the view on mike tyson , pre and post rooney:
"Mike Tyson changed his boxing style after Kevin Rooney left as his trainer. Tyson was more than a puncher as the youngest heavyweight champion ever. He was a boxer-puncher of appalling speed, hand-speed, constant movement and power, who threw "punches in bunches" with bad intentions while maintaining superb defense. People who never saw him fight, or who never understood boxing in the first place, like Never Was a coach, cannot tell the difference between a volume boxer-puncher, and a single shot headhunter.
Kevin Rooney himself has been very candid about what happened with Mike, and the differences before and after. While he worked with Tyson, from the start of his career up to the Spinks fight, Tyson was trained to be, and was, a volume combination boxer-puncher. Rooney says " he punched fast and hard. That’s a difficult combination to deal with. Especially when those fast punches come in bunches, in good, solid, combinations,"
Rooney goes on to talk about Mike's defense in those days, saying, "he was elusive. The best thing about it was these guys couldn’t hit him. When you can’t hit somebody, that becomes very frustrating. In boxing, I’m trying to hit you, you’re moving your head and I can’t hit you. And I’m like, what the ****. That’s what happened in a lot of Mike’s fights. They couldn’t hit him."
So what changed? Don King and Robin Givens came into Mike Tyson's life, and it all was gone with the wind. Rooney tells what it was like up to Spinks, pre-King, with Mike: "we’d go to a health club at night. Then we’d go do bed. When he was with me there was no partying. There was no, well I worked hard, I’m gonna go have a few drinks and try to pick up a girl. That never happened. Hey Mike, guess what? We got a title to defend and you gotta be in tip-top shape. So that Mike Tyson, if he didn’t cross channels and went with Don King, he would have gone down as the greatest heavyweight in history."
And Robin Givens? Bill Cayton described what her influence was: "Mike was taken to the cleaners by a woman who never loved him, who saw in him an opportunity to become famous – which she did; to make a lot of money – which she did; and to use him. I don’t think she ever loved him for a minute, but he fell for her. I’ve never seen anything like Robin. She got Mike to fire Steve Lott, who had been like a close brother to Mike, but she decided she wanted rid of him so Steve had to go." Between Givens and King, they cleaned out Mike's life of anyone who had worked with him on the way up, and who emphasized that life at the top takes constant work and sacrifice.
King and Givens changed literally everything. Instead of working hard every day, sparring, running, watching film, Mike changed to drugs, drinking, and partying. His boxing style changed with his life style.
Mike, a short, lightning fast boxer with enormous power and incredible handspeed, was always vulnerable to taller rangy fighters who could rotate out and away, and control the fight with a jab. Under Rooney, he neutralized those fighters by being in good enough shape to go the distance, with constant movement, bobbing and weaving, to slip punches, and great defense. After King began and Rooney left, Tyson changed completely. Under Rooney Mike had landed 56 percent of his power punches, which is 15 percentage points higher than the heavyweight average. For instance, against Trevor Berbick, Tyson landed more power punches (46) than the total punches that Berbick threw (43), according to CompuBox. After Rooney, Mike's punch stats showed a complete change, with lesser totals, and lesser accuracy.
Defense also stopped as the party began. Mike went from a boxer-puncher with superb defense to a single shot headhunter, his generations version of Earnie Shavers, looking to put opponents asleep with one shot and go home.
Cayton described in 1992 what happened to Mike after King took over: " With Kevin it was not just the fact that he was a great puncher – it was those great boxing moves he made to get into position to deliver those devastating combinations...but then after Kevin was gone, a completely different fighter, he was not elusive, he didn’t slip punches, he didn’t bob and weave – he lost the skills that had been instilled in him under Kevin Rooney."
Hall of Fame Trainer Eddie Futch assessed the before and after Tyson bluntly: "Under Cus and Rooney Tyson was well conditioned and ready to go all night, lots of gas, great combinations, great defense. Under that parade of clowns King brought in, well, no defense, no conditioning, no combinations, if the knockout doesn't come by six, out of gas."
