Ever seen it labelled at Arsenal fans HC? I haven't. Or in fact any other club but there you go. Maybe I missed it.

Like I said if people want to put #alwaysthevictimsnd the like to LFC fans great. Condone it even. Just banter isn't it really.

It's a common phrase, that some people have contrived to be about Liverpool fans dying.

Like I said, if someone is knowingly doing that, of course they are a prize . But most people will just be using a common phrase.

Like I have been trying to stress. You’re making a mountain out of a molehill. No sane person would use that with reference to hillsborough in mind. If you think I may have, that is your problem and if you think I’m a disgrace so be it. All I know is that phrase can be banded about regarding anything. To me it just seems you’re using it to point score which is just as disgraceful

comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's a common phrase, that some people have contrived to be about Liverpool fans dying.

Like I said, if someone is knowingly doing that, of course they are a prize. But most people will just be using a common phrase.
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Sorry, is that a yes then? You've heard fans singing "always the victims" to Arsenal fans? Did that clubs board also release a statement like Utd asking them not to sing it?

Anyway as already said, repeatedly, I don't think he meant it at first. It's his reaction after that got him the abuse, like the bit where he said he lnew it was about Heysel posted above. Could have just said "didn't know that" just like Edin said.

So now we're moving into singing it? Clearly that would come under the heading of knowingly trying to provoke and beinf a .

My only point is you can't throw your toys out of the pram every time someone says "you also act the victim" - chances are they're just calling you a moaning b-tch and it has nothing what-so-ever to do with any tradegy. I know it would if I said it - my mind simply doesn't work in that nasty, spiteful way some do.

"Could have just said "didn't know that" just like Edin said."

This would have probably been more sensible, in fairness.

Thanks Henrys for ruining what was a good article.

I've not thrown my toys out of the pram and this is a football forum and he directed it at Liverpool fans so that would be the knowingly provoke bit. He's not said it on a film thread has he. It's all in the thread clear as day.

As said, again repeatedly, that I don't think he knew at first. He does now though.

But, again (sigh), if you guys want to say or condone the victim tag towards LFC then great. Carry on, it's your decision.

comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 3 minutes ago
Thanks Henrys for ruining what was a good article.
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Ooookay

Well if you thought I didn’t know why cause such a faux outrage. I will still use it towards LFC fans but never in the context of hillsborough but more towards the way in which they cry like there’s some conspiracy against this ala Suarez Evra and the recent outcry of the spurs game (which I didn’t want to open up again)

Read the thread lad and give your head a wobble

Don’t need to. I stand where I stand, if you’re unclear read my last comment

comment by Robbing_Hoody - sometimes I jump into people and then charge them with assault (U6374)
posted 57 minutes ago
Okay. Anything else today Winston?
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Grow up

Okay Winston. Anything else to add to this thread or are you done?

comment by dangerdog (U20986)
posted 20 minutes ago
Don’t need to. I stand where I stand, if you’re unclear read my last comment
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Cool, so you're standing on the bit where you get to make up what the connotations of the victims tag are then?

Robbing_Hoody - sometimes I jump into people and then charge them with assault (U6374)

I'll add comments where I feel appropriate.

You have decided to ignore credible points made so that you can persist with this childish approach.

Feel free to continue, but I will continue to call you out on it.

"Cool, so you're standing on the bit where you get to make up what the connotations of the victims tag are then?"

Why do you get to decide what he means, but he doesn't?

Is there any reason in particular that you should take such offence to the comment?

comment by Robbing_Hoody - sometimes I jump into people and then charge them with assault (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by dangerdog (U20986)
posted 20 minutes ago
Don’t need to. I stand where I stand, if you’re unclear read my last comment
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Cool, so you're standing on the bit where you get to make up what the connotations of the victims tag are then?
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Pretty much what you’ve been trying to do as well as trying to deflect from the fact you’re using tradegy to point score

No, as I've repeatedly said I'd rather you just didn't use it as it has massive connotations with both tragedies (as you yourself said). It's not hard, no faux outrage, just rather you didn't say it because of its history. Utd don't like it either. They released a statement saying they "deplore" it but they're just not getting the lightening mind and hilarious pastiche of dangerdog and your type either no doubt.

I wouldn't black up anyway but if I did I wouldn't try and spin it as "well actually I'm Fred Dibnah after a hard days work and you've got it all wrong" because that would make me a cvnt.

Like I said, your call. Keep throwing the victim tag at LFC fans after you've said yourself it stems from Heysel. It's great and of course hilarious.

Robbing_Hoody - sometimes I jump into people and then charge them with assault (U6374)

I don't disagree with much of what you say and wouldn't generally use it as a dig myself, my only issue is with the reaction.

Presumably you weren't at Heysel so I'm intrigued at why you are offended by such a comment.

There's a difference between understanding why it's insensitive and being offended by it.

You keep going on about connatations, well if you take the connotation that way, it’s your problem, as I have a clear conscious when using it. You cannot ban someone from using a phrase because you chose to align it with those tradegies.

The Man Utd scenario and statement occurred due to people knowingly saying it with the connotation of Hillsborough which is disgraceful

Your blacking up analogy you keep banging on about has no relevance to this debate. You keep going on about it like it’s somethjng you want to do but can’t


You can keep banging that drum but I’m not going to dance to your beat.

Right so on a football forum, about football, when saying #alwaysthevictim to fans of Liverpool football club it's unreasonable to link the phrase, which every man and his dog knows is about the tragedies (as you said yourself), to those said aspects when it's in the context of football?

This is what you're saying?

Well done for ignoring the reasoned criticism of your point.

Robbing_Hoody, everyone.

comment by dangerdog (U20986)
posted on 20/2/18
comment by Robbing_Hoody - sometimes I jump into people and then charge them with assault (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by dangerdog (U20986)
posted 20 minutes ago
Don’t need to. I stand where I stand, if you’re unclear read my last comment
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Cool, so you're standing on the bit where you get to make up what the connotations of the victims tag are then?
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Pretty much what you’ve been trying to do as well as trying to deflect from the fact you’re using tradegy to point score
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no one is using tragedy to point score here. why do you keep bringing it up?

comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by dangerdog (U20986)
posted on 20/2/18
comment by Robbing_Hoody - sometimes I jump into people and then charge them with assault (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by dangerdog (U20986)
posted 20 minutes ago
Don’t need to. I stand where I stand, if you’re unclear read my last comment
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Cool, so you're standing on the bit where you get to make up what the connotations of the victims tag are then?
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Pretty much what you’ve been trying to do as well as trying to deflect from the fact you’re using tradegy to point score
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no one is using tragedy to point score here. why do you keep bringing it up?
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How sad are you? You've actively gone and found an article from 18 months ago to argue on