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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 17 minutes ago
The Noble Lord Flash
Good article. I have to say I am fairly confident with this set of England players, that they can go deep into Tournaments. They have so many options all over the pitch now. Just a matter of Southgate getting it right. I have been for years down on England, but at long last they look to have some real talent in their ranks.
And frankly I see nothing from a lot of the teams that are supposed to be head and shoulders above England. Brazil last night certainly do not worry me, they were at full strength, and sure they had a few flicks and fancy moves, but you need a lot more than that win tournaments. They are not a patch on the Brazil teams of yesteryear.
I am very, very hopeful, despite all the usual negativity, that England will have a great World Cup.
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Well, 81,382 (more than Spurs Liverpool) at £35-£100 can't be wrong.
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CTP you do seem to be a bit obsessed with crowds at Wembley, and just for the record I could have picked up a ticket for £15 and kids were about a tenner. Not really sure though what a crowd at Wembley has to do with the article though.
I used to get really excited about tournaments and I used to believe england actually stood a chance. From the first tournament I remember (Mexico ‘86) up until Germany ‘06 that was.
I miss getting excited about england and big tournaments but the reality is for be last decade I’ve neither been excited nor confident we are anything other than a very average team.
If the team start (a) looking like they care a little bit or (b) start playing some exciting football then maybe I’ll enjoy international football again. I won’t be holding my breath.
Win anything in my lifetime? Doubt it.
DA or TP This is why I fell in love with Didier the morning after the Overbo match. Because as inappropriate as the behaviour was it was the first time since he come to the club for me, that I knew he genuinely cared.
Gone was his desire to return to Marseille and he was Didier Drogba of Chelsea. Now I believe he’d want us to beat Marseille in the Champions League Final if it came to it.
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Same. I can't recall a more significant example of a Chelsea player being in touch with the fans at one moment in time than that. He was one of us from that point on and never looked back.
Hiddink solidified his cult hero status aswell. Stood firmly behind Drogba's (and the fan's) emotions after the game when so many other managers would've tried to excuse it.
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 19 minutes ago
I used to get really excited about tournaments and I used to believe england actually stood a chance. From the first tournament I remember (Mexico ‘86) up until Germany ‘06 that was.
I miss getting excited about england and big tournaments but the reality is for be last decade I’ve neither been excited nor confident we are anything other than a very average team.
If the team start (a) looking like they care a little bit or (b) start playing some exciting football then maybe I’ll enjoy international football again. I won’t be holding my breath.
Win anything in my lifetime? Doubt it.
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To be fair, it is not so much about the players as the Managers have had now for years. They have mostly been dire and very uninspiring. A new young dynamic manager is needed to get the best out of this current crop of players. I mean who is really going to be inspired by Capello, Hodgson, Big Sam, Southgate, etc.
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 59 minutes ago
DA or TP This is why I fell in love with Didier the morning after the Overbo match. Because as inappropriate as the behaviour was it was the first time since he come to the club for me, that I knew he genuinely cared.
Gone was his desire to return to Marseille and he was Didier Drogba of Chelsea. Now I believe he’d want us to beat Marseille in the Champions League Final if it came to it.
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Same. I can't recall a more significant example of a Chelsea player being in touch with the fans at one moment in time than that. He was one of us from that point on and never looked back.
Hiddink solidified his cult hero status aswell. Stood firmly behind Drogba's (and the fan's) emotions after the game when so many other managers would've tried to excuse it.
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Do you remember him (Hiddink) talking to the fourth official after the game? He had a deep chat with him and i still to this day wonder what he said.
While we are on the topic of Hiddink, his average(ish) second spell seems to have took a bit of nostalgic gloss of the first, which is right up there with Jose mark 1 and Conte for me in terms of the confidence and assurance he brung.
comment by DrogbaLegend11 (U21614)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 59 minutes ago
DA or TP This is why I fell in love with Didier the morning after the Overbo match. Because as inappropriate as the behaviour was it was the first time since he come to the club for me, that I knew he genuinely cared.
Gone was his desire to return to Marseille and he was Didier Drogba of Chelsea. Now I believe he’d want us to beat Marseille in the Champions League Final if it came to it.