So yes, Mike Tyson's whole life, and his boxing style, changed after Kevin Rooney.
And those are the real facts!"
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posted on 15/12/19
fury splits with ben davison
will be trained by sugar hull steward (nephew of manny steward)
posted on 15/12/19
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posted on 15/12/19
one day people will stop under estimating Fury and realise how good he actually is. Doesn't even need a trainer, guy is naturally technically brilliant. A full fit fury with his IQ, footwork and technical ability just can not be beat.
posted on 15/12/19
you said the same last fight Guv yet he couldn't knock a still 2 stone ring rusty overweight fury out
posted on 15/12/19
Hearn signs Mikey Garcia for one fight
posted on 15/12/19
Heres my quick take on Tyson Fury and Ben Davison splitting... and in other news Anthony Joshua most likely to face Kubrat Pulev late April/May - it will be Wembley or Spurs (Wembley fave) - and Usyk v Chisora in March
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As expected and very good news! Chisora vs AJ for the belts in the summer
Can't see Usyk lasting even 3 rounds with Del boy, even the journeyman Usyk fought last time nearly knocked him out
posted on 15/1/20
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posted on 15/1/20
the view on mike tyson , pre and post rooney:
"Mike Tyson changed his boxing style after Kevin Rooney left as his trainer. Tyson was more than a puncher as the youngest heavyweight champion ever. He was a boxer-puncher of appalling speed, hand-speed, constant movement and power, who threw "punches in bunches" with bad intentions while maintaining superb defense. People who never saw him fight, or who never understood boxing in the first place, like Never Was a coach, cannot tell the difference between a volume boxer-puncher, and a single shot headhunter.
Kevin Rooney himself has been very candid about what happened with Mike, and the differences before and after. While he worked with Tyson, from the start of his career up to the Spinks fight, Tyson was trained to be, and was, a volume combination boxer-puncher. Rooney says " he punched fast and hard. That’s a difficult combination to deal with. Especially when those fast punches come in bunches, in good, solid, combinations,"
Rooney goes on to talk about Mike's defense in those days, saying, "he was elusive. The best thing about it was these guys couldn’t hit him. When you can’t hit somebody, that becomes very frustrating. In boxing, I’m trying to hit you, you’re moving your head and I can’t hit you. And I’m like, what the ****. That’s what happened in a lot of Mike’s fights. They couldn’t hit him."
So what changed? Don King and Robin Givens came into Mike Tyson's life, and it all was gone with the wind. Rooney tells what it was like up to Spinks, pre-King, with Mike: "we’d go to a health club at night. Then we’d go do bed. When he was with me there was no partying. There was no, well I worked hard, I’m gonna go have a few drinks and try to pick up a girl. That never happened. Hey Mike, guess what? We got a title to defend and you gotta be in tip-top shape. So that Mike Tyson, if he didn’t cross channels and went with Don King, he would have gone down as the greatest heavyweight in history."
And Robin Givens? Bill Cayton described what her influence was: "Mike was taken to the cleaners by a woman who never loved him, who saw in him an opportunity to become famous – which she did; to make a lot of money – which she did; and to use him. I don’t think she ever loved him for a minute, but he fell for her. I’ve never seen anything like Robin. She got Mike to fire Steve Lott, who had been like a close brother to Mike, but she decided she wanted rid of him so Steve had to go." Between Givens and King, they cleaned out Mike's life of anyone who had worked with him on the way up, and who emphasized that life at the top takes constant work and sacrifice.
King and Givens changed literally everything. Instead of working hard every day, sparring, running, watching film, Mike changed to drugs, drinking, and partying. His boxing style changed with his life style.
Mike, a short, lightning fast boxer with enormous power and incredible handspeed, was always vulnerable to taller rangy fighters who could rotate out and away, and control the fight with a jab. Under Rooney, he neutralized those fighters by being in good enough shape to go the distance, with constant movement, bobbing and weaving, to slip punches, and great defense. After King began and Rooney left, Tyson changed completely. Under Rooney Mike had landed 56 percent of his power punches, which is 15 percentage points higher than the heavyweight average. For instance, against Trevor Berbick, Tyson landed more power punches (46) than the total punches that Berbick threw (43), according to CompuBox. After Rooney, Mike's punch stats showed a complete change, with lesser totals, and lesser accuracy.
