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comment by Ace (U18814)
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comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 22 seconds ago
Not that this is a point scoring exercise though, just think if there is a god, he's got a sick sense of humour
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Arguing the toss about whether there is or isn't a god, especially on the Internet, is one of the most pointless things you can do with your life. Just accept people's differences and do your own thing, you'll never convince a stranger online to come round to your way of thinking any more than they will convince you to come to theirs.
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Agree with that, but it started when Bobby proclaimed that that cancer proved there wasn't a God. A counter argument, based on faith, was put, and others piled in with their easy option, not thought through views.
I'm happy to end it there.
Never meant to take this off topic, if people want to believe in God, ghosts, fairies, pixies, elfs, goblins, leprechauns or whatever, who am I to deny them that right?
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 26 minutes ago
My take on it is, death is an absolute guarantee for all of us, probably the only one. Lots of people say they'd just like to go peacefully in their sleep. Apart from the fact that is an extreme rarity, it's also too spontaneous for me. Death is something I'd prefer to prepare for, rather than keeling over unexpectedly with a stroke of being killed in a car crash. The small mercy of cancer is, it gives you that - along with palliative symptom meds being very effective these days. But when I say I'd rather prepare for it, I mean in my mid 80's or thereabouts, not when you're a young man with a young family like this poor barstard.
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My wife was diagnosed with grade 3 breast cancer in 2005. My daughter was 8 at the time. With only a 20% survival rate after 5 years I thought we were preparing for the worst. After operations, chemo, radiotherapy, and countless trips to hospitals. Watching my wife go through all of that, I’d take a good old fashioned heart attack any day.
I’m happy to say that 12 years on she’s still fighting the good fight.
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I’d rather go suddenly personally. Hopefully not for a long long time yet.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
I’d rather go suddenly personally. Hopefully not for a long long time yet.
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That's a difficult one TBH
Going quick would also be my choice, but it gives loved ones no time to prepare. I watch my both my parents suffer for years before they died, and I wouldn't wish that on anybody. But there is always a silver lining to these things. We all had time to prepare and had done the grieving before they passed. In my dad's case, my first reaction, completely involuntary, when he went, was to smile because it meant he was no longer suffering after 14 years of Parkonson's Disease.
comment by theresgonnaebeashow (U5686)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
I’d rather go suddenly personally. Hopefully not for a long long time yet.
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That's a difficult one TBH
Going quick would also be my choice, but it gives loved ones no time to prepare. I watch my both my parents suffer for years before they died, and I wouldn't wish that on anybody. But there is always a silver lining to these things. We all had time to prepare and had done the grieving before they passed. In my dad's case, my first reaction, completely involuntary, when he went, was to smile because it meant he was no longer suffering after 14 years of Parkonson's Disease.
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I personally think it would be worse to watch someone suffer than have them pass suddenly imo.
Luckily so far in my lifetime I haven’t had to witness either with anyone close to me since I’ve been old enough to understand anyway.
My grandad currently has Alzheimer’s and doesn’t recognize anyone other than my grandmother anymore but he is still physically in decent shape for his age and still seems happy always which isn’t too bad.
Motor neurone is the worst. Watched a good friend go with that. Horrible, just horrible.
comment by theresgonnaebeashow (U5686)
posted 1 minute ago
Motor neurone is the worst. Watched a good friend go with that. Horrible, just horrible.
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I can only imagine
Sh¡t he's my age! Pancreatic cancer is horrific. I know it's already been said, but from my experience (funeral director) there's two types(might be wrong), one that kills you in weeks, one in months.
My 89 year old neighbour just died from it, so he had a decent innings. Thoughts are with Millers family,and him, poor lad.
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 26 minutes ago
My take on it is, death is an absolute guarantee for all of us, probably the only one. Lots of people say they'd just like to go peacefully in their sleep. Apart from the fact that is an extreme rarity, it's also too spontaneous for me. Death is something I'd prefer to prepare for, rather than keeling over unexpectedly with a stroke of being killed in a car crash. The small mercy of cancer is, it gives you that - along with palliative symptom meds being very effective these days. But when I say I'd rather prepare for it, I mean in my mid 80's or thereabouts, not when you're a young man with a young family like this poor barstard.