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Same. I can't recall a more significant example of a Chelsea player being in touch with the fans at one moment in time than that. He was one of us from that point on and never looked back.
Hiddink solidified his cult hero status aswell. Stood firmly behind Drogba's (and the fan's) emotions after the game when so many other managers would've tried to excuse it.
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Do you remember him (Hiddink) talking to the fourth official after the game? He had a deep chat with him and i still to this day wonder what he said.
While we are on the topic of Hiddink, his average(ish) second spell seems to have took a bit of nostalgic gloss of the first, which is right up there with Jose mark 1 and Conte for me in terms of the confidence and assurance he brung.
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I didn't view that part. I was knackered from the national express trip home, still raw after the whole injustice of the whole thing and only reason i viewed the recording of the match was to see why SSN was all over Drogba.
And i also gained respect for somebody else, which i didn't think at the time was possible.
England won the World Cup on my 21st birthday, honest. Of course they can and will win it again. Sadly not in my life time, because I'm 72.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
England won the World Cup on my 21st birthday, honest. Of course they can and will win it again. Sadly not in my life time, because I'm 72.
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You're talking about the Bobby Charlton era, and 1966.
I was there. And had the good fortune to watch one of the greatest footballers of all time, the Portuguese Eusebio.
Honestly, I think England will win a tournament in my lifetime, not necessarily under Southgate but for the criticism, he's taken he's doing the things correctly IMO.
Doing away with the "cult of the captain", having a few different formations and tactics, not picking players who aren't playing for their clubs, watching Hodgson trying to get Wilshire fit DURING the Euros was just ridiculous, picking the players who best suit his chosen tactics and formation is a positive too.
The hope is the younger players can get PL game time and the next England manager continues the work Southgate is doing, and not sh*ting himself and reverting to the tried and failed methods of other eras.
This OP
It's like Wurzel Gummidge having a vvank - clutching at straws.
But just to prove I'm being kind, I'll give it a
The answer to this depends on where's we can hold another tournament at home and bribe enough people to let us win it, like 66.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
England won the World Cup on my 21st birthday, honest. Of course they can and will win it again. Sadly not in my life time, because I'm 72.
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I was there at Wembley in 1966 as a 17 year old, so if nothing else I have seen England win one world cup.
if you had to say yes or no.......Will England win a Major Tournament in your lifetime?
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My gut feeling is no Flash, I have long lost interest in England since my last visit to Wembley in '72 to see us lose to the Germans, but strangely since the 2 kids teams have reached the summit and possibly with Southgate showing some interesting thinking outside the box compared to what has gone before I am slightly more optimistic than I was.
Overall I still don't think that I will see it again in this lifetime.
If Pakistan national cricket team can win ICC Champions Trophy,then certainly England can win FIFA World Cup.England fans need to be more optimistic as two of English junior teams won FIFA World Cup in their age category and England also reached the final of Euro of another age group.I cannot remember that England won Euro or not though.
We didn't bribe anyone Baz. We had three world class players, Bobby Charlton, Moore and Banks. A good striker at the top of his game, and good players all over the pitch.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 minutes ago
We didn't bribe anyone Baz. We had three world class players, Bobby Charlton, Moore and Banks. A good striker at the top of his game, and good players all over the pitch.
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Dubious World Cup at best. Without mentioning dodgy linesmen.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jul/24/1966-world-cup-final-conspiracy-refereeing-50-years
Baz, I was there, and there was no bribery. Not sure why you think there was. The only thing I will say though is that Pele took a brutal battering during the tournament, and the refs did absolutely nothing about it.
I've read the article previously, being a Guardian reader. Most of it is about poor and cheap organisation. Plus complaints from losing teams. I watched nearly every game, we had the luck to be at home and to play all our games at Wembley. There was nothing dubious about it at all, we had both luck and a really good team, like most winners.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
I've read the article previously, being a Guardian reader. Most of it is about poor and cheap organisation. Plus complaints from losing teams. I watched nearly every game, we had the luck to be at home and to play all our games at Wembley. There was nothing dubious about it at all, we had both luck and a really good team, like most winners.