Defense also stopped as the party began. Mike went from a boxer-puncher with superb defense to a single shot headhunter, his generations version of Earnie Shavers, looking to put opponents asleep with one shot and go home.
Cayton described in 1992 what happened to Mike after King took over: " With Kevin it was not just the fact that he was a great puncher – it was those great boxing moves he made to get into position to deliver those devastating combinations...but then after Kevin was gone, a completely different fighter, he was not elusive, he didn’t slip punches, he didn’t bob and weave – he lost the skills that had been instilled in him under Kevin Rooney."
Hall of Fame Trainer Eddie Futch assessed the before and after Tyson bluntly: "Under Cus and Rooney Tyson was well conditioned and ready to go all night, lots of gas, great combinations, great defense. Under that parade of clowns King brought in, well, no defense, no conditioning, no combinations, if the knockout doesn't come by six, out of gas."
So yes, Mike Tyson's whole life, and his boxing style, changed after Kevin Rooney.
And those are the real facts!"
posted on 15/1/20
Anyone else bored of listening to Fury?
posted on 15/1/20
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posted on 15/1/20
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Anyone else bored of listening to Fury?
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Yep I am. To be honest, I'm bored of listening to all the heavyweights. From AJ and his overly boring philosophical answers to a simple "how are you?" question to Wilder and his mispronunciation of every single word and how he wants there to be one champion of the division but actively avoids fighting the other belt holder. Then Tyson Fury trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes with his mental health issues and how he'll donate his purse to charity then having the nerve to criticise AJ for dancing around the ring for 12 rounds when Fury's whole boxing style is just that. Then you get Dillian Whyte the guy who who is deluded enough to think he draws in big numbers and is a bonafide PPV star and says he'll fight anyone but not anyone really.
posted on 15/1/20
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Anyone else bored of listening to Fury?
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Yep I am. To be honest, I'm bored of listening to all the heavyweights. From AJ and his overly boring philosophical answers to a simple "how are you?" question to Wilder and his mispronunciation of every single word and how he wants there to be one champion of the division but actively avoids fighting the other belt holder. Then Tyson Fury trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes with his mental health issues and how he'll donate his purse to charity then having the nerve to criticise AJ for dancing around the ring for 12 rounds when Fury's whole boxing style is just that. Then you get Dillian Whyte the guy who who is deluded enough to think he draws in big numbers and is a bonafide PPV star and says he'll fight anyone but not anyone really.
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Could not have put it any better
Fury seems to be bringing that WWE nonsense into boxing now. This so called rivalry against Wilder is so fake that i'm losing interest in the fight.
posted on 15/1/20
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posted on 30/1/20
Daniel Dubois v Joe Joyce will be PPV
posted on 30/1/20
Didn't even know that fight had gone ahead. Must have gone well under the radar.
posted on 30/1/20
Sorry it's still a rumour
posted on 30/1/20
Big fight tonight
posted on 30/1/20
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posted on 7/2/20
Now officially confirmed as PPV
posted on 7/2/20
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posted on 7/2/20
How much is it ?
posted on 7/2/20
comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 2 minutes ago
How much is it ?
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£19.95
posted on 1/8/20
Can’t stand this caaaaant who repeats the boxers surnames!
posted on 1/8/20
Socially distanced after fight interview after smashing the fack out of each other for 36 mins in close proximity Lol really can’t make this crap any more ridiculous every rule there is an instant opposite to the rule lol
posted on 1/8/20
It’s like the trainers were masks in the ring but they’re in the changing rooms on the pads without them. Ref gives his instructions in changing room still with no mask but then goes in the ring with mask. Socially distanced seating but then the people in them wear masks.
Can’t touch your face but wear a mask which then makes everyone touch their face or the mask 10 times as much and the others who wear them on their chins or under their nose
It’s like a fackin circus act this corona stuff it’s all a walking contradiction
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