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My wife was diagnosed with grade 3 breast cancer in 2005. My daughter was 8 at the time. With only a 20% survival rate after 5 years I thought we were preparing for the worst. After operations, chemo, radiotherapy, and countless trips to hospitals. Watching my wife go through all of that, I’d take a good old fashioned heart attack any day.
I’m happy to say that 12 years on she’s still fighting the good fight.
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Pleased to hear it
I meant cancer in its terminal phase, not curative treatment like your wife had. As far as that goes, I know it's rough, but if it works it's worth it. When it becomes futile, doctors are generally good at advising people to cut their losses and enjoy what time they've got. A friend of mine got that advice, she spent a week writing letters, recording videos for her grandchildren, planning her funeral etc, put all that stuff in a box in the loft, forgot about it and enjoyed the next 8/9 months as much as she could. A sudden death doesn't give you that.
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It doesn’t. But watching a loved one go through that hell is no fun. My wife was ‘lucky’, my dad wasn’t. The six months it took him to die in the most painful, undignified way imaginable was pretty hard to watch.
I totally respect how you feel, but I wouldn’t want to put my loved ones through that.
I must know about half a dozen people who had cancer, including my mother, and only one has died of it. Thankfully, not my mother, but her brother wasn't as lucky. Having said that, the majority of the cancer sufferers that I know are/were into old age of 79 plus. Only one that was really young, a friend of mine who was about 20. Thankfully he fully recovered.
Cancer care and treatment seems to have come on leaps and bounds over the past 20 years or so.
Out of all the possible ways to die, from a personal point of view, suicide is the most difficult to understand and come to terms with.
Guys
This is a great discussion, very cathartic and all that, but Liam is still with us, and with our support and prayers, if you're that way inclined, you never know.
Johnny Hartson was very touched by the love he got from these boards, so let's do the same for Liam, eh.
Cancer can go fahuck itself.
I hope the treatment works for Liam.
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 23 hours, 40 minutes ago
And people will still insist that there is a god
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If there is a God he's a sick f*ck with a warped sense of humour, but how could a benevolent "God" allow the world to get to what it is today, baffling thought.
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posted on 13/11/17
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 22 seconds ago
Not that this is a point scoring exercise though, just think if there is a god, he's got a sick sense of humour
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Arguing the toss about whether there is or isn't a god, especially on the Internet, is one of the most pointless things you can do with your life. Just accept people's differences and do your own thing, you'll never convince a stranger online to come round to your way of thinking any more than they will convince you to come to theirs.
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Agree with that, but it started when Bobby proclaimed that that cancer proved there wasn't a God. A counter argument, based on faith, was put, and others piled in with their easy option, not thought through views.
I'm happy to end it there.
posted on 13/11/17
Never meant to take this off topic, if people want to believe in God, ghosts, fairies, pixies, elfs, goblins, leprechauns or whatever, who am I to deny them that right?
posted on 13/11/17
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 26 minutes ago
My take on it is, death is an absolute guarantee for all of us, probably the only one. Lots of people say they'd just like to go peacefully in their sleep. Apart from the fact that is an extreme rarity, it's also too spontaneous for me. Death is something I'd prefer to prepare for, rather than keeling over unexpectedly with a stroke of being killed in a car crash. The small mercy of cancer is, it gives you that - along with palliative symptom meds being very effective these days. But when I say I'd rather prepare for it, I mean in my mid 80's or thereabouts, not when you're a young man with a young family like this poor barstard.
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My wife was diagnosed with grade 3 breast cancer in 2005. My daughter was 8 at the time. With only a 20% survival rate after 5 years I thought we were preparing for the worst. After operations, chemo, radiotherapy, and countless trips to hospitals. Watching my wife go through all of that, I’d take a good old fashioned heart attack any day.
I’m happy to say that 12 years on she’s still fighting the good fight.
posted on 13/11/17
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posted on 13/11/17
I’d rather go suddenly personally. Hopefully not for a long long time yet.
posted on 13/11/17
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
I’d rather go suddenly personally. Hopefully not for a long long time yet.
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That's a difficult one TBH
Going quick would also be my choice, but it gives loved ones no time to prepare. I watch my both my parents suffer for years before they died, and I wouldn't wish that on anybody. But there is always a silver lining to these things. We all had time to prepare and had done the grieving before they passed. In my dad's case, my first reaction, completely involuntary, when he went, was to smile because it meant he was no longer suffering after 14 years of Parkonson's Disease.
posted on 13/11/17
comment by theresgonnaebeashow (U5686)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
I’d rather go suddenly personally. Hopefully not for a long long time yet.