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Well, the chap organisation may have been by design- playing devils advocate. There were many dodgy episodes in that campaign, taking nothing away from a very good side we had then, but a lot of things came together to give them the chance to win. A lot of luck in the background which could be construed as very fortunate coincidence. Still, it's history, no matter how won.
what always humours me is the fact that no one actually remembers the type of football we played to win the world cup. We go on and on about world class players and creative players but the England 66 team had few ball players, they ditched the flare of JG for 2 grafters in Hurst and Hunt and much of it was based on the muscle of Stiles and Jackie Charlton and the organisation of Bobby Moore. It was a workhorse team with a few ball players much like any other recent England team,
comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)
posted 9 seconds ago
what always humours me is the fact that no one actually remembers the type of football we played to win the world cup. We go on and on about world class players and creative players but the England 66 team had few ball players, they ditched the flare of JG for 2 grafters in Hurst and Hunt and much of it was based on the muscle of Stiles and Jackie Charlton and the organisation of Bobby Moore. It was a workhorse team with a few ball players much like any other recent England team,
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Wurzel's at it again. Who'dda thunk it - a scarecrow having two vvanks within an hour.
Clutching at straws dear boy, clutching at straws.
Do I know you creep, is it gall bladder or someother pisspoorname?
Charlton mainly, but also Ball and Peters provided creativity. Hurst was much more than a grafter and in the form of his life. I liked Jimmy's Greaves, he was a great striker, but hardly a flair player.
Ball was a grafter and Peters used to put spot on passes but more than anything Ramsey created a work ethic. Hurst and Hunt were old fashioned CF and Inside forwards though I will say that Hurst had the speed to get to the line and pull a ball back. Neither however were flare players that teams like Brazil (kicked to death) or Portugal had in the competition.
Through gritted teeth I say that it said in the papers the next day that you won it and we've never stopped hearing about it since.
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posted on 15/11/17
comment by CFC: FFP Champions (U20729)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 17 minutes ago
The Noble Lord Flash
Good article. I have to say I am fairly confident with this set of England players, that they can go deep into Tournaments. They have so many options all over the pitch now. Just a matter of Southgate getting it right. I have been for years down on England, but at long last they look to have some real talent in their ranks.
And frankly I see nothing from a lot of the teams that are supposed to be head and shoulders above England. Brazil last night certainly do not worry me, they were at full strength, and sure they had a few flicks and fancy moves, but you need a lot more than that win tournaments. They are not a patch on the Brazil teams of yesteryear.
I am very, very hopeful, despite all the usual negativity, that England will have a great World Cup.
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Well, 81,382 (more than Spurs Liverpool) at £35-£100 can't be wrong.
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CTP you do seem to be a bit obsessed with crowds at Wembley, and just for the record I could have picked up a ticket for £15 and kids were about a tenner. Not really sure though what a crowd at Wembley has to do with the article though.
posted on 15/11/17
I used to get really excited about tournaments and I used to believe england actually stood a chance. From the first tournament I remember (Mexico ‘86) up until Germany ‘06 that was.
I miss getting excited about england and big tournaments but the reality is for be last decade I’ve neither been excited nor confident we are anything other than a very average team.
If the team start (a) looking like they care a little bit or (b) start playing some exciting football then maybe I’ll enjoy international football again. I won’t be holding my breath.
Win anything in my lifetime? Doubt it.
posted on 15/11/17
DA or TP This is why I fell in love with Didier the morning after the Overbo match. Because as inappropriate as the behaviour was it was the first time since he come to the club for me, that I knew he genuinely cared.
Gone was his desire to return to Marseille and he was Didier Drogba of Chelsea. Now I believe he’d want us to beat Marseille in the Champions League Final if it came to it.
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Same. I can't recall a more significant example of a Chelsea player being in touch with the fans at one moment in time than that. He was one of us from that point on and never looked back.
Hiddink solidified his cult hero status aswell. Stood firmly behind Drogba's (and the fan's) emotions after the game when so many other managers would've tried to excuse it.
posted on 15/11/17
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 19 minutes ago
I used to get really excited about tournaments and I used to believe england actually stood a chance. From the first tournament I remember (Mexico ‘86) up until Germany ‘06 that was.
I miss getting excited about england and big tournaments but the reality is for be last decade I’ve neither been excited nor confident we are anything other than a very average team.
