones we're talking about. He'd be a Barca player right now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not necessarily, greatteams, it depends on the terms of the contract. If the term reads, "if £xxxx price is offered LFC must sell" then he is sold. Alternatively, if the term reads something like, "if £xxx price is offered LFC must consider the offer (or similar wording)" then we are into negotiation stage where he might or might not be sold.
JimmyTheRed
posted on 7/9/17
comment by JimmyTheRed (U1682)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
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posted 7 hours ago
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posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
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What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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The player and the club with an agreed release fee. Obviously.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
In truth, isn't that what we really have today OBVIOUSLY?
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Yep. Coutinho agreed to the 120 million fee. That's why he's at Barca.
If he'd had a clause, you know, the ones we're talking about. He'd be a Barca player right now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not necessarily, greatteams, it depends on the terms of the contract. If the term reads, "if £xxxx price is offered LFC must sell" then he is sold. Alternatively, if the term reads something like, "if £xxx price is offered LFC must consider the offer (or similar wording)" then we are into negotiation stage where he might or might not be sold.
JimmyTheRed
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That is a pointless clause. Offer of £50m comes in...I've considered the offer, no thanks. Done. I doubt such a clause exists.
posted on 7/9/17
well suarez had one..
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well suarez had one..
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No. Suarez had a clause meaning the club had to accept an offer of £40m or more. That's why Arsenal bid(let's not get into the +£1). The owners didn't allow it to happen. Suarez could have then took it to court but despite his threats to do so, he didn't. Arsenal couldn't do anything as it was between the player and the club.
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posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
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posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
Great teams
What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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The player and the club with an agreed release fee. Obviously.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
In truth, isn't that what we really have today OBVIOUSLY?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep. Coutinho agreed to the 120 million fee. That's why he's at Barca.
If he'd had a clause, you know, the ones we're talking about. He'd be a Barca player right now.
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Not necessarily, greatteams, it depends on the terms of the contract. If the term reads, "if £xxxx price is offered LFC must sell" then he is sold. Alternatively, if the term reads something like, "if £xxx price is offered LFC must consider the offer (or similar wording)" then we are into negotiation stage where he might or might not be sold.
JimmyTheRed
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Clearly I'm talking about a legit release clause.
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Thank you JimmyTheRed! Clearly "Greatteams" understanding of how deals are made is shallow.
Obviously the best situation would be if the team making the offer(Barca) was happy, and the team receiving the offer(LFC) was happy, and the player involved(Coutinho) was happy, then he would be playing for Barcelona!
I would venture a guess that right now, all involved are unhappy?
Enough already "Greatteams"! Have a happy day.
posted on 7/9/17
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 12 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by JimmyTheRed (U1682)
posted 28 minutes ago
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comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 7 hours ago
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posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
Great teams
What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
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Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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The player and the club with an agreed release fee. Obviously.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
In truth, isn't that what we really have today OBVIOUSLY?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep. Coutinho agreed to the 120 million fee. That's why he's at Barca.
If he'd had a clause, you know, the ones we're talking about. He'd be a Barca player right now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not necessarily, greatteams, it depends on the terms of the contract. If the term reads, "if £xxxx price is offered LFC must sell" then he is sold. Alternatively, if the term reads something like, "if £xxx price is offered LFC must consider the offer (or similar wording)" then we are into negotiation stage where he might or might not be sold.
JimmyTheRed
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That is a pointless clause. Offer of £50m comes in...I've considered the offer, no thanks. Done. I doubt such a clause exists.
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Ever heard of a guy called Suarez?
Buy-out clause - £40M.
Arsenal offer £40M + (believe it or not)£1.
LFC, by the terms of the contract are, quote, "required to consider" and it appears they did. That's all they were required to do, and, they did. Then they told Arsenal to fekof. Which they did too.
JimmyTheRed
posted on 7/9/17
It all comes down to what is in black and white in the contract terms.
Yes there may be implied terms, terms that, without really thinking, would apply, such as a player refusing, without reasonable cause, to turn out for the club. Possible breach and resultant fine.
JimmyTheRed
posted on 7/9/17
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posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
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comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
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What's the difference between the clause Suarez had and the one Can wants. If any.
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Nobody really seems too sure on what Suarez had in his deal. Various reports suggest that there was nothing contractually obliging, more an agreement. Can could quite easily get a contract that means we have to sell should the right bid come in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who gets to decide what "the right bid" is?
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The player and the club with an agreed release fee. Obviously.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
In truth, isn't that what we really have today OBVIOUSLY?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep. Coutinho agreed to the 120 million fee. That's why he's at Barca.
If he'd had a clause, you know, the ones we're talking about. He'd be a Barca player right now.
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Not necessarily, greatteams, it depends on the terms of the contract. If the term reads, "if £xxxx price is offered LFC must sell" then he is sold. Alternatively, if the term reads something like, "if £xxx price is offered LFC must consider the offer (or similar wording)" then we are into negotiation stage where he might or might not be sold.
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That is a pointless clause. Offer of £50m comes in...I've considered the offer, no thanks. Done. I doubt such a clause exists.
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Ever heard of a guy called Suarez?
Buy-out clause - £40M.
Arsenal offer £40M + (believe it or not)£1.
LFC, by the terms of the contract are, quote, "required to consider" and it appears they did. That's all they were required to do, and, they did. Then they told Arsenal to fekof. Which they did too.
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Jimmy there was no such clause. Why would you have a clause which says one must consider an offer? All offers are considered, you don't need a clause for that.
The clause was that Liverpool had to accept offers at £40m and over. The clause existed between the club and Suarez and therefore when Arsenal offered it and Liverpool rejected it became a legal matter between player and club which the player decided not to pursue despite the threat to do so.
Go read up on it before repeating the same again.
posted on 8/9/17
Suarez called in experts and lawyers from the FA who said that Liverpool had no obligation to sell at any price, no?
posted on 8/9/17
TOOR, point taken friend. Like yourself, I suspect, I am relying on press reports, and the ones at the time I read strongly suggested it was a "requirement to consider" any offer, and allegedly, they did and rejected.
JimmyTheRed
posted on 8/9/17
comment by JimmyTheRed (U1682)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
TOOR, point taken friend. Like yourself, I suspect, I am relying on press reports, and the ones at the time I read strongly suggested it was a "requirement to consider" any offer, and allegedly, they did and rejected.
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I'm not going by the media. I'm going by what John Henry said.
"Luis Suarez is the top scorer in the English Premier League which is arguably the top soccer league in the world," Henry said.
"And he had a buy-out clause - I don't know what degree I should go into this - but he had a buy-out clause of £40million - more than 60 million (US) dollars. So Arsenal, one of our prime rivals this year... they offered £40million and one pound for him and triggered his buy-out clause."
They said his clause was triggered. They decided the weren't allowing it anyhow. Due to the clause being between player and club, Arsenal nor the FA were able to force it through. It was down to a legal dispute between player and club which would have had to be settled in court, which Suarez didn't pursue.
There is no such clause which says an offer has to be considered as that's a ridiculous clause which means nothing. All offers are considered.
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