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That's a difficult one TBH
Going quick would also be my choice, but it gives loved ones no time to prepare. I watch my both my parents suffer for years before they died, and I wouldn't wish that on anybody. But there is always a silver lining to these things. We all had time to prepare and had done the grieving before they passed. In my dad's case, my first reaction, completely involuntary, when he went, was to smile because it meant he was no longer suffering after 14 years of Parkonson's Disease.
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I personally think it would be worse to watch someone suffer than have them pass suddenly imo.
Luckily so far in my lifetime I haven’t had to witness either with anyone close to me since I’ve been old enough to understand anyway.
My grandad currently has Alzheimer’s and doesn’t recognize anyone other than my grandmother anymore but he is still physically in decent shape for his age and still seems happy always which isn’t too bad.
posted on 13/11/17
Motor neurone is the worst. Watched a good friend go with that. Horrible, just horrible.
posted on 13/11/17
comment by theresgonnaebeashow (U5686)
posted 1 minute ago
Motor neurone is the worst. Watched a good friend go with that. Horrible, just horrible.
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I can only imagine
posted on 13/11/17
Sh¡t he's my age! Pancreatic cancer is horrific. I know it's already been said, but from my experience (funeral director) there's two types(might be wrong), one that kills you in weeks, one in months.
My 89 year old neighbour just died from it, so he had a decent innings. Thoughts are with Millers family,and him, poor lad.
posted on 13/11/17
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 26 minutes ago
My take on it is, death is an absolute guarantee for all of us, probably the only one. Lots of people say they'd just like to go peacefully in their sleep. Apart from the fact that is an extreme rarity, it's also too spontaneous for me. Death is something I'd prefer to prepare for, rather than keeling over unexpectedly with a stroke of being killed in a car crash. The small mercy of cancer is, it gives you that - along with palliative symptom meds being very effective these days. But when I say I'd rather prepare for it, I mean in my mid 80's or thereabouts, not when you're a young man with a young family like this poor barstard.
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My wife was diagnosed with grade 3 breast cancer in 2005. My daughter was 8 at the time. With only a 20% survival rate after 5 years I thought we were preparing for the worst. After operations, chemo, radiotherapy, and countless trips to hospitals. Watching my wife go through all of that, I’d take a good old fashioned heart attack any day.
I’m happy to say that 12 years on she’s still fighting the good fight.
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Pleased to hear it
I meant cancer in its terminal phase, not curative treatment like your wife had. As far as that goes, I know it's rough, but if it works it's worth it. When it becomes futile, doctors are generally good at advising people to cut their losses and enjoy what time they've got. A friend of mine got that advice, she spent a week writing letters, recording videos for her grandchildren, planning her funeral etc, put all that stuff in a box in the loft, forgot about it and enjoyed the next 8/9 months as much as she could. A sudden death doesn't give you that.
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It doesn’t. But watching a loved one go through that hell is no fun. My wife was ‘lucky’, my dad wasn’t. The six months it took him to die in the most painful, undignified way imaginable was pretty hard to watch.
I totally respect how you feel, but I wouldn’t want to put my loved ones through that.
posted on 13/11/17
I must know about half a dozen people who had cancer, including my mother, and only one has died of it. Thankfully, not my mother, but her brother wasn't as lucky. Having said that, the majority of the cancer sufferers that I know are/were into old age of 79 plus. Only one that was really young, a friend of mine who was about 20. Thankfully he fully recovered.
Cancer care and treatment seems to have come on leaps and bounds over the past 20 years or so.
Out of all the possible ways to die, from a personal point of view, suicide is the most difficult to understand and come to terms with.
posted on 13/11/17
Guys
This is a great discussion, very cathartic and all that, but Liam is still with us, and with our support and prayers, if you're that way inclined, you never know.
Johnny Hartson was very touched by the love he got from these boards, so let's do the same for Liam, eh.
posted on 14/11/17
Cancer can go fahuck itself.
I hope the treatment works for Liam.
posted on 14/11/17
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 23 hours, 40 minutes ago
And people will still insist that there is a god
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If there is a God he's a sick f*ck with a warped sense of humour, but how could a benevolent "God" allow the world to get to what it is today, baffling thought.
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