If the team start (a) looking like they care a little bit or (b) start playing some exciting football then maybe I’ll enjoy international football again. I won’t be holding my breath.
Win anything in my lifetime? Doubt it.
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To be fair, it is not so much about the players as the Managers have had now for years. They have mostly been dire and very uninspiring. A new young dynamic manager is needed to get the best out of this current crop of players. I mean who is really going to be inspired by Capello, Hodgson, Big Sam, Southgate, etc.
posted on 15/11/17
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 59 minutes ago
DA or TP This is why I fell in love with Didier the morning after the Overbo match. Because as inappropriate as the behaviour was it was the first time since he come to the club for me, that I knew he genuinely cared.
Gone was his desire to return to Marseille and he was Didier Drogba of Chelsea. Now I believe he’d want us to beat Marseille in the Champions League Final if it came to it.
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Same. I can't recall a more significant example of a Chelsea player being in touch with the fans at one moment in time than that. He was one of us from that point on and never looked back.
Hiddink solidified his cult hero status aswell. Stood firmly behind Drogba's (and the fan's) emotions after the game when so many other managers would've tried to excuse it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you remember him (Hiddink) talking to the fourth official after the game? He had a deep chat with him and i still to this day wonder what he said.
While we are on the topic of Hiddink, his average(ish) second spell seems to have took a bit of nostalgic gloss of the first, which is right up there with Jose mark 1 and Conte for me in terms of the confidence and assurance he brung.
posted on 15/11/17
comment by DrogbaLegend11 (U21614)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 59 minutes ago
DA or TP This is why I fell in love with Didier the morning after the Overbo match. Because as inappropriate as the behaviour was it was the first time since he come to the club for me, that I knew he genuinely cared.
Gone was his desire to return to Marseille and he was Didier Drogba of Chelsea. Now I believe he’d want us to beat Marseille in the Champions League Final if it came to it.
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Same. I can't recall a more significant example of a Chelsea player being in touch with the fans at one moment in time than that. He was one of us from that point on and never looked back.
Hiddink solidified his cult hero status aswell. Stood firmly behind Drogba's (and the fan's) emotions after the game when so many other managers would've tried to excuse it.
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Do you remember him (Hiddink) talking to the fourth official after the game? He had a deep chat with him and i still to this day wonder what he said.
While we are on the topic of Hiddink, his average(ish) second spell seems to have took a bit of nostalgic gloss of the first, which is right up there with Jose mark 1 and Conte for me in terms of the confidence and assurance he brung.
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I didn't view that part. I was knackered from the national express trip home, still raw after the whole injustice of the whole thing and only reason i viewed the recording of the match was to see why SSN was all over Drogba.
And i also gained respect for somebody else, which i didn't think at the time was possible.
posted on 15/11/17
England won the World Cup on my 21st birthday, honest. Of course they can and will win it again. Sadly not in my life time, because I'm 72.
posted on 15/11/17
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
England won the World Cup on my 21st birthday, honest. Of course they can and will win it again. Sadly not in my life time, because I'm 72.
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You're talking about the Bobby Charlton era, and 1966.
I was there. And had the good fortune to watch one of the greatest footballers of all time, the Portuguese Eusebio.
posted on 15/11/17
Honestly, I think England will win a tournament in my lifetime, not necessarily under Southgate but for the criticism, he's taken he's doing the things correctly IMO.
Doing away with the "cult of the captain", having a few different formations and tactics, not picking players who aren't playing for their clubs, watching Hodgson trying to get Wilshire fit DURING the Euros was just ridiculous, picking the players who best suit his chosen tactics and formation is a positive too.
The hope is the younger players can get PL game time and the next England manager continues the work Southgate is doing, and not sh*ting himself and reverting to the tried and failed methods of other eras.
posted on 15/11/17
This OP
It's like Wurzel Gummidge having a vvank - clutching at straws.
But just to prove I'm being kind, I'll give it a
posted on 15/11/17
The answer to this depends on where's we can hold another tournament at home and bribe enough people to let us win it, like 66.
posted on 15/11/17
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
England won the World Cup on my 21st birthday, honest. Of course they can and will win it again. Sadly not in my life time, because I'm 72.
