seen as we're looking at isolated incidents, tell me a time where there has been a riot, or racist chants, or stabbings / killings from the supporters of boxing or rugby league...... compare that to football...

so yeah Jonty, that sort of respect mate,

but of course Jonty, like yousaid earlier, its the tribalism that makes football eh?

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago

When you say more respect in these other sports one assumes you’re not talking about the fighting at Pre fight weigh ins, or the biting off of ears, or the stamping on people’s heads in scrums, you know, that sort of respect.

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underlines my point further actually, my point was the supporters of these sports are more respectful to each other despite the rough and tumble in the ring / field.

cheers mate

Just to be clear I love football, still ranks my number 1 in sport.

I just hate all ill-feeling between the clubs, I'm ok with the banter, I find it hilarious when Man United lose for example hahaha, but it seems it goes to far, and people are a bit blinded by it, I'm the first to say if Leeds get beat but the other team scored a wonderful goal to win, I'm first to applaud it "great goal"

There is violence at boxing matches all the time, and when you consider that there are a lot less of them than there are football matches, it undermines your argument.

Here are some examples:

Fatality
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/teenager-injured-crowd-riot-boxing-11348252

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/fans-brawl-copper-box-boxing-10762494

Fatality
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/yobs-fought-as-boxing-fan-died-1194399

The worst I can remember though is where 18 fans were killed and 40 injured when 1500 fans rioted at boxing match in Jakarta.

agree it happens sadly mate...

nothing like football though, again sadly

Jonty yes or no answer mate, and we'll leave it at that..

do you think the supporters of football are more respectful to each other? - more so than other sports? - where the name of the game is sheer contact (boxing / rugby league)

depends on which sports you are comparing with.

lets say Rugby League... where the supporters follow a team / club.... (boxing is an individual thing I guess) - however the play is rough and ready, lots of fighting and falls outs on the field with rugby league?

comment by The Spanish Italians (U21595)
posted 16 minutes ago
Jonty yes or no answer mate, and we'll leave it at that..

do you think the supporters of football are more respectful to each other? - more so than other sports? - where the name of the game is sheer contact (boxing / rugby league)
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Yup Spanish, it is a culture in foota, it is very rare in other sports I agree.

Ok, lets look at Rugby....only been to one match, England France at Twickenham, not a fan of the sport but felt that whilst not the open chanting, many spectators were actually really thuggish.

So it depends on perspectives. As Ive said before yes there is chanting at football, but when push comes to shove, there is respect between fans and you see it all the time. There is however a group of people in society, that regardless of sport or politics, attach themselves to situations where they can take out their bullying violence, be it at football, or part of a gang, or part of a terrorist group.

sorry but that's not really answering it, or it is but its in a way you can't possibly concede somebody else might actually have a point.

football fans, normal guys who work etc etc go to a football match, have a few shandys and behave in a way towards the other team they would't do if they went to the rugby....

I said we'll leave it at that, so I will, I'm a little disappointed you've tried to side step what I meant to be fair mate, oh well... leopard and spots eh.

Spanish, I have been to many rugby matches at club level & if anyone over steps the mark, they are dealt with in a no uncertain manor.

you've asked a question, a very vague question, I've given you an answer, in fact I've given you the same basic answer a number of times.

Just asking the same question again and again hoping you'll eventually get answer you want to hear isn't really how it works.

Kernow, yeah I find it puzzling that football seems to turn some people into this tribal way of thinking... especially as its more or less a none contact sport too haha..

I think a lot is kind of passion, misguided of course with football being such a popular sport, it has a lot more followers therefor has the greatest 'chance' of hooligans maybe?..

I also find that the average football fan is really blinded when their team gets beat, can't be that it was just a great goal or whatever.... in rugby the losing team fans often applaud the winners...

strange really... hey ho... I still love my football (despite being a Leeds fan) hahahaha

omment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 minute ago

you've asked a question, a very vague question, I've given you an answer, in fact I've given you the same basic answer a number of times.

Just asking the same question again and again hoping you'll eventually get answer you want to hear isn't really how it works.

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its cool Jonty

comment by The Spanish Italians (U21595)
posted 1 minute ago
Kernow, yeah I find it puzzling that football seems to turn some people into this tribal way of thinking... especially as its more or less a none contact sport too haha..

I think a lot is kind of passion, misguided of course with football being such a popular sport, it has a lot more followers therefor has the greatest 'chance' of hooligans maybe?..

I also find that the average football fan is really blinded when their team gets beat, can't be that it was just a great goal or whatever.... in rugby the losing team fans often applaud the winners...

strange really... hey ho... I still love my football (despite being a Leeds fan) hahahaha
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Yup it is a culture that is vile. They go to a game & become somebody they are really not. Cos they can get away with it. As to why they don't do it at rugby.

Yup when Billy Sharp scored the 1st against us, on here I posted ' what a great goal ' but the average fan just moan.

See, I dislike to like football but I like it, but I love to love rugby. Does that make sense?

comment by The Spanish Italians (U21595)
posted 8 minutes ago
omment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 minute ago

you've asked a question, a very vague question, I've given you an answer, in fact I've given you the same basic answer a number of times.

Just asking the same question again and again hoping you'll eventually get answer you want to hear isn't really how it works.

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its cool Jonty
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Like a dog with a bone, has to believe he is right, it is so funny. I have turned a new leaf & will not let him wind me up..............well will try anyway

hahaha same as me Kernow, I said 'great goal' when Sharp scored haha... I doubt many others did haha...

its all cool Kernow... think even he knows what he's like hahahahaha....

is that car red? - well, it depends really, that car looks red, but if you closed your eyes, its clearly not... I'm so right... honestly I'm cool with it

This just seems to have turned into an argument for people who need their ego stroked.

Competition isn't a bad thing, and of course there will be competition at football. Sometimes people cross the line, but that happens in every sport. Examples have been cited above of when that has happened.

Don't act better than someone else just because you don't approve of banter between sets of supporters. That is what it should be. As I said, sometimes morons take it too far.

I remember a match not long after Gary Speed's passing, possibly against Sheffield United, and the whole of Elland Road, home and away fans, on their feet chanting his name and applauding for eleven minutes.

Its easy to focus on incidents that support your argument, though, right?

indeed Lubo

I've been to many rugby matches, league and union.

Not saying I haven't seen violence between fans, I have (only in league mind never saw it in union). I've been to some boxing matches too, mainly as a steward, and apart from isolated incidences, not much of a problem there either. Pre-fight conferences are as much about hype and ticket sales, i'm convinced many of the dust ups are pre-ordained to generate interest and box office figures.

I think the key indicator to where trouble is expected is police presence. You get the 7th cavalry and supporting infantry when a local team or millwall/cardiff come to ER. If that police presence wasn't around I think it's fair to say we'd see far more violence than we do now. Some elements just wouldn't be able to resist it.

Thankfully most sports fans are just that, fans. Respect and the ability to chat to opposition fans, have banter with even is 2nd nature.

totally agree VOF

you put it far better than I could ever hahaha, thanks mate

Jonty, (in peace, no beefs from me) - just a note on yesterday's discussion on football supporters behavior.. there was a slight altercation after the Wigan vs Man City game, don;t know if you saw it? - basically, there wasn't any violence I don;t think however a section of the City fans were being troublesome, very unsavory scenes indeed, one fan even ran on provoked Aguero... tapping him on the head and spitting I believe...

thing is, when you see that at football, is it really a big surprise? - never happens in other sports, or very rarely.

just thought I'd add this to the debate brother