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I was there at Wembley in 1966 as a 17 year old, so if nothing else I have seen England win one world cup.
posted on 15/11/17
if you had to say yes or no.......Will England win a Major Tournament in your lifetime?
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My gut feeling is no Flash, I have long lost interest in England since my last visit to Wembley in '72 to see us lose to the Germans, but strangely since the 2 kids teams have reached the summit and possibly with Southgate showing some interesting thinking outside the box compared to what has gone before I am slightly more optimistic than I was.
Overall I still don't think that I will see it again in this lifetime.
posted on 15/11/17
If Pakistan national cricket team can win ICC Champions Trophy,then certainly England can win FIFA World Cup.England fans need to be more optimistic as two of English junior teams won FIFA World Cup in their age category and England also reached the final of Euro of another age group.I cannot remember that England won Euro or not though.
posted on 15/11/17
We didn't bribe anyone Baz. We had three world class players, Bobby Charlton, Moore and Banks. A good striker at the top of his game, and good players all over the pitch.
posted on 15/11/17
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 minutes ago
We didn't bribe anyone Baz. We had three world class players, Bobby Charlton, Moore and Banks. A good striker at the top of his game, and good players all over the pitch.
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Dubious World Cup at best. Without mentioning dodgy linesmen.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jul/24/1966-world-cup-final-conspiracy-refereeing-50-years
posted on 15/11/17
Baz, I was there, and there was no bribery. Not sure why you think there was. The only thing I will say though is that Pele took a brutal battering during the tournament, and the refs did absolutely nothing about it.
posted on 15/11/17
I've read the article previously, being a Guardian reader. Most of it is about poor and cheap organisation. Plus complaints from losing teams. I watched nearly every game, we had the luck to be at home and to play all our games at Wembley. There was nothing dubious about it at all, we had both luck and a really good team, like most winners.
posted on 15/11/17
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
I've read the article previously, being a Guardian reader. Most of it is about poor and cheap organisation. Plus complaints from losing teams. I watched nearly every game, we had the luck to be at home and to play all our games at Wembley. There was nothing dubious about it at all, we had both luck and a really good team, like most winners.
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Well, the chap organisation may have been by design- playing devils advocate. There were many dodgy episodes in that campaign, taking nothing away from a very good side we had then, but a lot of things came together to give them the chance to win. A lot of luck in the background which could be construed as very fortunate coincidence. Still, it's history, no matter how won.
posted on 15/11/17
what always humours me is the fact that no one actually remembers the type of football we played to win the world cup. We go on and on about world class players and creative players but the England 66 team had few ball players, they ditched the flare of JG for 2 grafters in Hurst and Hunt and much of it was based on the muscle of Stiles and Jackie Charlton and the organisation of Bobby Moore. It was a workhorse team with a few ball players much like any other recent England team,
posted on 15/11/17
comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)
posted 9 seconds ago
what always humours me is the fact that no one actually remembers the type of football we played to win the world cup. We go on and on about world class players and creative players but the England 66 team had few ball players, they ditched the flare of JG for 2 grafters in Hurst and Hunt and much of it was based on the muscle of Stiles and Jackie Charlton and the organisation of Bobby Moore. It was a workhorse team with a few ball players much like any other recent England team,
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Wurzel's at it again. Who'dda thunk it - a scarecrow having two vvanks within an hour.
Clutching at straws dear boy, clutching at straws.
posted on 15/11/17
Do I know you creep, is it gall bladder or someother pisspoorname?
posted on 15/11/17
Charlton mainly, but also Ball and Peters provided creativity. Hurst was much more than a grafter and in the form of his life. I liked Jimmy's Greaves, he was a great striker, but hardly a flair player.
posted on 15/11/17
Ball was a grafter and Peters used to put spot on passes but more than anything Ramsey created a work ethic. Hurst and Hunt were old fashioned CF and Inside forwards though I will say that Hurst had the speed to get to the line and pull a ball back. Neither however were flare players that teams like Brazil (kicked to death) or Portugal had in the competition.
posted on 15/11/17
Through gritted teeth I say that it said in the papers the next day that you won it and we've never stopped hearing about it since.
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